Carp

Just a few words on Carp
1 it's a fish that kids cab catch and have a lot of fun with
2 if you do want some fun try fishing them on a light fly rod,,,,,,
couple of short tugs on the fish and they will jump
the bugle bass are not the villians
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As I understand it, all the rainbow (save steelhead) and brown trout
were
brought to this country.
The main native trout were Cuts and Brooks (I know, not really a
trout)
and
the sea run stuff.


Rainbows are native to the western United States.
Including the chars, Cutthroats, Dolly Varden, Lake, Brook trout are
all native to the United States. The Brown trout was introduced from
Europe.

http://www.aps.uoguelph.ca/~aquacent...ons/TROUT.html

The Rainbow Trout was introduced in Arizona in 1898.

http://www.azgfd.gov/h_f/fish_rainbow_trout.shtml


Rainbows are native to the UNITED STATES.
Specifically the northern west coast.
The first state that received a shipment for transplant was New York State
in 1874.
Arizona got theirs in 1898.
I was addressing the incorrect statement that "As I understand it, all the
rainbow (save steelhead) and brown trout
were brought to this country."

MR Ed wrote:
Just a few words on Carp
1 it's a fish that kids cab catch and have a lot of fun with
2 if you do want some fun try fishing them on a light fly rod,,,,,,
couple of short tugs on the fish and they will jump
the bugle bass are not the villians


They are indeed the villains, they will rapidly become 80, or more
percent of the total fish weight in a body of water, never throw one
alive, back into the water, it is our only way to try to control their
numbers, if they survive only 6 months, they are too large for perdation

--
Rodney Long,
Inventor of the Mojo SpecTastic "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread,
Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, and the EZKnot
http://www.ezknot.com

What we need is a marketing effort to make Carp Fishing more attractive.
Yea, the Brits kill me with their Carp Fishing but they have the right idea.
Also come up with away to use all that Carp. Don't tell me that we have no
hungry
people left in this country.


"Rodney Long" wrote in message
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MR Ed wrote:
Just a few words on Carp
1 it's a fish that kids cab catch and have a lot of fun with
2 if you do want some fun try fishing them on a light fly rod,,,,,,
couple of short tugs on the fish and they will jump
the bugle bass are not the villians


They are indeed the villains, they will rapidly become 80, or more
percent of the total fish weight in a body of water, never throw one
alive, back into the water, it is our only way to try to control their
numbers, if they survive only 6 months, they are too large for perdation

--
Rodney Long,
Inventor of the Mojo SpecTastic "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread,
Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, and the EZKnot
http://www.ezknot.com

Fredrick wrote:

What we need is a marketing effort to make Carp Fishing more attractive.
Yea, the Brits kill me with their Carp Fishing but they have the right idea.
Also come up with away to use all that Carp.

The Brits have no native large fish left, you want a fight,, all you
have is the imported carp, as they dominated all their water ways, since
their introduction,, no we should not accept carp,, we should spend to
time to generate a means of eradicating them, if they become a popular
game fish then they won't,, then in another hundred years, the only big
fish we will have will be carp, personally I like big cat fish and strip
much better than carp.

Have you ever ate carp ? I have,, sorry, but I put it at the bottom of
the list according to taste,, so do most americans,, it's nearly unheard
of in stores down south,, maybe up north they sell them, but down here
they are harvested for cat food, and the price is less than a dollar a
pound, (if you can find someone to buy them) hardly worth fishing for
commercially

They do have a few carp "shooting" contest up on the Tennessee river,
these guys take bows, and shoot them, it now takes a bow shooter two
flat bottom boats completely full, and almost sinking, to get even in
the running (they tow another boat behind the shooting boat and fill
them both up), I've heard some of these one day turnies kill a couple
hundred tons of carp, and don't even dent the population in Gunterville
lake. I think that now carp are over 50% of that lake's total fish weight




Don't tell me that we have no
hungry
people left in this country.


"Rodney Long" wrote in message
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MR Ed wrote:

Just a few words on Carp
1 it's a fish that kids cab catch and have a lot of fun with
2 if you do want some fun try fishing them on a light fly rod,,,,,,
couple of short tugs on the fish and they will jump
the bugle bass are not the villians


They are indeed the villains, they will rapidly become 80, or more
percent of the total fish weight in a body of water, never throw one
alive, back into the water, it is our only way to try to control their
numbers, if they survive only 6 months, they are too large for perdation

--
Rodney Long,
Inventor of the Mojo SpecTastic "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread,
Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, and the EZKnot
http://www.ezknot.com





--
Rodney Long,
Inventor of the Mojo SpecTastic "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread,
Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, and the EZKnot
http://www.ezknot.com

Rodney Long wrote:


They do have a few carp "shooting" contest up on the Tennessee river,
these guys take bows, and shoot them, it now takes a bow shooter two
flat bottom boats completely full, and almost sinking, to get even in
the running (they tow another boat behind the shooting boat and fill
them both up), I've heard some of these one day turnies kill a couple
hundred tons of carp, and don't even dent the population in Gunterville
lake. I think that now carp are over 50% of that lake's total fish weight

I just found out that they have changed the rules of those tournaments,,
they got where they could not unload the tons of carp (cats must have
got smart),, now they shoot all they can, but only bring in 5 fish to be
weighed, (the rest fertilizes the lake I guess), and the top weight of
the five fish is judged

--
Rodney Long,
Inventor of the Mojo SpecTastic "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread,
Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, and the EZKnot
http://www.ezknot.com

Rodney Long wrote:
MR Ed wrote:
Just a few words on Carp
1 it's a fish that kids cab catch and have a lot of fun with
2 if you do want some fun try fishing them on a light fly rod,,,,,,
couple of short tugs on the fish and they will jump
the bugle bass are not the villians


They are indeed the villains, they will rapidly become 80, or more
percent of the total fish weight in a body of water, never throw one
alive, back into the water, it is our only way to try to control their
numbers, if they survive only 6 months, they are too large for perdation

Ideally you don't condone wanton waste. Would guess you won't get any
business in Europe where Carp are appreciated.

If you're going to kill Carp, utilize them completely. Your cooking
skills not good enough to eat them? Find someone who can utilize them
(any Asians in your community?)

The reason Carp flourish in the reservoirs is humans who dammed the
reservoirs.

If you want to see the true villain species, just look in the mirror.

It's good to have no limits on non-native Eurasian minnows (Carp, Grass
Carp, Bighead Carp, Silver Carp, Black Carp, and any similar species I
may have forgotten in this list), but in the very least, use them as
fertilizer.

With all the poverty and the bad US economy, there are bound to be
people who would gladly eat Carp rather than starve.

Scoring, pickling, adding lots of spice.

I once caught a large Carp and took it to an Asian family. The husband
and I cleaned the Carp, the wife cooked it and showed me some pointers
on preparation, and it didn't taste bad.

The main problem I have with consuming Carp around where I live is the
Carp might have industrial pollutants from eating the gunk on the
bottom of polluted rivers. Once again, homo sapiens is to blame for my
not harvesting more Carp.

Bighead Carp seem to be the biggest danger to the environment where I
live, so I try not to release any I catch. Unlike Carp, who tend to
eat abundant stuff many native fish wouldn't consume in the first
place, Bighead Carp eat the plankton that are needed by baby fish and
by Paddlefish, thus Bighead Carp (and their close relative the Silver
Carp) destroy the entire food chain.

Terry Lomax wrote:


If you're going to kill Carp, utilize them completely.


To many to use
Your cooking
skills not good enough to eat them?

I've never cooked them,, but have tried them cooked by people who claim
they cook them the best,, and they are still awful
Find someone who can utilize them
(any Asians in your community?)

No one wants them

The reason Carp flourish in the reservoirs is humans who dammed the
reservoirs.

Well everyone claims global warming,, dams produce energy with ZERO
pollution

If you want to see the true villain species, just look in the mirror.

It's good to have no limits on non-native Eurasian minnows (Carp, Grass
Carp, Bighead Carp, Silver Carp, Black Carp, and any similar species I
may have forgotten in this list), but in the very least, use them as
fertilizer.

We do ,, lake fertilizer

With all the poverty and the bad US economy, there are bound to be
people who would gladly eat Carp rather than starve.

What planet do you live on ?? the US economy is the best in the world
and the best it has ever been, find me one story, anywhere, where
someone starved to death in the US, in the last 12 months. It would be
in every news paper in the US.

Scoring, pickling, adding lots of spice.

I once caught a large Carp and took it to an Asian family. The husband
and I cleaned the Carp, the wife cooked it and showed me some pointers
on preparation, and it didn't taste bad.

The main problem I have with consuming Carp around where I live is the
Carp might have industrial pollutants from eating the gunk on the
bottom of polluted rivers. Once again, homo sapiens is to blame for my
not harvesting more Carp.

Bighead Carp seem to be the biggest danger to the environment where I
live, so I try not to release any I catch. Unlike Carp, who tend to
eat abundant stuff many native fish wouldn't consume in the first
place, Bighead Carp eat the plankton that are needed by baby fish and
by Paddlefish, thus Bighead Carp (and their close relative the Silver
Carp) destroy the entire food chain.

So do the common carp, they replace over 80% of all the native fish in a
body of water



--
Rodney Long,
Inventor of the Mojo SpecTastic "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread,
Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, and the EZKnot
http://www.ezknot.com

Rodney Long wrote:

No one wants them

Correction: nobody you know wants them.

The reason Carp flourish in the reservoirs is humans who dammed the
reservoirs.

Well everyone claims global warming,, dams produce energy with ZERO
pollution

Wrong. And the dams have varying water levels which cause the Carp
population highs. When water is high and gets backed up, there's ample
spawning ground. Typical of a hypocrite to bitch about Carp and
condone the dams that allow Carp to flourish. It would be best if dams
were decomissioned. It costs enormous amounts of money to maintain
dams.

Late last year an electric reservoir in Missouri failed, causing
catastrophic damage. This shows hydro dams are unsafe.

Dams also block fish migration, killing off nearly 100% of Salmonoids
in the Pacific Northwest. Hydro dams have killed off most of the
native Paddlefish in the Midwest.

We do ,, lake fertilizer

It's a sin to kill an animal without utilizing it. Perhaps some of the
killed Carp are eaten by turtles or crawdads, but many just rot and
smell and cause bacteria to multiply.

What planet do you live on ?? the US economy is the best in the world
and the best it has ever been, find me one story, anywhere, where
someone starved to death in the US, in the last 12 months. It would be
in every news paper in the US.

The USA has an extremely high rate of malnutrition and starvation. You
Bush apologists create a lot of this by going to war and creating
hundreds of thousands of homeless veterans. In addition, you Bu****es
favor the rich getting richer while the poor get poorer. The US
economy is terrible, with an alltime high of debt. Most Americans have
a negative net worth. Joblessness and underemployment are extremely
high. Most jobs are moved overseas. Why don't you walk down a street
in New Orleans or a similar Gulf city and see how great the conditions
are.

So do the common carp, they replace over 80% of all the native fish in a
body of water

They don't replace anything. You meathogs and murderers of "rough
fish" cause the increase in Carp population by:

1) Being meathogs and keeping large predators such as big Bass and huge
Catfish. Giant Catfish can put a dent in Carp overpopulations, but
most people who fish for Cat keep every Cat they catch. Good Cat
anglers release every Cat over a certain size, knowing the small/medium
Cat taste better and that the key to a good ecosystem is the release of
the top predators.

2) Murdering the biggest predators of Carp. The fish that keep Carp in
line the most are the Gars. Gar are extremely important to the
ecosystem, thinning out rough fish such as Shad and Carp. Gar get big,
so they can eat big rough fish too big for a Bass to eat.
Unfortunately, the same a-holes who murder some Carp also murder every
Gar they see. It's rare to see a bank without the carcasses of Gar who
were thrown on the bank by a-holes. Cracker rednecks often shoot Gar
with guns. Every time a Gar is killed, thousands of Carp and Gizzard
shad survive, and the sick and weak of all species stay alive and use
up oxygen, stunt all the fish, and the gene pool is worsened.

You Republicans also caused Carp overpopulation by killing off nearly
all the birds of prey with DDT, a substance your kind claims isn't
harmful. Were it not for DDT, eagles and hawks would remove a decent
number of Carp. Rednecks also shoot eagles and hawks on a regular
basis.

The main reason Carp "replace" other species is people pollute and
destroy a body of water, so the native species (who tend to be not as
tough as Carp) die out and the few fish that survive include Carp.
Some waters are so polluted, the only species who can survive are Carp,
Bullheads, and Green Sunfish.

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Terry Lomax wrote:


We do ,, lake fertilizer


It's a sin to kill an animal without utilizing it. Perhaps some of the
killed Carp are eaten by turtles or crawdads, but many just rot and
smell and cause bacteria to multiply.

You don't even know the food chain, and how even bacteria is absolutely
necessary in it,, man just open your eyes and look at the salmon run,
where "ALL" of them die at one time in their streams after they spawn


Are you not the very person,, who just posted they killed all big head
carp ? Talk about being a hypocrite,, your talking about yourself,

What planet do you live on ?? the US economy is the best in the world
and the best it has ever been, find me one story, anywhere, where
someone starved to death in the US, in the last 12 months. It would be
in every news paper in the US.


The USA has an extremely high rate of malnutrition and starvation.

I said show me,, you can't !!!!!! total left wing B.S. with no proof
and the rest of this post is not even worth wasting my time on,, all I
can say is get educated instead, of listening to propaganda. The left
wing news media would be all over a "single" person starving to death in
the US. Malnutrition is here, but it is due ""100%"" to people spending
what they have on illegal drugs, instead of feeding their kids, or
themselves, most homeless as well, are there for the same reason, or too
lazy to go out and get a job, wanting the government to support them,,
and guess what, the government does. I have never seen a hungry person
in the US not get a free meal "ANYWHERE", and EVERYWHERE, no one turns
down a person who needs a meal,, and the "I will work for food scam" is
just that, a scam, I watched a guy a few years ago take over 50
donations from motorist, and his girl friend (or wife) picked him up in
a "NEW" camaro, I know she was with him , because he opened the door and
jumped in before the car hardly stopped.

The Other B.S. is just that.

P.S.

You bet I am for the rich, I have never had a poor man, give me a job.
without the rich, we would indeed have starvation, and a ZERO economy

--
Rodney Long,
Inventor of the Mojo SpecTastic "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread,
Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, and the EZKnot
http://www.ezknot.com

"Terry Lomax" wrote in message
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Rodney Long wrote:
MR Ed wrote:
Just a few words on Carp
1 it's a fish that kids cab catch and have a lot of fun with
2 if you do want some fun try fishing them on a light fly rod,,,,,,
couple of short tugs on the fish and they will jump
the bugle bass are not the villians


They are indeed the villains, they will rapidly become 80, or more
percent of the total fish weight in a body of water, never throw one
alive, back into the water, it is our only way to try to control their
numbers, if they survive only 6 months, they are too large for perdation

Ideally you don't condone wanton waste. Would guess you won't get any
business in Europe where Carp are appreciated.

If you're going to kill Carp, utilize them completely. Your cooking
skills not good enough to eat them? Find someone who can utilize them
(any Asians in your community?)


Yea, the Chinese eat carp. Probably tastes good too.
But, the people who I run into specifically fishing for carp
are almost always eastern Europeans,...Yugoslavians, Hungarians, etc.
Last time I fished for carp (just for kicks) I had thes people come up
to me and ask me if they could have the fish if I wasn't keeping it. Be my
guest.
Plus, a good Jewish Grandmother will turn a carp into gefilte fish.
I've also heard from alot of people that carp is actually good when smoked.
This I believe since smoking seems to make otherwise not-so-tasty fish
pretty edible. Those who adovacte eating carp tell me that carp caught in
winter are the best because they don't taste as muddy as in the warmer
months.
This makes perfect sense but I don't think I've ever seen a carp in
wintertime.
The same folks tell me that a carp should be kept alive in a bucket of water
for
a few days to get the "muddiness" taste out of the fish.
Anyway, I do think that we don't utilize the carp as much as we probably can
since
it's an important food fish in many parts of the world, even farmed in some
places.
I also think there is an incredible prejudice against this fish, apart from
the valid scientific
reasons as to why we ought to get rid of them.