Whittington update

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/02/...ney/index.html


"Dr. David Blanchard...said a roughly 5 mm piece of shot became lodged in or
alongside Whittington's heart muscle..."

5 mm.

5 mm?

Everything is bigger in Texas, I've heard. Y'all got some KICKASS quail
down there!

Wolfgang
somewhere in the land where buckshot doesn't usually come out until
something truly fierce......like squirrels or bunnies.......does.

"Wolfgang" wrote in message
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http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/02/...ney/index.html


"Dr. David Blanchard...said a roughly 5 mm piece of shot became lodged in
or alongside Whittington's heart muscle..."

5 mm.

5 mm?

Everything is bigger in Texas, I've heard. Y'all got some KICKASS quail
down there!

Wolfgang
somewhere in the land where buckshot doesn't usually come out until
something truly fierce......like squirrels or bunnies.......does.




didn't they used to use those kinds of shotguns to hunt ducks on Chesapeake
Bay? I'm surprised Cheney could lift one.....

john

On Wed, 15 Feb 2006 05:37:05 GMT, "asadi"
wrote:


didn't they used to use those kinds of shotguns to hunt ducks on Chesapeake
Bay? I'm surprised Cheney could lift one.....

Cheney uses a 28 gauge which is on the small side and he's an
excellent shot.

s.t.w

On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 17:35:47 -0600, "Wolfgang" wrote:

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/02/...ney/index.html


"Dr. David Blanchard...said a roughly 5 mm piece of shot became lodged in or
alongside Whittington's heart muscle..."

5 mm.

5 mm?

Everything is bigger in Texas, I've heard. Y'all got some KICKASS quail
down there!

Wolfgang
somewhere in the land where buckshot doesn't usually come out until
something truly fierce......like squirrels or bunnies.......does.

Interesting. If Blanchard actually said that, I'd wonder if it isn't
two pellets (5 mm would be about 2 7 1/2s).

And 5mm wouldn't be buckshot, it'd be more like a BB or BBB...I figured
a old Daisy hand such as yerself would know that...have you ever even
seen a Sheridan Blue/Silver Streak?

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On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 17:35:47 -0600, "Wolfgang" wrote:

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/02/...ney/index.html


"Dr. David Blanchard...said a roughly 5 mm piece of shot became lodged in
or
alongside Whittington's heart muscle..."

5 mm.

5 mm?

Everything is bigger in Texas, I've heard. Y'all got some KICKASS quail
down there!

Wolfgang
somewhere in the land where buckshot doesn't usually come out until
something truly fierce......like squirrels or bunnies.......does.


Interesting. If Blanchard actually said that, I'd wonder if it isn't
two pellets (5 mm would be about 2 7 1/2s).

And 5mm wouldn't be buckshot, it'd be more like a BB or BBB...I figured
a old Daisy hand such as yerself would know that...have you ever even
seen a Sheridan Blue/Silver Streak?

Interesting.....or not very.....if you actually said that.

Wolfgang

"Sum Ting Wong" wrote in message
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On Wed, 15 Feb 2006 05:37:05 GMT, "asadi"
wrote:


didn't they used to use those kinds of shotguns to hunt ducks on
Chesapeake
Bay? I'm surprised Cheney could lift one.....

Cheney uses a 28 gauge which is on the small side and he's an
excellent shot.

s.t.w

Good thing for Whittington!

(Does this mean you think he meant to shoot him?)

Jim Ray

"John Hightower" wrote in
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Maybe the doctor doesn't know his mm from his elbows.

jh




The doctor must be looking at an xray shadow. It could be two shot very
close together, or just some weird shadow.

The technology is good, but push comes to shove, you're just looking at a
shadow.

--
Scott
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"John Hightower" wrote in message
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...Maybe the doctor doesn't know his mm from his elbows.

Could be. Metric hearts are still not widely available in the U.S.......the
hemostats, sutures, scalpels and whatnot don't fit very well.

Wolfgang

On Wed, 15 Feb 2006 09:32:19 -0700, "John Hightower"
wrote:




Interesting. If Blanchard actually said that, I'd wonder if it isn't
two pellets (5 mm would be about 2 7 1/2s).

And 5mm wouldn't be buckshot, it'd be more like a BB or BBB...I figured
a old Daisy hand such as yerself would know that...have you ever even
seen a Sheridan Blue/Silver Streak?


Looks like BB = 4.57 mm; BBB = 4.83 mm; T = 5.08 mm I think the BBB and T
are pretty much a steel shot designation- don't know about bismuth,
hevi-shot, hevi-steel, etc. Just a quick look at Federal, Remington, and
Winchester ammunition- I couldn't find that they manufacture anything for a
28 gauge bigger than #6 (2.77 mm); and no steel loads for a 28. Also, I
think for quail no one uses shot heavier than #6 do they?

If I caught someone with steel shot 28 ga. loads in the general vicinity
of any of my guns, we'd shortly have a definite answer to the question,
"hey, which one of them sumbitches you think's gonna win that fight?"

As to what "they" might use, I have no idea, but I'd say 7 1/2 is about
right as a general rule, giving humane killing without blasting the bird
into, um, quailburger, and with 8-9 or 6 used depending on the birds,
the feathering, the shooter, etc., but yeah, 6's are about as large as
_I'd_ go.

Maybe the doctor doesn't know his mm from his elbows.

And just because someone said the doctor said whatever doesn't mean
that the doctor actually did say whatever.

TC,
R

On Wed, 15 Feb 2006 11:41:14 -0700, "John Hightower"
wrote:

From the USA Today article Willi referenced they indicate that they were
using #7-1/2's which seems right- so maybe they are looking at a cluster of
two or more pellets or a really deformed pellet.

I doubt it would be a single deformed pellet. Given that there's all
sorts of misreporting out there - reports vary from 6 to 200 pellets,
for example - I'm leaning toward either the doctor giving lay people a
general measurement, not realizing that his "ballpark" number would be
picked apart on ROFF, or a misreported number is being recycled.

Either way, I merely found it interesting, and it mainly caught my eye
because it happened to be _5_ mm, which is a fairly common air rifle
pellet size - the aforementioned Sheridan, for example - and roughly the
"tweener" size between a .177/BB and .22 (sort of like a 16 ga is to the
12 and 20). Knowing instinctively that 5mm is larger than a BB, and a
BB is roughly twice the size of either a 7 1/2 or 6, it seemed obvious
to me that _something_ was inaccurate.

But at this point, I don't think the diameter of the pellet(s) is/are
particularly important.

TC,
R