Carp

Richard Eklund wrote:


Yes they tend to disturb the bottom while feeding but found they would
survive in waters that would not support a lot of other more desirable fish.


Carp "make" the waters so the more desirable fish can't survive

Carp sure kept my interest in fishing as a kid in NY who had only a bicycle
to get anywhere. Everything has its place.

I AGREE 1000%,, carp's place is Asia


--
Rodney Long,
Inventor of the Mojo SpecTastic "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread,
Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, and the EZKnot
http://www.ezknot.com

I do agee that carp do tend disturb the bottom
of a lake,pond or river,when they feed on the
roots of aquatic plants. That tend to make the
water muddy.
I don't eat carp here,in the U.S.,I usually
kill the carp and feed the rest of wildlife on their
bodies. Also I seen people who use jugs for
going after large catfish,used small to meduim
sized carp for bait.
That is all that they are good for. Other than
than colored varieties known as Koi,for the pet
trade. And food for the otters,raccoons and
minks along the shores of our waterways.

Trouter

"Rodney Long" wrote in message
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Richard Eklund wrote:


Yes they tend to disturb the bottom while feeding but found they would
survive in waters that would not support a lot of other more desirable
fish.


Carp "make" the waters so the more desirable fish can't survive

Carp sure kept my interest in fishing as a kid in NY who had only a
bicycle
to get anywhere. Everything has its place.

I AGREE 1000%,, carp's place is Asia


Wrong.
Carp are native to Europe and Asia.
The carp we are stuck with here in the U.S. came from Europe.
I've seen whole carp being sold in Paris fishmarkets.

Harold wrote:


Wrong.
Carp are native to Europe and Asia.
The carp we are stuck with here in the U.S. came from Europe.
I've seen whole carp being sold in Paris fishmarkets.

WRONG !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Carp were introduced to Europe, from Asia, about 500 years ago
--
Rodney Long,
Inventor of the Mojo SpecTastic "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread,
Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, and the EZKnot
http://www.ezknot.com

"Rodney Long" wrote in message
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Harold wrote:


Wrong.
Carp are native to Europe and Asia.
The carp we are stuck with here in the U.S. came from Europe.
I've seen whole carp being sold in Paris fishmarkets.

WRONG !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Carp were introduced to Europe, from Asia, about 500 years ago
--
Rodney Long

WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Common Carp originated in CENTRAL ASIA (That's between Asia and Europe)
and spread East to Asia and West to Europe.

"Central Asia is the original home of the carp. They spread eastward to
China and Japan,
and westward into Europe by way of Greece and Rome."

http://www.cnykoi.com/history/main.asp

Harold wrote:



WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Common Carp originated in CENTRAL ASIA (That's between Asia and Europe)
and spread East to Asia and West to Europe.


It spread through man, placing it in the waters




"Central Asia is the original home of the carp. They spread eastward to
China and Japan,
and westward into Europe by way of Greece and Rome."

By "man" introducing it

"Carp originated in China and spread throughout Asia and Europe as an
ornamental and aquaculture species."

http://www.affa.gov.au/content/outpu...EC2BF6E44EB30B



--
Rodney Long,
Inventor of the Mojo SpecTastic "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread,
Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, and the EZKnot
http://www.ezknot.com

"Rodney Long" wrote in message
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Harold wrote:



WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Common Carp originated in CENTRAL ASIA (That's between Asia and Europe)
and spread East to Asia and West to Europe.


It spread through man, placing it in the waters




"Central Asia is the original home of the carp. They spread eastward to
China and Japan,
and westward into Europe by way of Greece and Rome."

By "man" introducing it

"Carp originated in China and spread throughout Asia and Europe as an
ornamental and aquaculture species."


http://www.affa.gov.au/content/outpu...EC2BF6E44EB30B


Looks like we finally agree on one thing. Yes, we humans are the ones who
introduced this fish
all over the world. They reproduce in mass numbers, eat just about anything
on the bottom, can live
in muddy oxygen poor waters, and can provide lots of cheap protein.
But obviously, an over abundance of them is a serious threat to both native
species
and habitat. In truth rather than hating the carp we ought to be hating the
idiot who brought them
over in the first place.
We live in a world where lunatics (like PETA) are trying to elimate fishing
alltogether, calling
those of us who fish "killers".
Advocating the killing of every carp you catch like it's some sort of a
crusade simply provides fuel
for these lunatics. The state DNRs have a responsibility to manage the
populations and distributions.
If they deem it necessary to kill everything in a body of water to contain
any given species then so be it.
As a hunter I wouldn't even think of shooting anything that I wasn't going
to eat. As a fisherman, I don't
believe killing fish I catch, especially mutilating them to vent my anger in
some errant direction does much
to help anyone. If States ran programs where you could bring in your carp
catch to any fishing license vendor
and the state paid a reward, per pound, per fish, whatever, this would help
immesely.

The common carp is in fact an edible food fish and we Americans have a very
serious problem with
prejudice towards certain species. Until 15 years ago we weren't even eating
monkfish, simply tossing them
away as a "trash fish" not knowing that it's a prized food fish in Europe.
Eventually the same thing will happen
to the Sea Robin.The prejudice we have towards the common carp is frankly,
absurd.
As responsible fishermen who care about our native species and habitants we
should be encouraging the use
of carp as a resouce. This, more than anything else can reduce their numbers
to the point of decimation.
Declaring that "Carp tastes like crap" and has no value at all, when this
fish is used and sold as food throughout
the world simply displays our degree of naivitee and ignorance.

Even with scientific data supporting controlling their population, the carp
itself is not as "alien" as you may think.
Take a good look at the bigmouth and smallmouth buffaloes. Just put two
barbels on their mouths. The
North American continent has never been "free" of the carp family as these
native fish, and suckers
and numerous minnows prove.

So yes, we humans spread this fish all over the world. And where they have
become a nuisance, we humans need
to find ways to eliminate them or reduce their numbers....without helping
the Peta retards.
But that's got nothing to do with hating the fish or denying their value as
a food resource.
And it's also got nothing to do with denying their value as a sport fish,
since England and most of Europe considers
them a sport fish and any one of us who has hooked one, either intentionally
or not can attest.

Harold wrote:

As a hunter I wouldn't even think of shooting anything that I wasn't going
to eat. As a fisherman, I don't
believe killing fish I catch, especially mutilating them to vent my anger in
some errant direction does much
to help anyone. If States ran programs where you could bring in your carp
catch to any fishing license vendor
and the state paid a reward, per pound, per fish, whatever, this would help
immesely.


I'm a varmint hunter as well as other game, I have no problems
controlling the numbers of varmints,, or carp. I eat all the game
animals I kill except the vermin. When I kill other game fish, or harm
them so I know they won't survive if released, they also go in the
frying pan, but not carp. There are many introduced species that "need"
to be killed, both fish and land animals. I have no problem dispatching
them, just like emptying a mouse trap I set. Sorry but it is man's
place, to control the number of animals, sometimes these animals can't
be utilized by man, like he toads taking over down under, and the rabbit
problem they have down there.

PETA can go screw themselves, we can not give into their for food only
approach,, as this is just the start, then they go the whole 9 yds, not
kill anything. for any reason, (including rats, and cock roaches) as
this is what they actually want, and believe in. If you fall for part,
it won't take them long to get you to fall for it all. They go one step
at a time.

Obey the game laws of your state, they know better than anyone else
(in most cases). If a person obeys the game laws, I have no problem with
anything they do with in that law. If you don't like the law,, then get
it changed

--
Rodney Long,
Inventor of the Mojo SpecTastic "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread,
Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, and the EZKnot
http://www.ezknot.com

"Harold" wrote in message
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Even with scientific data supporting controlling their population, the
carp
itself is not as "alien" as you may think.
Take a good look at the bigmouth and smallmouth buffaloes. Just put two
barbels on their mouths.

sheepshead / Drum / buffalo are not closely related to carp.

Goldfish are closer to carp. (they crossbreed)