The Sport of Carp Fishing

Supporting:
"That *would* be a fun catch on 6lb line. Most spots i go to the carp are
70-100cm+. Killing them is a civic duty.
Yes, if it was spent on rotenone to kill them."

Is cruel brutal and simply stupid. Will you take your children to a lake and
teach them "to cut their stinking heads off then let them go."?

There is a big chance carp is more native in the USA then most of you guys.
And is here to stay. Killing animals just to show off is sensless and it is
against animal crualty law. I cant believe no one said anything against "to
cut their stinking heads off then let them go." How many years must pass
until carp will become "native" according to you?

Do you also support killing other species as well which may be a threat to
bass? I heard people killing gar, pike, muskie...

I hope I will at least make you thinking.
"E." wrote in message
...
Rodney Long wrote:
greg wrote:

As soon as carp become a "game fish", you can start to write off all
native fish, the damage to the water, and habitat, to native fish, that
carp cause, is well known, trying to control their numbers, by killing
every carp caught, is the only thing that helps keep them in check, some
DNR's have poisoned whole bodies of water killing everything , just to
get the carp out, then restocking native fish. When carp become a game
fish, they will start putting limits on them, and IDIOTS will start C&R
them, it won't take long, and they will become at least 80% of a body of
water's fish bio-mass. actually they are doing this now, with no
protection. This is a "PROVEN" FACT !!!!!!!!!!!

We have the same problem here with spotty carp, AKA trout, which are about
the only large fish left in upland waterways. The original inhabitants
have been outstocked, then outbred by trout.
Suggestions of making some streams trout-free to give natives a chance is
met by howls of derision. I hope the same situation never occurs with
carp.

Another solution, is there becoming a commercial market for them, netting
them in huge numbers.

They actually make good fertiliser and are caught with this purpose in
mind in some places.
Netting is largely out of the question due to greenie policies.
Cheers,
E.

Greg, please go to www.rofb.org and read the charter, FAQ, and posting
guidelines for this group and stop off topic cross posting!

You are more than welcome to join into and contribute to rofb with on
topic posts.

On Mon, 20 Mar 2006 07:21:43 -0500, "greg" sent
into the ether:

Supporting:
"That *would* be a fun catch on 6lb line. Most spots i go to the carp are
70-100cm+. Killing them is a civic duty.
Yes, if it was spent on rotenone to kill them."

Is cruel brutal and simply stupid. Will you take your children to a lake and
teach them "to cut their stinking heads off then let them go."?

There is a big chance carp is more native in the USA then most of you guys.
And is here to stay. Killing animals just to show off is sensless and it is
against animal crualty law. I cant believe no one said anything against "to
cut their stinking heads off then let them go." How many years must pass
until carp will become "native" according to you?

Do you also support killing other species as well which may be a threat to
bass? I heard people killing gar, pike, muskie...

I hope I will at least make you thinking.
"E." wrote in message
...
Rodney Long wrote:
greg wrote:

As soon as carp become a "game fish", you can start to write off all
native fish, the damage to the water, and habitat, to native fish, that
carp cause, is well known, trying to control their numbers, by killing
every carp caught, is the only thing that helps keep them in check, some
DNR's have poisoned whole bodies of water killing everything , just to
get the carp out, then restocking native fish. When carp become a game
fish, they will start putting limits on them, and IDIOTS will start C&R
them, it won't take long, and they will become at least 80% of a body of
water's fish bio-mass. actually they are doing this now, with no
protection. This is a "PROVEN" FACT !!!!!!!!!!!

We have the same problem here with spotty carp, AKA trout, which are about
the only large fish left in upland waterways. The original inhabitants
have been outstocked, then outbred by trout.
Suggestions of making some streams trout-free to give natives a chance is
met by howls of derision. I hope the same situation never occurs with
carp.

Another solution, is there becoming a commercial market for them, netting
them in huge numbers.

They actually make good fertiliser and are caught with this purpose in
mind in some places.
Netting is largely out of the question due to greenie policies.
Cheers,
E.





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greg wrote:

Supporting:
"That *would* be a fun catch on 6lb line. Most spots i go to the carp are
70-100cm+. Killing them is a civic duty.
Yes, if it was spent on rotenone to kill them."

Is cruel brutal and simply stupid. Will you take your children to a lake and
teach them "to cut their stinking heads off then let them go."?

In a heart beat, and it's brilliant, not stupid, would do the same for
snake heads, and all those other carp that are now taking over. It's
called PEST CONTROL, no different than killing rats, as carp are the
rats of the water. I guess you think it's cruel to set a mouse trap in
your house ? Do you teach your kids that roaches are nice and should
never be killed ?

I'm a person who will remove a rattle snake from my property without
harming it, because they control the rats, they have a place here, they
are native, plus they are just fun to catch unharmed

There is a big chance carp is more native in the USA then most of you guys.
And is here to stay. Killing animals just to show off is sensless and it is
against animal crualty law. I cant believe no one said anything against "to
cut their stinking heads off then let them go." How many years must pass
until carp will become "native" according to you?

NEVER !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

and just not me, but the biologist feel the same way, the guys who
actually know, they don't let their beliefs get in the way of the facts.

In some places carp, are the only fish in the water, in many more areas
carp are over 80% of the fish Bio-mass. They had to displaced all the
native species, to get there.

Do you also support killing other species as well which may be a threat to
bass? I heard people killing gar, pike, muskie...

Non native fish, are the only ones we take out, those listed eat bass,
that improves the bass size and quality, taking out numbers that
actually need to be, to keep bass from over populating, and being
stunted, carp keep bass from spawning, eliminating them, carp also
disrupt the native food chain for bass, and other species

I hope I will at least make you thinking.

Yep, that I must now target more carp, because Stupid people like you
are C&R them, and teaching other to do it. I'm all for people catching
carp for fun,, JUST KILL THEM, there is absolutely no reason for C&R of
carp, their numbers are HUGE, and getting bigger. You release a 30 lb
female carp, and you just put half a million more carp in the water next
year. People like you, want us, to give up on all other fishing, just
like you have. It's not going to happen, without a fight.




--
Rodney Long,
Inventor of the Mojo SpecTastic "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread,
Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, and the EZKnot
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greg wrote:

Supporting:
"That *would* be a fun catch on 6lb line. Most spots i go to the carp are
70-100cm+. Killing them is a civic duty.
Yes, if it was spent on rotenone to kill them."

Is cruel brutal and simply stupid. Will you take your children to a lake and
teach them "to cut their stinking heads off then let them go."?

Yes. I'd also teach them *why*, i.e. they are a pest. While i'm at it
I'd teach them correct handling and release techniques for natives.

There is a big chance carp is more native in the USA then most of you guys.

As I'm not in the US I will never 'become' a US native. Any exotic
species can *never* become native. It can become dominant or established.

And is here to stay. Killing animals just to show off is sensless and it is
against animal crualty law.

No it isn't. 1 quick smack thru the spine with a tomahawk is quick,
clean and efficient. And it's not a matter of showing off.

I cant believe no one said anything against "to
cut their stinking heads off then let them go." How many years must pass
until carp will become "native" according to you?

They will never be native. They are also a pest. Also feral cats, dogs,
horses, foxes, goats, camels, pigs, rabbits, cane toads, mynahs and
starlings belong on that list.

Do you also support killing other species as well which may be a threat to
bass? I heard people killing gar, pike, muskie...

As already stated, I don't target bass. I target carp/trout exclusively
during native closed season as even a properly handled CnR native will
reabsorp it's eggs if caught during breeding season. Also carp hoover up
the natives eggs, so the less carp in a particular waterway, the better.

I hope I will at least make you thinking.
Carp do not belong in our waters. They do no good whatsoever, and should
be eradicated. Full eradication is unfortunately next to impossible.
This is why it is a crime here to return a carp to the water once caught.
E.

"E." wrote in message
...
Carp do not belong in our waters. They do no good whatsoever, and should
be eradicated. Full eradication is unfortunately next to impossible.
This is why it is a crime here to return a carp to the water once caught.
E.


counterpoint:
Carp in Australia do not have the reputation that they do in Europe. In fact
they are positively hated in many areas. A lot of misinformation has created
this situation. The Carp has become a scape goat, bad farming and irrigation
practises have increased salt levels and nutrient levels poisoning the land
and subsequently the waterways. The Carp is blamed for...Muddying the
water...undermining the banks.... killing all the weed....killing the native
species.... causing trees to fall in the waterways. The list of its
diabolical actions is legion but at the end of the day man is to blame for
the problem.

That said...it must be pointed out that there were and still are areas that
suffer from what amounts to be infestation. Huge numbers of Carp have at
times congregated in waterways that do not have a hope of supporting the
biomass. Unfortunately these gatherings have been interpreted as breeding,
the chances are that the majority of these fish perished in a fight for
survival. Native species like Murray Cod are in some areas making a come
back. They are using the Carp as a food source.......Don't you just love
mother nature.....she'll be right....given time!!!!

http://www.coarsefishing.ws/carpage.htm

Harold wrote:

Don't you just love mother nature....she'll be right....given time.
=======
YEP.....and us humans better take better care in understanding that...or
we won't be around to wittness her awesome power!

John K

Harold wrote:
"E." wrote in message
...

Carp do not belong in our waters. They do no good whatsoever, and should
be eradicated. Full eradication is unfortunately next to impossible.
This is why it is a crime here to return a carp to the water once caught.
E.



counterpoint:
Carp in Australia do not have the reputation that they do in Europe. In fact
they are positively hated in many areas. A lot of misinformation has created
this situation.

A lot of accurate information has created this situation.

The Carp has become a scape goat, bad farming and irrigation
practises have increased salt levels and nutrient levels poisoning the land
and subsequently the waterways.

In some areas this is true.

The Carp is blamed for...Muddying the
water...
They do cause this.

undermining the banks.... killing all the weed....

Are you making this up?

killing the native species....

Carp aren't really a predator in the classic sense. They do eat native
fish eggs. The young (billions of them) hatch before natives, and eat
all the tiny aquatic food that baby native fish require.

causing trees to fall in the waterways.

Ok you *are* making this up.

The list of its
diabolical actions is legion but at the end of the day man is to blame for
the problem.

Yes. Man introduced carp and a lot of other exotic species which bacame
pests.

That said...it must be pointed out that there were and still are areas that
suffer from what amounts to be infestation. Huge numbers of Carp have at
times congregated in waterways that do not have a hope of supporting the
biomass.

English perch are the same.

Unfortunately these gatherings have been interpreted as breeding,
the chances are that the majority of these fish perished in a fight for
survival. Native species like Murray Cod are in some areas making a come
back.

They are coming back mainly to maintaining minimum river flows for
ecologocal sustainability, removal of pests such as carp, restocking,
replanting river banks with approprait, removing pest plants such as
willows, bag and size limits, CnR fishing and education.

They are using the Carp as a food source.......Don't you just love
mother nature.....she'll be right....given time!!!!

....and man fixing his mistakes by killing the carp.
E.

QUIT CROSS_POSTING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


"E." wrote in message
...
Harold wrote:
"E." wrote in message
...

Carp do not belong in our waters. They do no good whatsoever, and should
be eradicated. Full eradication is unfortunately next to impossible.
This is why it is a crime here to return a carp to the water once caught.
E.



counterpoint:
Carp in Australia do not have the reputation that they do in Europe. In
fact
they are positively hated in many areas. A lot of misinformation has
created
this situation.

A lot of accurate information has created this situation.

The Carp has become a scape goat, bad farming and irrigation
practises have increased salt levels and nutrient levels poisoning the
land
and subsequently the waterways.

In some areas this is true.

The Carp is blamed for...Muddying the
water...
They do cause this.

undermining the banks.... killing all the weed....

Are you making this up?

killing the native species....

Carp aren't really a predator in the classic sense. They do eat native
fish eggs. The young (billions of them) hatch before natives, and eat all
the tiny aquatic food that baby native fish require.

causing trees to fall in the waterways.

Ok you *are* making this up.

The list of its
diabolical actions is legion but at the end of the day man is to blame
for
the problem.

Yes. Man introduced carp and a lot of other exotic species which bacame
pests.

That said...it must be pointed out that there were and still are areas
that
suffer from what amounts to be infestation. Huge numbers of Carp have at
times congregated in waterways that do not have a hope of supporting the
biomass.

English perch are the same.

Unfortunately these gatherings have been interpreted as breeding,
the chances are that the majority of these fish perished in a fight for
survival. Native species like Murray Cod are in some areas making a come
back.

They are coming back mainly to maintaining minimum river flows for
ecologocal sustainability, removal of pests such as carp, restocking,
replanting river banks with approprait, removing pest plants such as
willows, bag and size limits, CnR fishing and education.

They are using the Carp as a food source.......Don't you just love
mother nature.....she'll be right....given time!!!!

...and man fixing his mistakes by killing the carp.
E.

On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 14:06:03 +1100, "E." sent into
the ether:

Harold wrote:
"E." wrote in message
...

Carp do not belong in our waters. They do no good whatsoever, and should
be eradicated. Full eradication is unfortunately next to impossible.
This is why it is a crime here to return a carp to the water once caught.
E.
Snipped garbage

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