feathers and tying flys with them

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riverman wrote:
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WTF are you thinking? What are the top 10 flies for trout? I bet the
prince nymph is one. Its main components are brown goose biots and
white goose biots.


Hmm....top ten trout flies. Hard to enumerate, since there are several
versions of upwing drys that might qualify separately. Nontheless, my
thoughts, close to being in order, for the top 10 fish-catchers worldwide
a

Wolly bugger
GRHE
EHC
PT
Wolly worm
Adams
Parachute
Muddler minnow
Copper John
Some type of ant

Prince nymph is down around #15 or 20, in my book.

The Copper John uses goose biots as well. I believe that it is now, or
recently was, Umpqua's #1 selling fly.


Most I've seen look more like this:
http://www.danica.com/FLYTIER/jwoola...opper_john.htm

but I don't doubt that the original had biots.

--riverman

riverman wrote:
"rw" wrote in message
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riverman wrote:

"Richard Herr Harder" wrote in message
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WTF are you thinking? What are the top 10 flies for trout? I bet the
prince nymph is one. Its main components are brown goose biots and
white goose biots.


Hmm....top ten trout flies. Hard to enumerate, since there are several
versions of upwing drys that might qualify separately. Nontheless, my
thoughts, close to being in order, for the top 10 fish-catchers worldwide
a

Wolly bugger
GRHE
EHC
PT
Wolly worm
Adams
Parachute
Muddler minnow
Copper John
Some type of ant

Prince nymph is down around #15 or 20, in my book.

The Copper John uses goose biots as well. I believe that it is now, or
recently was, Umpqua's #1 selling fly.



Most I've seen look more like this:
http://www.danica.com/FLYTIER/jwoola...opper_john.htm

but I don't doubt that the original had biots.

--riverman

That version would certainly be easier to tie, and I don't see why it
wouldn't be as effective, but this is the more common tie I see.

http://www.flyanglersonline.com/flyt...20204fotw.html

brians

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riverman wrote:
"rw" wrote in message
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riverman wrote:

"Richard Herr Harder" wrote in message
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WTF are you thinking? What are the top 10 flies for trout? I bet the
prince nymph is one. Its main components are brown goose biots and
white goose biots.


Hmm....top ten trout flies. Hard to enumerate, since there are several
versions of upwing drys that might qualify separately. Nontheless, my
thoughts, close to being in order, for the top 10 fish-catchers
worldwide a

Wolly bugger
GRHE
EHC
PT
Wolly worm
Adams
Parachute
Muddler minnow
Copper John
Some type of ant

Prince nymph is down around #15 or 20, in my book.

The Copper John uses goose biots as well. I believe that it is now, or
recently was, Umpqua's #1 selling fly.



Most I've seen look more like this:
http://www.danica.com/FLYTIER/jwoola...opper_john.htm

but I don't doubt that the original had biots.

--riverman

That version would certainly be easier to tie, and I don't see why it
wouldn't be as effective, but this is the more common tie I see.

http://www.flyanglersonline.com/flyt...20204fotw.html

brians


Damn, thats a nice set of illustrated instructions. I think I'll try tying
some up. But why so specific about 'leading' the copper wire turns with the
thread? Seems to me that wrapping the thread to the head, then twisting the
wire would have the exact same result.

Harry?

--riverman

riverman wrote:

Damn, thats a nice set of illustrated instructions.

Harry's tutorials are great.

I think I'll try tying
some up. But why so specific about 'leading' the copper wire turns with the
thread? Seems to me that wrapping the thread to the head, then twisting the
wire would have the exact same result.

Harry?

I think the idea is that it helps to make the wire wraps even and tight.

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Damn, thats a nice set of illustrated instructions. I think I'll try
tying some up. But why so specific about 'leading' the copper wire
turns with the thread? Seems to me that wrapping the thread to the
head, then twisting the wire would have the exact same result.

Harry?

--riverman


You can use the thread to apply pressure to the wraps of copper, and make
sure that they butt tight. I don't find it very helpful with copper, but
it's a damn fine technique with unistretch. I usually use the tag end of
whatever material I'm using, and not the main thread.

--
Scott
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riverman wrote:


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WTF are you thinking? What are the top 10 flies for trout? I bet the
prince nymph is one. Its main components are brown goose biots and
white goose biots.


Hmm....top ten trout flies. Hard to enumerate, since there are several
versions of upwing drys that might qualify separately. Nontheless, my
thoughts, close to being in order, for the top 10 fish-catchers
worldwide a

Wolly bugger
GRHE
EHC
PT
Wolly worm
Adams
Parachute
Muddler minnow
Copper John
Some type of ant

Prince nymph is down around #15 or 20, in my book.

The Copper John uses goose biots as well. I believe that it is now, or
recently was, Umpqua's #1 selling fly.



Most I've seen look more like this:
http://www.danica.com/FLYTIER/jwoola...opper_john.htm

but I don't doubt that the original had biots.

--riverman

That version would certainly be easier to tie, and I don't see why it
wouldn't be as effective, but this is the more common tie I see.

http://www.flyanglersonline.com/flyt...20204fotw.html

brians



Damn, thats a nice set of illustrated instructions. I think I'll try tying
some up. But why so specific about 'leading' the copper wire turns with the
thread? Seems to me that wrapping the thread to the head, then twisting the
wire would have the exact same result.

Harry?

--riverman

I don't want to speak for Harry, but he explains it pretty well in Step
#14. The thread and bobbin add additional pressure to the wire, and help
keep the wraps tight against each other. I've done it this way, and
while it may help, I find it easier to do as you suggested(wrapping the
thread up to the head). Also, the partridge legs *look* easy enough to
tie in, but it does take some experience before you get them even, and
aligned properly.

Harry has a excellent tutorial section.....one of the best on the web.
He also sells high quality flies at reasonable prices.

brians

On Wed, 5 Apr 2006 01:11:46 +0800, "riverman"
wrote:

Damn, thats a nice set of illustrated instructions. I think I'll try tying
some up. But why so specific about 'leading' the copper wire turns with the
thread? Seems to me that wrapping the thread to the head, then twisting the
wire would have the exact same result.

Harry?

--riverman


The theory is that the bobbins weight will maintain the tightness
between each successive wire turn. On small wire I can see this being
a real factor, but with medium wire I doubt it has an effect, unless
of course, your bobbin weighs in at five pounds.

HM

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The Copper John uses goose biots as well. I believe that it is now, or
recently was, Umpqua's #1 selling fly.



Most I've seen look more like this:
http://www.danica.com/FLYTIER/jwoola...opper_john.htm

but I don't doubt that the original had biots.

The standard pattern uses them for the tail.

Goose biots are also used on stone fly nymphs and as bodies on dry flies.

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