Wal-Mart

MajorOz wrote:

Where, outside Marxist enclaves, did medical care become
a right guaranteed by government?

Have you ever heard of Medicare?

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rw wrote:
MajorOz wrote:

Where, outside Marxist enclaves, did medical care become
a right guaranteed by government?

Have you ever heard of Medicare?

....ever hear of non sequitor?

If you can't stay in context, don't bother to comment.

cheers

oz

MajorOz wrote:

Where, outside Marxist enclaves, did medical care become
a right guaranteed by government?


In pretty much all "developed" nations except the U.S. Some are better
at providing the care than others, of course, but still, I'd rather be
poor and sick in Italy than poor and sick in the U.S.

JR

On Tue, 25 Apr 2006 00:00:03 -0700, JR wrote:

MajorOz wrote:

Where, outside Marxist enclaves, did medical care become
a right guaranteed by government?


In pretty much all "developed" nations except the U.S. Some are better
at providing the care than others, of course, but still, I'd rather be
poor and sick in Italy than poor and sick in the U.S.

JR

I'm curious - have you been poor and sick in the US? Italy? Anywhere?
And if your answer is yes, where were you sick and with what passport?

TC,
R

On Mon, 24 Apr 2006 21:03:38 -0400, "Gene Cottrell"
wrote:

For
example, they will make pharmaceutical prices so low that the local pharmacy
can't compete at all. Once they're out, Wal-Mart raises it's prices, then
next it's the hardware store, then the clothing store, then the sporting
goods store, etc. True, they can have lower prices than the local mom and
pop stores anyway, but if it's only a little, enough people will shop the
mom and pop to hurt Wal-Mart, so Wal-Mart's policy is 'They must go!' This
is not conjecture, it has been proven in court.

Completely wrong. Believe it or not, Walmart sees its biggest
competitor as its own stores, especially older ones. And here's a hint:
would your average "mom-n-pop" store really want to take Walmart's
customers away - IOW, have them all leave Walmart and come into their
store? No? So why would Walmart want to take "mom-n-pop's?" Really
think about that before you answer.

As to "proven in court," VERY little is "proven" in court. Finders of
fact may decide something (liable or not liable, guilty or not guilty -
note, not "innocent") based on the appropriate standard (51% or greater,
depending on civil or criminal). About as close as it comes is a civil
action filed following a criminal conviction (and not the other way
around), where the criminal conviction can be used as evidence, and even
then, it's simply the law following the logic - it still isn't "proof."

HTH,
R

MajorOz wrote:
rw wrote:

MajorOz wrote:


Where, outside Marxist enclaves, did medical care become
a right guaranteed by government?

Have you ever heard of Medicare?


...ever hear of non sequitor?

If you can't stay in context, don't bother to comment.

FYI: Medicare is a federal health insurance program for people age 65
and older and for individuals with disabilities.

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Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

wrote:
On Tue, 25 Apr 2006 00:00:03 -0700, JR wrote:

I'm curious - have you been poor and sick in the US?

Yes.

Italy?

No.

I picked Italy as an example, though, because I'm very familiar with the
medical system there, having lived (and been sick) there and knowing
many Italians and immigrants to Italy, "poor" by U.S. standards, who
deal regularly with that system.

I'd have picked Canada as an example, but it's spring there and I
thought I'd leave poor Petah to fish in peace.....

On Tue, 25 Apr 2006 09:05:37 -0700, JR wrote:

wrote:
On Tue, 25 Apr 2006 00:00:03 -0700, JR wrote:

I'm curious - have you been poor and sick in the US?

Yes.

Italy?

No.

I picked Italy as an example, though, because I'm very familiar with the
medical system there, having lived (and been sick) there and knowing
many Italians and immigrants to Italy, "poor" by U.S. standards, who
deal regularly with that system.

And please define "poor." And to save time, "poor by US standards"
ain't gonna impress me much - YMMV. What does that mean, anyway - they
can't afford Starbucks _daily_, to supersize their McHeartAttack Meal,
only 112 channels on cable/satellite, and the greatest horror of them
all, Capital One will only give them a regular old Visa...what's in your
wallet?

I'd have picked Canada as an example, but it's spring there and I
thought I'd leave poor Petah to fish in peace.....

Hey, we all know Canada is, by some stroke of fortune, paradise on
earth, so comparing ANYTHING to what's available there just isn't a fair
thing to do...hell, they aren't even burdened with real money...

TC,
R

rw wrote:
MajorOz wrote:
rw wrote:

MajorOz wrote:


Where, outside Marxist enclaves, did medical care become
a right guaranteed by government?

Have you ever heard of Medicare?


...ever hear of non sequitor?

If you can't stay in context, don't bother to comment.

FYI: Medicare is a federal health insurance program for people age 65
and older and for individuals with disabilities.

The subject under consideration was health benifits, whether employers
provided them, and, if not, were locals paying for them.

....as I said, it is best, if you have a valid point, to stay in context
and attempt to develop it. Otherwise, don't bother to comment.

cheers

oz.....evasion is not a virtue, unless mom asks whose fingerprint is in
the cake

wrote:

And please define "poor." And to save time, "poor by US standards"
ain't gonna impress me much - YMMV.

For the sake of this particular argument, let it mean anything from
"lower middle class" (and, yes, that can be relative across societies)
to "penniless."

Regardless of nit-picking definitions, I stand by my statement, slightly
rephrased, that I'd rather be a poor Italian sick in Italy than a poor
American sick in the U.S. I suspect I'd also rather be a poor German
sick in Germany than a poor American sick in the U.S., but I don't know
the medical system there--nor the economy--well enough to say with much
confidence.

The statement is based on experience. If you disagree, that's fine with me.