Beautiful flies vs. Not So Beautiful

On Wed, 03 May 2006 03:16:25 GMT, "jeffc" wrote:


"Wolfgang" wrote in message
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"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
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I'm not quite sure how a fly could be both aesthetically
lacking and well tied at the same time. But having said
that I've tied some awful looking things that caught fish.....

Leading one to wonder how it is that some folks expect others to
understand what they say when they are themselves absolutely clueless.


It's funny to think back that you two were once lovers.

Funny? Mindbogglingly, scare-little-kids, make-Hugh-Hefner-celibate,
blind-weaker-souls, and I-just-had-some-pizza-with-anchovies-you
-sick-twisted-mother****er nauseating, yes...funny, no...jeezus
motherofmercy God in heaven lord all mighty, I'd rather have wayno
describe how hot he got watching Louie doing the lambada to "YMCA"...
while I was watching a video of Scott getting dressed for, um,
fishing...

"jeffc" wrote in message
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"Wolfgang" wrote in message
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"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
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I'm not quite sure how a fly could be both aesthetically
lacking and well tied at the same time. But having said
that I've tied some awful looking things that caught fish.....

Leading one to wonder how it is that some folks expect others to
understand what they say when they are themselves absolutely clueless.

It's funny to think back that you two were once lovers.

Even funnier to reflect that you were once a witless frat boy with a grossly
inflated sense of his own humanity......and nothing has changed.

Wolfgang

Tom Nakashima wrote:
I just received my order of flies for the McCloud River that are well tied,
but not the greatest in aesthetics. I've paid 55 cents per fly, which I
thought was a pretty good price, and they do match the patterns I wanted. I
recently saw some very nice tied patterns at $2.80 per fly, but they were
near perfect and very aesthetically pleasing. I've never fished with
beautiful flies before, but was wondering if they do make a difference in
appearance to trout?
-tom

What I'd be suspicious of in a 55-cent fly is the quality of the hook.

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On Tue, 2 May 2006 13:07:17 -0700, "Tom Nakashima"
wrote:

I just received my order of flies for the McCloud River that are well tied,
but not the greatest in aesthetics. I've paid 55 cents per fly, which I
thought was a pretty good price, and they do match the patterns I wanted. I
recently saw some very nice tied patterns at $2.80 per fly, but they were
near perfect and very aesthetically pleasing. I've never fished with
beautiful flies before, but was wondering if they do make a difference in
appearance to trout?
-tom


A fly shop two towns over from me went out of business several years
ago. I knew the guy that ran it and jumped at the chance to buy some
of the "realistic" flies that he had for sale. I bought a bunch of
them for about $0.75 apiece, and some Water Wisp flies for about the
same amount. I was so very pleased in my purchase of these flies and
couldn't wait to try them on my favorite stream.

Long story short: The Water Wisp flies were absolutely useless.
Never had a rise to them *all season*. The realistic flies did not
perform any better that the hack jobs that *I* tie. So, I can say
from experience that it ain't what they look like necessarily.

I believe presentation is the key to successful fly fishing,
regardless the discipline (nymphing, wets, dries, streamers).

I once caught a 20 inch land locked salmon that had a fly in its jaw.
I removed it and put it on my patch. About an hour later I tied on
that fly and took fish after fish after fish. The fly was beat up
beyond recognition at the end of that day. It became my "lucky fly",
and I only used it when I was getting skunked. It *never* failed. I
eventually lost it to a fish that beat me, and I regret to this day
that I did not reverse engineer the fly to see how it was tied. I
have tied similar ones, but nothing that had the success of that fly.

Dave

"Dave LaCourse" wrote in message
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On Tue, 2 May 2006 13:07:17 -0700, "Tom Nakashima"
wrote:

I just received my order of flies for the McCloud River that are well
tied,
but not the greatest in aesthetics. I've paid 55 cents per fly, which I
thought was a pretty good price, and they do match the patterns I wanted.
I
recently saw some very nice tied patterns at $2.80 per fly, but they were
near perfect and very aesthetically pleasing. I've never fished with
beautiful flies before, but was wondering if they do make a difference in
appearance to trout?
-tom


A fly shop two towns over from me went out of business several years
ago. I knew the guy that ran it and jumped at the chance to buy some
of the "realistic" flies that he had for sale. I bought a bunch of
them for about $0.75 apiece, and some Water Wisp flies for about the
same amount. I was so very pleased in my purchase of these flies and
couldn't wait to try them on my favorite stream.

Long story short: The Water Wisp flies were absolutely useless.
Never had a rise to them *all season*. The realistic flies did not
perform any better that the hack jobs that *I* tie. So, I can say
from experience that it ain't what they look like necessarily.

I believe presentation is the key to successful fly fishing,
regardless the discipline (nymphing, wets, dries, streamers).

I once caught a 20 inch land locked salmon that had a fly in its jaw.
I removed it and put it on my patch. About an hour later I tied on
that fly and took fish after fish after fish. The fly was beat up
beyond recognition at the end of that day. It became my "lucky fly",
and I only used it when I was getting skunked. It *never* failed. I
eventually lost it to a fish that beat me, and I regret to this day
that I did not reverse engineer the fly to see how it was tied. I
have tied similar ones, but nothing that had the success of that fly.

Dave





There used to be an olde salmon and trout fisherman who lived next door to
me on Stanley Pond in Hiram, Maine when I was a kid. He would go out and buy
Mickey Fins and some other types of bucktail streamers ( I was only like 12
or 13 at the time), bring them home and start plucking out some of the
bucktail with tweezers, thinning them down and generally roughing them up.
He swore that flies needed to be weathered and a bit thinned to work
properly.

Maybe thats what happened to your lucky fly. After being chewed on a bit by
the fish and catching all those others... it was thinned enough to imitate
something the fish recognized.

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Tom Nakashima wrote:
I've paid 55 cents per fly, which I
thought was a pretty good price, and they do match the patterns I wanted.
-tom

Tom,
I suggest you take up fly tying. It will cost you a LOT more for
flies, so don't think otherwise G and there's a good chance your
flies will be pretty shoddy at first :-), but tying is what changed
"another way to fish" into a true passion for me, personally..

I know you practice casting at lunch and spend WAY too much time in fly
shops G ... you just strike me as a guy that should roll his own.
FWIW, it's not the flies one ties that make the difference, it's all
the study that tying leads to and encourages that adds so very much to
the hobby of fly fishing.

"Larry L" wrote in message
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Tom Nakashima wrote:
I've paid 55 cents per fly, which I
thought was a pretty good price, and they do match the patterns I wanted.
-tom

Tom,
I suggest you take up fly tying. It will cost you a LOT more for
flies, so don't think otherwise G and there's a good chance your
flies will be pretty shoddy at first :-), but tying is what changed
"another way to fish" into a true passion for me, personally..

I know you practice casting at lunch and spend WAY too much time in fly
shops G ... you just strike me as a guy that should roll his own.
FWIW, it's not the flies one ties that make the difference, it's all
the study that tying leads to and encourages that adds so very much to
the hobby of fly fishing.


for sure. Even though my flies that I tie myself don't look so perfect and
get kind of screwy... It's 10 times more exciting and satisfying to pull in
a fish on your own creation than someone elses.

likewise when I crash an R/C plane i built myself from balsa sticks, Its 10
times more painful to watch than one I just bought ready to fly.

Long ago and far away my brother use to catch trout in the McCloud
with a fly called the "lucky strike"
It was made from the foil and the red cellophane "zipper" on a luck
stike cigarette package. Ugly as hell and you were lucky if it lasted
two fish. You could tie another one with the hook still on you line.

RE a fly called the "lucky strike"

And what was it LSMFT stood for?
Something about "loose straps" or "let's stop"
.....I can't remember.

beauty has a similar relationship to women and girlfriends too,
don't you think:

.....not at all essential, but nice.