Sick of the license BS

"Wolfgang" wrote in message
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"Calif Bill" wrote in message
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"Scott Seidman" wrote in message
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"Calif Bill" wrote in
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Since parts of the family have been here since the 1600's maybe you
are the newcomer and should leave. When My lifetime California
license is about $350 and it costs $20 for a 1 day and $35 for a 3 day
in alaska and then you have to buy stamps for certain type fish $10
for 2 day salmon and $20 for 3 day salmon. This is nothing but
legalized theft. Resident annual stamp is $10. Resident license is
$24. At least in California, the $6.75 license includes stamps for
all but abalone.

Perhaps you could establish Alaska residency.

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Scott
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Perhaps you could get a brain.

No maybe about it. Hell, I've got dozens I can spare. Hey Scott! How
many you want?

Wolfgang


Maybe you should install one in your head, as opposed to your ass.

"Scott Seidman" wrote in message
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"Scott Seidman" wrote in message
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"Calif Bill" wrote in
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Since parts of the family have been here since the 1600's maybe you
are the newcomer and should leave. When My lifetime California
license is about $350 and it costs $20 for a 1 day and $35 for a 3
day in alaska and then you have to buy stamps for certain type fish
$10 for 2 day salmon and $20 for 3 day salmon. This is nothing but
legalized theft. Resident annual stamp is $10. Resident license is
$24. At least in California, the $6.75 license includes stamps for
all but abalone.

Perhaps you could establish Alaska residency.

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Scott
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Perhaps you could get a brain.



Push comes to shove, your license fee numbers for California for the day
license are wrong by about half. It's $11.30 for a one day license, and
there is a salmon punch card (1.60) and a Steelhead report card ($5.50)
that you do indeed need to buy if you're fishing those species,
particularly in certain locations-- the only stamp you're exempt from is
the Ocean Enhancement. Then, CA offers a longer term license at $17.60,
and a ten-day at almost $35. That's very close to in line with the
Alaska fees, and the fees of most other states I've fished, as well as
Canada.

Next, your lifetime license, if you bought it today, would be $640 if
you were between the ages of ten and 39, and you would probably need to
tag on $261 for the lifetime salmon and steelhead cards.

Lastly, ecotourism is an important part of the Alaskan economy. They've
legislated their cut. If you don't like it, vote with your wallet, and
don't fish.

I've been to Alaska, didn't fish, but I'd gladly have paid any entrance
visa fee along the same magnitude just to enter that state. It
shouldn't be missed.

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Scott
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My lifetime is for an over 62. Still the visitors are getting ripped worse
by the states than the locals. How much more does a visitor pay than a
state resident for motel / hotel room or car rental?

On Sat, 13 May 2006 07:10:21 -0500, Ken C
wrote:
Needless to say, I took my chances. After
all, I have never been approached for a license check in 40 years of
fishing.

I had to do some income-producing work, but now am back.

Yes, fishing without a license where one is required is within the
technical definition of poaching. However, because there is no
intention to take any fish, it is not theft. It is in the same
category as a non-injurious trespass -- lke cutting across private
property to save time.

If you think such conduct is immoral, then you are wrong on the law --
and possibly retarded. It may be unlawful, but not all unlawful
conduct is immoral. Other examples of unlawful conduct that is not
immoral are speeding, drinking beer in a public park, and discharging
a firearm close to a public road.

Abusive language is not unlawful. However, calling a person a thief
who is not a thief is actionable defamation -- and immoral. A slam
dunk, by the way.

One of these days, one of you ****heads will go too far and find
himself at the wrong end of a very expensive lawsuit from which even
bankruptcy can provide no relief.

Ken C

Ken C wrote:
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Abusive language is not unlawful. However, calling a person a thief
who is not a thief is actionable defamation -- and immoral. A slam
dunk, by the way.

One of these days, one of you ****heads will go too far and find
himself at the wrong end of a very expensive lawsuit from which even
bankruptcy can provide no relief.

Uh, skuze me, but calling a person a ****head who is not a ****head is,
well, just wrong.

.... unless it's done in good taste, of course.
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TL,
Tim
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"jeff" wrote in message
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perhaps i'll bring a bag along in september if someone brings a grinder...
speaking of which, does anybody know where we're going and where we're
staying in sept?

We;re going to the UP, and we're staying there for several days.

"Ken C" wrote in message
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Yes, fishing without a license where one is required is within the
technical definition of poaching. However, because there is no
intention to take any fish, it is not theft.

Last I checked they called it a fishing license, not a catching license.

Wayne Knight wrote:
"jeff" wrote in message
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perhaps i'll bring a bag along in september if someone brings a grinder...
speaking of which, does anybody know where we're going and where we're
staying in sept?


We;re going to the UP, and we're staying there for several days.



ya...dats true. but i'd sure hate showing up in marquette to discover
you boys are on the "oxymoron" somewhere.

jeff (who still suffers snipe hunt ptsd)

Ken C wrote:

I had to do some income-producing work, but now am back.
silly **** snipped

You're forgetting the first law of finding yourself in a hole.

You have demonstrated here that you are an immoral thief, a
disgusting excuse for a human being and no sportsman worthy
of the name. So quit digging already.

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Ken Fortenberry

"jeff" wrote in message
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Wayne Knight wrote:
"jeff" wrote in message
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perhaps i'll bring a bag along in september if someone brings a
grinder... speaking of which, does anybody know where we're going and
where we're staying in sept?


We;re going to the UP, and we're staying there for several days.



ya...dats true. but i'd sure hate showing up in marquette to discover you
boys are on the "oxymoron" somewhere.

jeff (who still suffers snipe hunt ptsd)

The precise location of the staying is still somewhat up in the air. It
will depend in part on who and how many are coming, the overlap of
attendance, preferences regarding style of accommodations, etc. I'll be
heading up there on Memorial Day weekend to do some scouting on waters I
haven't fished as yet. The results will probably also enter into the
calculations. I'll also be talking to the Fisher boys......odds are that
their shack will be available. This will presumably be our fallback
position. It puts us a couple of hours drive from some of the waters we've
talked about.....and particularly some that I know you want to
explore.....but this isn't a major problem, I think, as it also puts us
within easy reach of many good streams we already know and many others we
have yet to defile.

Rather than pursue the matter further in a thread that has quite possibly
been abandoned by a few possible attendees, I'll begin a new one as soon as
I post this and we'll see what others have to say.

Wolfgang

Frank Reid wrote:
Okay, fishing in a place that requires a license is a crime. A person
who commits a crime is called a criminal. A thief is a very specific
form of criminal. I believe the appelations "criminal" and "poacher"
would both fit this instance. So the lowest, most base title I would
be able to give to such a person is a criminal poacher from New York
City. By the way, morality is not always the basis for law but
stupidity is always the basis for flaunting it. Why do you hate
America so much?


I would only add that a criminal who is petty is every bit a petty
criminal as one who commits petty crimes.....

FWIW,

JR