RFD: rec.outdoors.bassfishing.tournaments

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On Tue, 23 May 2006 13:32:30 -0400, daytripper
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On 23 May 2006 16:33:02 GMT, Scott Seidman
came
hurtling out the barroom doors, even while saying:

"WARREN WOLK" wrote in
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I'm a bit confused Scott - why is the categorization of a
tournament-based newsgroup here or there even a concern to you? If
you don't subscribe you don't see it, right?


I don't think its overly concerning me. It's an RFD, and I think the
proposed group would fit better in rec.sports than rec.outdoors. This is
what an RFD is for.

FWIW, I'd vote yes when it comes to it in a call for votes if it were in
rec.sports, and I'd vote no if it were in rec.outdoors. I think others
might take the same position, and some my be OK with it in either case.

Also, the revised charter still specifies bass tourneys. I thought the
revision was to open it to all tourneys, which I think is an excellent
idea.

You have to wonder if there's a reason why there isn't even a
"rec.sports.fishing" root to hang a .tournaments group in the first place.

My theory: Those in the know know fishing isn't a sport.

rec.outdoors.fishing.tournaments makes the most sense...

/daytripper (hell, let's *really* pull the pin on this grenade ;-)

OK, let's.

No one but a bunch of inbred hillbillies has any interest in
tournaments. Furthermore, most such types are too technologically
backward to find the power switch on a computer, so wherever it is,
they'll not be able to find it. But if it has to be created, it belongs
over in alt. - as alt.hillbillies.fishin.turny-mints.

Winstey
...boom, old bean...

I find it impossible to believe that anyone ever stumbles accidentally into
any newsgroup with no hope of escape. Thus it is difficult to imagine why
anyone who doesn't plan to spend time in a particular newsgroup could
possibly care what it is called. I mean, it's not as if these names are
emblazoned on newspaper headlines around the world and someone might be
tainted by association.

On the other hand, it is equally difficult to understand why someone who
DOES plan to spend time in a particular newsgroup gets worked up about it.
As long as the name suggests the subject matter to anyone looking for it,
what difference can it possibly make? For that matter, search engines being
what they are today, any active newsgroup shouldn't be difficult to find
even if its name isn't especially illuminating.

Seems to me that all this fuss is generated by a misguided allegiance to the
notion that naming conventions in Usenet should adhere to some sort of
hierarchical model inspired by Linnaean taxonomy. An interesting enough
game for anyone who wants to play, but ultimately unworkable. Even in the
original, where descent from a more primitive ancestor is a certainty,
resulting in neat branching chains, it has its drawbacks. In any
agglomeration of human artifacts there is no such simple and exclusive set
of relationships. Nobody is ever going to publish a satisfactory
dichotomous key.

Wolfgang

"Wolfgang" writes:

Seems to me that all this fuss is generated by a misguided allegiance to the
notion that naming conventions in Usenet should adhere to some sort of
hierarchical model inspired by Linnaean taxonomy. An interesting enough
game for anyone who wants to play, but ultimately unworkable.

Nevertheless, that's how the system works. Each newsgroup gets a
name, and it goes into an existing hierarchical namespace; choose your
name as best you can, and expect some discussion of it as you set the
group up. This process pre-dates me by a long-shot, and I don't expect
that it will die for as long as Usenet survives.

- Tim Skirvin )
Chair, Big-8 Management Board
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http://www.big-8.org/ Big-8 Management Board
http://www.killfile.org/~tskirvin/ Skirv's Homepage FISH *

Tim Skirvin wrote:
"Wolfgang" writes:
Seems to me that all this fuss ...

Nevertheless, that's how the system works. Each newsgroup gets a
name, and it goes into an existing hierarchical namespace; choose your
name as best you can, and expect some discussion of it as you set the
group up. This process pre-dates me by a long-shot, and I don't expect
that it will die for as long as Usenet survives.

- Tim Skirvin )
Chair, Big-8 Management Board

Oh good lord, I *am* getting old.

I remember Tim Skirvin as the obnoxious kid whose signature
put down was GARNA. Now look at him, he actually has a job !!

--
Ken Fortenberry

Ken Fortenberry wrote in
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Tim Skirvin wrote:
"Wolfgang" writes:
Seems to me that all this fuss ...

Nevertheless, that's how the system works. Each newsgroup
gets a
name, and it goes into an existing hierarchical namespace; choose
your name as best you can, and expect some discussion of it as you
set the group up. This process pre-dates me by a long-shot, and I
don't expect that it will die for as long as Usenet survives.

- Tim Skirvin )
Chair, Big-8 Management Board

Oh good lord, I *am* getting old.

I remember Tim Skirvin as the obnoxious kid whose signature
put down was GARNA. Now look at him, he actually has a job !!




Me too. I can track my first netnews post to Nov 1985. GARNA didn't apply
when all there really was was nn!

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Scott
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[again, note followups]
Scott Seidman writes:

GARNA didn't apply when all there really was was nn!

...and nn is *still* a real newsreader! *grin*

- Tim Skirvin )
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[note followups]
Ken Fortenberry writes:

- Tim Skirvin )
Chair, Big-8 Management Board

Oh good lord, I *am* getting old.

I remember Tim Skirvin as the obnoxious kid whose signature
put down was GARNA. Now look at him, he actually has a job !!

That was mine? I might have used it once or twice, but it didn't
really suit me. I was more into "There Is No Need For You To Refer Me To
Your Lame Homepage", and the Tim Pierce staple "No.".

...man, I'm old too...

- Tim Skirvin )
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http://www.killfile.org/~tskirvin/posts.html Skirv's Posts

"Tim Skirvin" wrote in message
u...
"Wolfgang" writes:

Seems to me that all this fuss is generated by a misguided allegiance to
the
notion that naming conventions in Usenet should adhere to some sort of
hierarchical model inspired by Linnaean taxonomy. An interesting enough
game for anyone who wants to play, but ultimately unworkable.

Nevertheless, that's how the system works. Each newsgroup gets a
name, and it goes into an existing hierarchical namespace;

Well, see, there's the problem. That is NOT how the system works. The
trouble is that there is no hierarchical structure to the things that people
want to talk about. To be sure, some categories of things are naturally
subsumed in broader, more encompassing categroies......thus fly fishing is a
subset of fishing, which is itself one of many outdoor activities. But this
is by no means the case with every human construct, be it a thing, an
activity, a place, an idea, or whatever. Take barbed wire, for
instance......where does that fit? The most that can be done is the
imposition of a caricature of a hierarchical taxonomic structure....and that
is precisely what has been done. And now people get to display their wit in
attempts to rationalize trying to fit a square peg into a hole that doesn't
exist. One shouldn't need to point out that the shape of the nonexistent
hole is somewhere on the wrong side of line marking irrelevance.

choose your name as best you can,

Sound advice. What a wonderful world it would be if someone had thought of
that before, ainna?

and expect some discussion of it as you set the
group up.

Assuming your keen perception that the painfully obvious needs to be pointed
out to those who are likely to participate in the discussion is correct (and
who could doubt it?) then something passing for discussion would appear to
be inevitable, whether expected or not. And so, here we are.

Discussion CAN be useful but when it is applied to questions along the lines
of how many angels can dance on a pinhead, its utility is pretty much
limited to cheap amusement. Mind you, that's o.k. with me....I like a good
laugh as well as anyone.

I got interested in this discussion because it was crossposted to
rec.outdoors.fishing.fly which is where I usually hang out. I mention this
because it provides a wonderful example of a fortuitous name......it lends
itself quite naturally to an easily prounceable and memorable
acronym.....roff (often written in all caps but, oddly for a proper noun,
only rarely with just the initial letter capitalized). Now THERE'S an
excellent justification for a name!.....and, not so incidentally, also a
fine example of fodder for useful discussion.

This process pre-dates me by a long-shot,

So do clowns. Are you somebody I should know?

and I don't expect
that it will die for as long as Usenet survives.

Well, expectation is easy. Anybody can do that.

- Tim Skirvin )
Chair, Big-8 Management Board

What's a "Big-8"?

Wolfgang

On Wed, 24 May 2006 07:59:06 -0500, "Wolfgang" wrote in
:

... What's a "Big-8"?

A set of 8 newsgroup hierarchies all under one management (currently
news.announce.newgroups mods, potentially the Big-8 Management
Board).

http://www.big-8.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=history:big-8

rec.* is one of the eight hierarchies in the big-8.

Marty

"Martin X. Moleski, SJ" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 24 May 2006 07:59:06 -0500, "Wolfgang" wrote in
:

... What's a "Big-8"?

A set of 8 newsgroup hierarchies all under one management (currently
news.announce.newgroups mods, potentially the Big-8 Management
Board).

http://www.big-8.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=history:big-8

rec.* is one of the eight hierarchies in the big-8.

Marty

Thanks, Marty. That's about what I figured. Interesting
stuff.....particularly this part:

" ... The most significant part of the name is given first. The first
component of the name is special and more significant than the rest of the
name, since it defines the top-level Usenet hierarchy to which that group
belongs"

It comes as no surprise that "management" would find this true......though I
be go ta hell if I can think of a good reason that they should. To the end
user (and what, after all, is a newsgroup for?) precisely the opposite
should be true. I'm a fly fisher.....makes no difference to me how some
drudge wants to label and file the wing, the structure, the street address,
the city, the county, the state, the nation and the planet to which I go to
play. All I need is the room number.

By the way, "SJ"? Does that mean what any literate person would presumably
assume it does?

Wolfgang

In article , "Wolfgang" wrote:

[...]

By the way, "SJ"? Does that mean what any literate person would presumably
assume it does?

Wolfgang



Depends on your definition of literate. IIRC, it stands for Society of
Jesuits (although it's probably really Latin, eh, Martin?).