RFD: rec.outdoors.bassfishing.tournaments

"Tim Skirvin" wrote in message
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"Wolfgang" writes:

Seems to me that all this fuss is generated by a misguided allegiance to
the
notion that naming conventions in Usenet should adhere to some sort of
hierarchical model inspired by Linnaean taxonomy. An interesting enough
game for anyone who wants to play, but ultimately unworkable.

Nevertheless, that's how the system works. Each newsgroup gets a
name, and it goes into an existing hierarchical namespace;

Well, see, there's the problem. That is NOT how the system works. The
trouble is that there is no hierarchical structure to the things that people
want to talk about. To be sure, some categories of things are naturally
subsumed in broader, more encompassing categroies......thus fly fishing is a
subset of fishing, which is itself one of many outdoor activities. But this
is by no means the case with every human construct, be it a thing, an
activity, a place, an idea, or whatever. Take barbed wire, for
instance......where does that fit? The most that can be done is the
imposition of a caricature of a hierarchical taxonomic structure....and that
is precisely what has been done. And now people get to display their wit in
attempts to rationalize trying to fit a square peg into a hole that doesn't
exist. One shouldn't need to point out that the shape of the nonexistent
hole is somewhere on the wrong side of line marking irrelevance.

choose your name as best you can,

Sound advice. What a wonderful world it would be if someone had thought of
that before, ainna?

and expect some discussion of it as you set the
group up.

Assuming your keen perception that the painfully obvious needs to be pointed
out to those who are likely to participate in the discussion is correct (and
who could doubt it?) then something passing for discussion would appear to
be inevitable, whether expected or not. And so, here we are.

Discussion CAN be useful but when it is applied to questions along the lines
of how many angels can dance on a pinhead, its utility is pretty much
limited to cheap amusement. Mind you, that's o.k. with me....I like a good
laugh as well as anyone.

I got interested in this discussion because it was crossposted to
rec.outdoors.fishing.fly which is where I usually hang out. I mention this
because it provides a wonderful example of a fortuitous name......it lends
itself quite naturally to an easily prounceable and memorable
acronym.....roff (often written in all caps but, oddly for a proper noun,
only rarely with just the initial letter capitalized). Now THERE'S an
excellent justification for a name!.....and, not so incidentally, also a
fine example of fodder for useful discussion.

This process pre-dates me by a long-shot,

So do clowns. Are you somebody I should know?

and I don't expect
that it will die for as long as Usenet survives.

Well, expectation is easy. Anybody can do that.

- Tim Skirvin )
Chair, Big-8 Management Board

What's a "Big-8"?

Wolfgang

On Wed, 24 May 2006 07:59:06 -0500, "Wolfgang" wrote in
:

... What's a "Big-8"?

A set of 8 newsgroup hierarchies all under one management (currently
news.announce.newgroups mods, potentially the Big-8 Management
Board).

http://www.big-8.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=history:big-8

rec.* is one of the eight hierarchies in the big-8.

Marty

"Martin X. Moleski, SJ" wrote in message
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On Wed, 24 May 2006 07:59:06 -0500, "Wolfgang" wrote in
:

... What's a "Big-8"?

A set of 8 newsgroup hierarchies all under one management (currently
news.announce.newgroups mods, potentially the Big-8 Management
Board).

http://www.big-8.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=history:big-8

rec.* is one of the eight hierarchies in the big-8.

Marty

Thanks, Marty. That's about what I figured. Interesting
stuff.....particularly this part:

" ... The most significant part of the name is given first. The first
component of the name is special and more significant than the rest of the
name, since it defines the top-level Usenet hierarchy to which that group
belongs"

It comes as no surprise that "management" would find this true......though I
be go ta hell if I can think of a good reason that they should. To the end
user (and what, after all, is a newsgroup for?) precisely the opposite
should be true. I'm a fly fisher.....makes no difference to me how some
drudge wants to label and file the wing, the structure, the street address,
the city, the county, the state, the nation and the planet to which I go to
play. All I need is the room number.

By the way, "SJ"? Does that mean what any literate person would presumably
assume it does?

Wolfgang

In article , "Wolfgang" wrote:

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By the way, "SJ"? Does that mean what any literate person would presumably
assume it does?

Wolfgang



Depends on your definition of literate. IIRC, it stands for Society of
Jesuits (although it's probably really Latin, eh, Martin?).

"David Bostwick" wrote in message
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In article , "Wolfgang"
wrote:

[...]

By the way, "SJ"? Does that mean what any literate person would
presumably
assume it does?

Wolfgang



Depends on your definition of literate. IIRC, it stands for Society of
Jesuits (although it's probably really Latin, eh, Martin?).

I don't think you fit my definition.

Wolfgang
would anyone like to tell the boy what it really means?

"Wolfgang" writes:

would anyone like to tell the boy what it really means?

Is it one of these:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SJ

-Dave

On Wed, 24 May 2006 18:14:06 GMT, (David
Bostwick) wrote in :

By the way, "SJ"? Does that mean what any literate person would presumably
assume it does?

Depends on your definition of literate. IIRC, it stands for Society of
Jesuits (although it's probably really Latin, eh, Martin?).

"SJ" is English--"Society of Jesus.". Latin had no letter "J,"
so it would be "Societas Iesu" (SI). Italian:
La Compagnia di Gesù. And so on ...

"Jesuit" is derived from the Latin "Iesu ita," which
means "like Jesus."

A lot of folks think that we're not too Jesus-like. Some
went to their Bibles and found the Jebusites, a tribe
inimical to the house of Israel, and used that word
instead.

And that's why you might also hear us called "Jebs"
or "Jebbies."

[To the proponent and folks interested in fishing:
sorry for the thread drift.]

Marty

Martin X. Moleski, SJ typed:
On Wed, 24 May 2006 18:14:06 GMT,
(David Bostwick) wrote in :

By the way, "SJ"? Does that mean what any literate person would
presumably assume it does?

Depends on your definition of literate. IIRC, it stands for Society
of Jesuits (although it's probably really Latin, eh, Martin?).

"SJ" is English--"Society of Jesus.". Latin had no letter "J,"
so it would be "Societas Iesu" (SI). Italian:
La Compagnia di Gesù. And so on ...

"Jesuit" is derived from the Latin "Iesu ita," which
means "like Jesus."

A lot of folks think that we're not too Jesus-like. Some
went to their Bibles and found the Jebusites, a tribe
inimical to the house of Israel, and used that word
instead.

And that's why you might also hear us called "Jebs"
or "Jebbies."

[To the proponent and folks interested in fishing:
sorry for the thread drift.]

I heard he was one helluva fisherman, so that's about as on-topic as it gets
around here.
--
TL,
Tim
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http://css.sbcma.com/timj

Martin X. Moleski, SJ wrote:
On Wed, 24 May 2006 18:14:06 GMT, (David
Bostwick) wrote in :

By the way, "SJ"? Does that mean what any literate person would presumably
assume it does?

Depends on your definition of literate. IIRC, it stands for Society of
Jesuits (although it's probably really Latin, eh, Martin?).

"SJ" is English--"Society of Jesus.". Latin had no letter "J,"
so it would be "Societas Iesu" (SI). Italian:
La Compagnia di Gesù. And so on ...

"Jesuit" is derived from the Latin "Iesu ita," which
means "like Jesus."

A lot of folks think that we're not too Jesus-like. Some
went to their Bibles and found the Jebusites, a tribe
inimical to the house of Israel, and used that word
instead.

And that's why you might also hear us called "Jebs"
or "Jebbies."

[To the proponent and folks interested in fishing:
sorry for the thread drift.]

Marty

I almost got it from the "X". The only people I have ever known with
the middle name Xavier were clerics of some sort.

cheers

oz, Creighton Prep, '57

On 24 May 2006 21:02:05 -0700, "MajorOz" wrote in
.com:

... "SJ" is English--"Society of Jesus." ...

[To the proponent and folks interested in fishing:
sorry for the thread drift.]

... I almost got it from the "X". The only people I have ever known with
the middle name Xavier were clerics of some sort.

After my Dad died this spring, Mom told me that they chose my name
when they were dating. I was the second child in the family, so the
choice of name wasn't motivated by immediate need. )

I have met lots of FX's in the Society. My great-uncle Ignatius wanted
to be a Jesuit, but they turned him down.

oz, Creighton Prep, '57

I did Tertianship down the hill from Creighton U in 1992-93. Nice
town.

[Tiny nod to the rofb folks:]

AH! I fish for bass in my family's pond in Little Valley, NY. There
are some bluegills in the pond, too. Someday I'm gonna get
a bag of crayfish and see if they'll provide more feed for the bass.

The biggest bass we ever caught in the pond was 16". I have
his outline on a piece of 2x6" wood. I'm sorry that I let the kid
who caught him cook him. Haven't hooked one that big
again. (

Marty