sad news, indeed

Alaskan420 wrote:
"rw" wrote in message

That statistic is from the Baghdad morgue and the Iraqi Health Ministry.
It's a breaking story in the LA Times, among other places:

http://tinyurl.com/zt5ef


Iraqi civilians killed this year by Islamic Terrorists
3,148

Yes, it is also sad that we made Iraq into a killing field for al Qaeda
and sectarian violence. It didn't have to be that way. It's a result of
incompetence and negligence.

Wow! The LA Times? Well, there's an unbiased source for you. Why didn't you
go all out and quote the NY Times or Geraldo?

The information comes from the Baghdad morgue and the Iraqi Health
Ministry. The LA Times is merely reporting it.

BTW, The new Iraqi government is calling for a timetable for the
withdrawal of American troops. I couldn't agree more, and the sooner the
better.

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Alaskan420 wrote:

And before anyone goes off half-cocked. I agree that Bush lied to us.
Whether he believed incorrect reports or lied intentionally I do not know. I
am not in his head. Some WMD have been found but nothing to justify the
claims at the beggining of the war. I also, as do many conservatives, think
he is doing a terrible job in almost all respects.

snip


And, once again to clarify, I am not a conservative / republican.

You just called yourself a conservative, right up there. See?

So what are you?

Whatever GWB is, he isn't a conservative.

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"Alaskan420" wrote in message
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is that just another
symptom of the liberal dogma?

I am very willing to debate the war with anyone but please don't just spew
what you've read in the papers, liberal or conservative. Do the research
for
yourself and come to the table prepared.


I told you once. you are seriously undergunned in the logic department. I
do not think you want to go there.

And before anyone goes off half-cocked.

They have medicines so you can get full-cocked. I work in health care trust
me.

The global problem of Islamic terrorism has very little to do with who's
president or even America itself. And Iraq was an internal "killing field"
long before the U.S. got involved.

Iraq wasn't about global terrorism but since you must, what about the other
killing fields that we so conviently don't consider our issue? Oh, they
don't sit on a large crude oil deposit.

rw wrote:
That these men and women [and children......everybody forgets the children] died...over 50,000 innocent Iraqi civilians killed....

And nobody grives....or mourns....or mentions them.....or knows their
names.

Wolfgang
now, THAT would be an interesting thread!

Alaskan420 wrote:

Do you just find it convenient to forget the USS Cole, (Clinton)? The
embassy bombings in Mogadishu, (Clinton)? Or any of the other 138,643
Islamic terrorist attacks recorded since 1967?

It would help your case if you didn't "remember" bombings that didn't
happen or cite figures with no basis in fact.

- JR

"rw" wrote in message
nk.net...
Alaskan420 wrote:

And before anyone goes off half-cocked. I agree that Bush lied to us.
Whether he believed incorrect reports or lied intentionally I do not
know. I
am not in his head. Some WMD have been found but nothing to justify the
claims at the beggining of the war. I also, as do many conservatives,
think
he is doing a terrible job in almost all respects.

snip


And, once again to clarify, I am not a conservative / republican.

You just called yourself a conservative, right up there. See?

So what are you?

Whatever GWB is, he isn't a conservative.

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Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

In order to discuss this you have to be able to read. I did NOT say I was a
conservative. Read it again. I did not say "other conservatives".

I am a Libertarian.

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Alaskan420 wrote:

In order to discuss this you have to be able to read. I did NOT say I was a
conservative. Read it again. I did not say "other conservatives".

I am a Libertarian.

Well excuse the hell out of me, Mr. Libertarian. Are you going to vote
Republican or Democrat in 2006?

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"Wayne Knight" wrote in message
. ..

"Alaskan420" wrote in message
news:8gHng.9164$U%1.5780@trndny07...

is that just another
symptom of the liberal dogma?

I am very willing to debate the war with anyone but please don't just
spew
what you've read in the papers, liberal or conservative. Do the research
for
yourself and come to the table prepared.


I told you once. you are seriously undergunned in the logic department. I
do not think you want to go there.

And before anyone goes off half-cocked.

They have medicines so you can get full-cocked. I work in health care
trust
me.

The global problem of Islamic terrorism has very little to do with who's
president or even America itself. And Iraq was an internal "killing
field"
long before the U.S. got involved.

Iraq wasn't about global terrorism but since you must, what about the
other
killing fields that we so conviently don't consider our issue? Oh, they
don't sit on a large crude oil deposit.

Ummm...

Who said Iraq was about Global terrorism? Notice the "period" after the word
itself? You have to read rw's previous post. That sentence was a response to
his claim that we turned Iraq into a killing field. Which we did not. We
just added American casualties.

Do you folks truly believe Iraq was about oil? If so, can you tell me where
it's going since we've been there? Why didn't we attack Saudi Arabia? Far
more oil and certainly more valid political reasons to attack there.

P.S. Wayne, personnal attacks don't validate your political view. Show me
facts. I am a logical person. My opinions can change.


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A misplaced Alaskan lost in ConUS

"JR" wrote in message
...
Alaskan420 wrote:

Do you just find it convenient to forget the USS Cole, (Clinton)? The
embassy bombings in Mogadishu, (Clinton)? Or any of the other 138,643
Islamic terrorist attacks recorded since 1967?

It would help your case if you didn't "remember" bombings that didn't
happen or cite figures with no basis in fact.

- JR

ARE YOU INSANE? Anyone else here want to back this guy up and claim that
the USS Cole or the embassy bombings in Mogadishu did not occur?

If you folks want to have a reasonable discussion fine. But this type of
claim just goes too far.


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Ric Hamel
A misplaced Alaskan lost in ConUS

"rw" wrote in message
k.net...
Alaskan420 wrote:

In order to discuss this you have to be able to read. I did NOT say I
was a
conservative. Read it again. I did not say "other conservatives".

I am a Libertarian.

Well excuse the hell out of me, Mr. Libertarian. Are you going to vote
Republican or Democrat in 2006?

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

I will vote for who I think can do the best job. Regardless of party
affiliation.


--
Ric Hamel
A misplaced Alaskan lost in ConUS