sad news, indeed

On 27 Jun 2006 12:42:26 GMT, Scott Seidman
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"Alaskan420" wrote in news:8gHng.9164$U%1.5780
@trndny07:

Do you truly believe Islamic terrorism exists because of
George Bush?


The level of Islamic terrorism that one finds in Iraq today is almost
directly attributable to GW.

Er, no. The level of Islamic terrorism that one finds in Iraq (or
anywhere) is directly attributable to Islamic terrorists and no one
else. Period.

Now, if you want to say something along the lines of: "GW is in large
part responsible for the (primary) condition in Iraq that allow Islamic
terrorists to operate in Iraq as freely," there could be a debate. It's
somewhat misleading, albeit technically correct, as he is responsible
for causing the removal of Saddam, which is the (primary) condition that
allows Islamic terrorists to operate as freely. But by taking such a
position, one would tacitly acknowledge that he would be equally
responsible for enabling whatever good might occur.

HTH,
R

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Tom Nakashima wrote:
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Extra credit question: What is the largest Muslim country by population?


Indonesia? Muslim population

No cigar for you, Tom. You were three minutes late.

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Jennings - Far East Countries for $200
Trebek - "The Largest Country by Muslim Population."
Jennings - What is India?
Trebek - Nooooooooooo!
Tom - What is Indonesia?
Trebek - "Muslim Population"
Trebek - Tom
Tom - Fly-Fishing for $2000

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But by taking such a
position, one would tacitly acknowledge that he would be equally
responsible for enabling whatever good might occur.


And then the debate as to whether it could have been done better and with
less loss of life simple by either letting a contained Hussein goverment
wither and die or by actually running an effective war campaign with enough
resources and a real international coalition behind it (as opposed to the
laughable "coalition of the Willing") could start.

At this point, if there's a positive outcome, its almost an accident.


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On 27 Jun 2006 14:21:14 GMT, Scott Seidman
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wrote in news:gra2a2trn6ldp7ke40fl5klkjhf0f263mb@
4ax.com:

But by taking such a
position, one would tacitly acknowledge that he would be equally
responsible for enabling whatever good might occur.


And then the debate as to whether it could have been done better and with
less loss of life simple by either letting a contained Hussein goverment
wither and die or by actually running an effective war campaign with enough
resources and a real international coalition behind it (as opposed to the
laughable "coalition of the Willing") could start.

It could start, I guess, but it wouldn't last long. Everything that's
ever been done by humans "_could_ have been done 'better,'" including
everything you yourself have ever done. OTOH, those things "_could_
have been done 'worse,'" too.

At this point, if there's a positive outcome, its almost an accident.

Well, maybe, but it's unfair to compare lesser countries to the US,
which suddenly and without warning or struggle internal or external,
came into existence as the perfect entity on June 21, 1788...

HTH,
R

Tom Nakashima typed:
"rw" wrote in message
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Tom Nakashima wrote:
"rw" wrote in message
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Extra credit question: What is the largest Muslim country by
population?

Indonesia? Muslim population

No cigar for you, Tom. You were three minutes late.

Thought you had to answer in the form of a question?

For that to be true, the question should have been in the form of an answer.

Jennings - Far East Countries for $200
Trebek - "The Largest Country by Muslim Population."
Jennings - What is India?
Trebek - Nooooooooooo!
Tom - What is Indonesia?
Trebek - "Muslim Population"
Trebek - Tom
Tom - Fly-Fishing for $2000

Very good - almost hilarious! And I know the question to the answer: What is
a wind knot?
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On Tue, 27 Jun 2006 10:49:19 -0400, "Tim J."
wrote:

Tom Nakashima typed:
"rw" wrote in message
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Tom Nakashima wrote:
"rw" wrote in message
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Extra credit question: What is the largest Muslim country by
population?

Indonesia? Muslim population

No cigar for you, Tom. You were three minutes late.

Thought you had to answer in the form of a question?

For that to be true, the question should have been in the form of an answer.

He thought maybe it was Jewish Jeopardy?

Shalom,
R

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"Alaskan420" wrote in news:8gHng.9164$U%1.5780
@trndny07:

Do you truly believe Islamic terrorism exists because of
George Bush?


The level of Islamic terrorism that one finds in Iraq today is almost
directly attributable to GW.

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Nothing like changing the question to suite your answer, eh?



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On 27 Jun 2006 14:21:14 GMT, Scott Seidman
wrote:

wrote in news:gra2a2trn6ldp7ke40fl5klkjhf0f263mb@
4ax.com:

But by taking such a
position, one would tacitly acknowledge that he would be equally
responsible for enabling whatever good might occur.


And then the debate as to whether it could have been done better and with
less loss of life simple by either letting a contained Hussein goverment
wither and die or by actually running an effective war campaign with
enough
resources and a real international coalition behind it (as opposed to the
laughable "coalition of the Willing") could start.

It could start, I guess, but it wouldn't last long. Everything that's
ever been done by humans "_could_ have been done 'better,'" including
everything you yourself have ever done. OTOH, those things "_could_
have been done 'worse,'" too.

At this point, if there's a positive outcome, its almost an accident.

Well, maybe, but it's unfair to compare lesser countries to the US,
which suddenly and without warning or struggle internal or external,
came into existence as the perfect entity on June 21, 1788...

HTH,
R

He shoots....He scores!


Ric

"Alaskan420" wrote in news:jCdog.3824$H32.3817
@trndny06:

Nothing like changing the question to suite your answer, eh?


1-If you think that the situation in Iraq is not making the world a less
safe place, you're wrong.

2-You were the one who changed the question. This thread was about
opposition to the war in Iraq, and how Iraqis have experiences problems
because of Islamic terrorists inside their country. As is so recognizable
to us because of the repeated arguments of the administration, you then
responded by linking terrorism in Iraq (which has developed BECAUSE OF the
fall of the Hussein regime) to terrorism as a whole. This wasn't true
before the war, and if its true now, its because of the war.

3- You spoke of Iraq being a killing field before the current war, and then
you point us to a report showing this to be the case prior to the previous
Gulf War. Another ploy of the administration. We effectively made that
government impotent on a global scale with that war. Sure, Hussein whacked
people immediately after he stopped running from the true coalition forces,
but plenty of work was being done to continue to make that government less
powerful. As an aside, many of the weapons and resources that Hussein used
to kill his own people were provided to him by the US, for use against Iran
or for other silly reasons. This is the reason why the current charges
against Hussein in his trial are chicken**** compared to his biggest
crimes--they had to dig up Hussein's crimes against humanity that didn't
implicate the US--and it was not an easy task.

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OTOH, those things "_could_
have been done 'worse,'" too.


In the opinion of many on both sides of the aisle, not a whole hell of a
lot less worse. Somehow, we're arguing about how well each side's plan
is for digging us out of a monstrous ****up without having a discussion
about just how monstrous the ****up is--or whether the ****up needed to
occur at all.

At this point, if there's a positive outcome, its almost an accident.

Well, maybe, but it's unfair to compare lesser countries to the US,
which suddenly and without warning or struggle internal or external,
came into existence as the perfect entity on June 21, 1788...

HTH,
R


I didn't think I was comparing Iraq to the US--I just think the whole
procedure could have gone a hell of alot smoother if the US were ready
for the aftermath of the invasion (you know, the aftermath predicted
fairly exactly by Bush I and his team!), and I believe I might have
expressed my whacked out opinion that there are plenty of financial
incentives to keep the cluster**** going -- so that's a pretty strange
rebuttal.

You do seem to have impressed our Alaskan buddy, though. Do you think I
could impress him too by counting to 22 without the help of a friend?


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