ribbing wulffs

Hi All,

Tying up a batch of small wulffs for a trip.

1) Do you guys rib them? They look better in my eye with some fine gold
wire or crystal flash, though this is not apparent on any pattern or
references.

2) Do you use deer or elk? Can you articulate what makes good hair?

3) When you tie in the wing is it about 1/2 way up the shank?

4) How long do you make the tails?

I ask 3 and 4 because I have had some problems with Wullf's riding on
their noses though they look fine.

Thanks very much,

TBone
Guilt replaced the creel...

On 27 Jun 2006 10:46:30 -0700, wrote:

Hi All,

Tying up a batch of small wulffs for a trip.

1) Do you guys rib them? They look better in my eye with some fine gold
wire or crystal flash, though this is not apparent on any pattern or
references.

2) Do you use deer or elk? Can you articulate what makes good hair?

3) When you tie in the wing is it about 1/2 way up the shank?

4) How long do you make the tails?

I ask 3 and 4 because I have had some problems with Wullf's riding on
their noses though they look fine.

Thanks very much,

TBone
Guilt replaced the creel...

What an idiotic post! What d'ya think this is a fly fishing forum or
sumptin. If you can't post something about Bush destroying the
universe, Rush Limbaugh taking Viagra, and if you are unwilling to
take out your dick and see how far you can ****, then you shouldn't be
here. Other than that, it's good to see you post again. d;o)

Dave

wrote:
On 27 Jun 2006 10:46:30 -0700, wrote:

Hi All,

Tying up a batch of small wulffs for a trip.

1) Do you guys rib them? They look better in my eye with some fine gold
wire or crystal flash, though this is not apparent on any pattern or
references.

2) Do you use deer or elk? Can you articulate what makes good hair?

3) When you tie in the wing is it about 1/2 way up the shank?

4) How long do you make the tails?

I ask 3 and 4 because I have had some problems with Wullf's riding on
their noses though they look fine.

Thanks very much,

TBone
Guilt replaced the creel...

What an idiotic post! What d'ya think this is a fly fishing forum or
sumptin. If you can't post something about Bush destroying the
universe, Rush Limbaugh taking Viagra, and if you are unwilling to
take out your dick and see how far you can ****, then you shouldn't be
here. Other than that, it's good to see you post again. d;o)

LOL - yeah I was actually a little afraid of posting someting on topic.
Do you ever tie Wulff's? Small sizes, they're great in the west.

OBROFF: Using very small sections of strike on indicator (about 1/4"
square), about 1 foot apart on a leader is a great way to keep the
'attitude' of a nymphed line in perspective while detecting movement
without really floating the fly.

Halfordian Golfer
Guilt replaced the creel

wrote:
... Wulff's? Small sizes, they're great in the
west.

Have you ever tried an H&L Variant? It's a peacock bodied dry fly like a
Royal Wullf without the red band, and with the back half of the peacock quil
de-flued, just the quill.
--
Stan Gula
http://gula.org/roffswaps

Stan Gula wrote:
wrote:
... Wulff's? Small sizes, they're great in the
west.

Have you ever tried an H&L Variant? It's a peacock bodied dry fly like a
Royal Wullf without the red band, and with the back half of the peacock quil
de-flued, just the quill.

Wierd coincedence that yesterday morning I was reading about the H&L
Variant in the first flytying book I ever owned (Jack Dennis' Western
Fly Tying) and thought in the small sizes it would be deadly and you
could see the things.

I'll have to tie some up.

Your pal,

TBone

wrote:

Hi All,

Tying up a batch of small wulffs for a trip.

1) Do you guys rib them? They look better in my eye with some fine gold
wire or crystal flash, though this is not apparent on any pattern or
references.

I use very fine silver wire on mine.

2) Do you use deer or elk? Can you articulate what makes good hair?

On the tails? I use moose. :-) It just looks buggy to my eye.

3) When you tie in the wing is it about 1/2 way up the shank?

Closer to 1/3 back from the eye. I also sometimes tie them on 2XL
hooks, 'cause it's easier for me to make them look nice that way.

4) How long do you make the tails?

About hook gap length or a little longer.

Of course, you should take everything I say with a grain of salt,
because I fish the majority of my time in warm water, and I didn't tie
my first Royal Wullf until a few years ago.

I'm sure one of the yanquis will be along real soon with some real help.


Chuck Vance (who when he first saw this thread title thought it
was about teasing Steve B.)

Conan The Librarian wrote:
wrote:

Hi All,

Tying up a batch of small wulffs for a trip.

1) Do you guys rib them? They look better in my eye with some fine gold
wire or crystal flash, though this is not apparent on any pattern or
references.

I use very fine silver wire on mine.

2) Do you use deer or elk? Can you articulate what makes good hair?

On the tails? I use moose. :-) It just looks buggy to my eye.

3) When you tie in the wing is it about 1/2 way up the shank?

Closer to 1/3 back from the eye. I also sometimes tie them on 2XL
hooks, 'cause it's easier for me to make them look nice that way.

4) How long do you make the tails?

About hook gap length or a little longer.

Of course, you should take everything I say with a grain of salt,
because I fish the majority of my time in warm water, and I didn't tie
my first Royal Wullf until a few years ago.

I'm sure one of the yanquis will be along real soon with some real help.
[snip]

Thanks Conan, something I'm trying to figure out on the Wullf's is if
the tail is 'weight' to balance the fly, and therefore should be about
as heavy as the wings, but shorter, rather than supporting the fly on
the water through a smaller diameter bunch of 1 shank length as in a
normal dry fly. Appreciate the comments.

TBone

wrote:

Conan The Librarian wrote:


Of course, you should take everything I say with a grain of salt,
because I fish the majority of my time in warm water, and I didn't tie
my first Royal Wullf until a few years ago.

I also can't spell "Wulff".

I'm sure one of the yanquis will be along real soon with some real help.

[snip]

Thanks Conan, something I'm trying to figure out on the Wullf's is if
the tail is 'weight' to balance the fly, and therefore should be about
as heavy as the wings, but shorter, rather than supporting the fly on
the water through a smaller diameter bunch of 1 shank length as in a
normal dry fly. Appreciate the comments.

FWIW, most of the store-bought RW I've seen do have a fairly thick
bunch of hair for the tail, so your counterbalance idea might have some
merit.

The way I've been tying mine seems to help with the problem of
"nose-heavy" flies, but will probably make the purists cringe. I use
"parapost" synthetics for the wing, and I don't always bother to post
the wings separately. *gasp*

The synthetic is lighter than calfhair, and creates less mass where
it's tied in. IME that makes for a fly that's less nose-heavy and neater.


Chuck Vance (who needs all the help he can get in the neatness
department)

On Tue, 27 Jun 2006 13:28:42 -0500, Conan The Librarian
wrote:

wrote:

Conan The Librarian wrote:


Of course, you should take everything I say with a grain of salt,
because I fish the majority of my time in warm water, and I didn't tie
my first Royal Wullf until a few years ago.

I also can't spell "Wulff".

I'm sure one of the yanquis will be along real soon with some real help.

[snip]

Thanks Conan, something I'm trying to figure out on the Wullf's is if
the tail is 'weight' to balance the fly, and therefore should be about
as heavy as the wings, but shorter, rather than supporting the fly on
the water through a smaller diameter bunch of 1 shank length as in a
normal dry fly. Appreciate the comments.

FWIW, most of the store-bought RW I've seen do have a fairly thick
bunch of hair for the tail, so your counterbalance idea might have some
merit.

The way I've been tying mine seems to help with the problem of
"nose-heavy" flies, but will probably make the purists cringe. I use
"parapost" synthetics for the wing, and I don't always bother to post
the wings separately. *gasp*

The synthetic is lighter than calfhair, and creates less mass where
it's tied in. IME that makes for a fly that's less nose-heavy and neater.


Chuck Vance (who needs all the help he can get in the neatness
department)

If I read y'alls posts correctly, and assuming y'all aren't _really_
overtying the wings, hackle, etc., the proportion between the hackle,
the lowest point of hook from the bend to the hook-point as the fly
should ride (generally, just back from the barb or trailing end of the
point), and the tail, and the imaginary line created by these three
points, with all such flies is important. IOW and for example, if
everything is alright save the tail (or hackle) being too short, it's
not gonna present properly. In such a case, you are creating a
"teeter-totter" effect.

As to material choice, use what works - it isn't an imitator and
Quackenbusch, Cross, and Wulff didn't invent flytying, fishing or
catching.

HTH,
R

wrote:
On Tue, 27 Jun 2006 13:28:42 -0500, Conan The Librarian
wrote:

wrote:

Conan The Librarian wrote:


Of course, you should take everything I say with a grain of salt,
because I fish the majority of my time in warm water, and I didn't tie
my first Royal Wullf until a few years ago.

I also can't spell "Wulff".

I'm sure one of the yanquis will be along real soon with some real help.

[snip]

Thanks Conan, something I'm trying to figure out on the Wullf's is if
the tail is 'weight' to balance the fly, and therefore should be about
as heavy as the wings, but shorter, rather than supporting the fly on
the water through a smaller diameter bunch of 1 shank length as in a
normal dry fly. Appreciate the comments.

FWIW, most of the store-bought RW I've seen do have a fairly thick
bunch of hair for the tail, so your counterbalance idea might have some
merit.

The way I've been tying mine seems to help with the problem of
"nose-heavy" flies, but will probably make the purists cringe. I use
"parapost" synthetics for the wing, and I don't always bother to post
the wings separately. *gasp*

The synthetic is lighter than calfhair, and creates less mass where
it's tied in. IME that makes for a fly that's less nose-heavy and neater.


Chuck Vance (who needs all the help he can get in the neatness
department)

If I read y'alls posts correctly, and assuming y'all aren't _really_
overtying the wings, hackle, etc., the proportion between the hackle,
the lowest point of hook from the bend to the hook-point as the fly
should ride (generally, just back from the barb or trailing end of the
point), and the tail, and the imaginary line created by these three
points, with all such flies is important. IOW and for example, if
everything is alright save the tail (or hackle) being too short, it's
not gonna present properly. In such a case, you are creating a
"teeter-totter" effect.

As to material choice, use what works - it isn't an imitator and
Quackenbusch, Cross, and Wulff didn't invent flytying, fishing or
catching.

I agree in principle but I was schooled differently on the Wullf...the
flies in this photograph do not have the proportions you alude to
right?

http://business.virgin.net/flyfishin...ulff-grey.html

Thanks guys, this has been bugging me, pun intended.

TBone