On track for a 2020 ban on sportsfishing?

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I don't want Tim to be right about this, because
****, I like to fish. Work sucks. My kids are grown.
Late in life the only pleasures left are the
the three f's of happines:
family friends and fishing (not fishing fighting and ****ing).
.....or maybe that's the 5 good things left.

But I have to say, despite all that, fishing is starting to lose its
alure.
When I drive up to Wolf Creek to fish the Missouri
and see 100 driftboats launching at once, I just
want to turn around and drive home. I have a lifelong friend
Randy who won't even fish in Montana anymore.

And yes, I know, because I make and popularize
driftboats, I'm guiltier than most. Byt blame isn't the point.
Crowded fishing conditions suck.

And there's a connection lurking there too, between
pain-in-the ass crowded fishing conditions and what Tim's been
talking about.

I remember when my dad and I first started fishing Sough Creek
and the Lamar in Yellowstone in the early 1960s. We'd fish
all week long and see maybe 2- 3 other fishermen.
And we knew all three of them. That's what I really liked about
fishing in
Montana, way back then. And those days are long gone, forever.


That's how I remember it too. There was a time, if you saw someone, or
a car, you were obliged to go somewhere else or make a damned good
effort to go up and around a long way above or below him to fish,
hopefully without him never being made aware of your presence. Fishing
to 'unspooked' fish was a primary quality of the experience. Then, to
go back to camp or home, with a few fish, eaten and never, ever wasted,
was the fishing experience. I remember the first time a 'guide' waded
right through my drift on the frying pan, I'll never forget that. I
don't think that they will ever be successful at eliminating
subsistence fishing, but, pure catch and release and no biological
management justification, will lose, and might lose to a popular vote
if put to it today.

Your pal,

Halfordian Golfer
Guilt replaced the creel


not too many days ago, i fished lower slough from the lamar junction, up
the lower canyon, and to the 1st parking lot trail...i knew 2 of the 5
people i saw on the water that day. it ain't all gone yet for those that
will look...

In article .com,
says...
That's what I really liked about
fishing in
Montana, way back then. And those days are long gone, forever.

Just wait until the boomers get too old to fish, the happy days
will be here again. Even with immigration, the US is below population
replacement level (just barely).

If people would just stop living longer......
- Ken

On Mon, 24 Jul 2006 18:45:35 -0700, Sandy.Pittendrigh wrote:


I don't want Tim to be right about this, because
****, I like to fish. Work sucks. My kids are grown.
Late in life the only pleasures left are the
the three f's of happines:
family friends and fishing (not fishing fighting and ****ing).
.....or maybe that's the 5 good things left.

But I have to say, despite all that, fishing is starting to lose its
alure.
When I drive up to Wolf Creek to fish the Missouri
and see 100 driftboats launching at once, I just
want to turn around and drive home. I have a lifelong friend
Randy who won't even fish in Montana anymore.

And yes, I know, because I make and popularize
driftboats, I'm guiltier than most. Byt blame isn't the point.
Crowded fishing conditions suck.

And there's a connection lurking there too, between
pain-in-the ass crowded fishing conditions and what Tim's been
talking about.

I remember when my dad and I first started fishing Sough Creek
and the Lamar in Yellowstone in the early 1960s. We'd fish
all week long and see maybe 2- 3 other fishermen.
And we knew all three of them. That's what I really liked about
fishing in
Montana, way back then. And those days are long gone, forever.

SP:

Back east, at least there are many unfishable, polluted, sterile streams.
Extractive industry ( coal in Pa. ) raped those streams in the 20th century.

I understand -- from silver and gold mine tailings -- Idaho is even worse
.... so now there's work to do. Can't just stick your hands in your pockets
and spit.

nss
********

In article .com,
says...
Years ago I made a prediction (here) that sports fishing would be
banned around the year 2020 and that pure, Catch and Release fishing
would be causal for this.

Hopefully you'll still be around in 2020. I'll enjoy laughing at
you. ;-)


Bottom line, if you want to preserve fishing develop a taste for fish.
Kill what you catch and then quit. It is the only way folks.

BS!
- Ken

wrote:
In article .com,
says...
Years ago I made a prediction (here) that sports fishing would be
banned around the year 2020 and that pure, Catch and Release fishing
would be causal for this.

Hopefully you'll still be around in 2020. I'll enjoy laughing at
you. ;-)
[snip]

And it will start with the state parks.

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Your pal,

Halfordian Golfer
It is impossible to catch and release a wild trout.

On 25 Jul 2006 06:55:16 -0700, wrote:

And it will start with the state parks.

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Your pal,

Halfordian Golfer
It is impossible to catch and release a wild trout.

When you and your PETA buddies come to Georgia to shut down put and take fishing
in the state parks, let me know. It should be fun to watch.
--
Charlie...
http://www.chocphoto.com

"Charlie Choc" wrote in message
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On 25 Jul 2006 06:55:16 -0700, wrote:

And it will start with the state parks.

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Your pal,

Halfordian Golfer
It is impossible to catch and release a wild trout.

When you and your PETA buddies come to Georgia to shut down put and take
fishing
in the state parks, let me know. It should be fun to watch.

Things change......sometimes. It is entirely possible that "sport" angling
is doomed.....eventually. It even seems highly likely to me, for reasons
that it would obviously be futile to go into here.

That said, I agree with you given the time span that timmy has stipulated
for the success of his venture. If the slavering anti-fishing hordes invade
the backwoods of northern Curdistan or da Yoop in 2020 the venture will lend
new and poignant meaning to the term "blood sport."

Wolfgang

Wolfgang wrote:
"Charlie Choc" wrote in message
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On 25 Jul 2006 06:55:16 -0700, wrote:

And it will start with the state parks.

----------
http://www.consumerfreedom.com/news_.../headline/1129
http://www.animalrights.net/archives...02/000019.html
http://www.peta.com/living/AT-Spring1999/actions.html
----------

Your pal,

Halfordian Golfer
It is impossible to catch and release a wild trout.

When you and your PETA buddies come to Georgia to shut down put and take
fishing
in the state parks, let me know. It should be fun to watch.

Things change......sometimes. It is entirely possible that "sport" angling
is doomed.....eventually. It even seems highly likely to me, for reasons
that it would obviously be futile to go into here.

That said, I agree with you given the time span that timmy has stipulated
for the success of his venture. If the slavering anti-fishing hordes invade
the backwoods of northern Curdistan or da Yoop in 2020 the venture will lend
new and poignant meaning to the term "blood sport."

That attitude, and basic unpreparedness, is precisely what will win it
for them.

Your pal,

TBone

wrote in message
oups.com...
Years ago I made a prediction (here) that sports fishing would be
banned around the year 2020 and that pure, Catch and Release fishing
would be causal for this.



Tim - I am disappointed that after some years hiatus all you can come up
with is the same old PETA/AR Loon propaganda and that tired old paper from a
committee funded by Norway's department of agriculture - which was not the
Ministry that even had jurisdiction over sport fishing in that country. The
paper like most government commissioned papers was meaningless and ignored.

For the sake of amusement - how do you see this ban progressing? Given that
many states (and the Province in Canada I live in) have legislation
guaranteeing the right to fish, what political jurisdictions do you think
will be the bell weather locations for the progression of the ban? Can you
name one jurisdiction where such a ban has had serious political momentum?

Any "nobody" can make a predcition for anything 15 to 25 years out.
Hopefully we will all be around in 14 years or so to see if your prediction
comes true or if it is even close to happening for the reasons you say.
--
Some of my angling snaps:

http://gallery.fishbc.com/gallery/vi...bumName=RalphH

RalphH wrote:
wrote in message
oups.com...
Years ago I made a prediction (here) that sports fishing would be
banned around the year 2020 and that pure, Catch and Release fishing
would be causal for this.



Tim - I am disappointed that after some years hiatus all you can come up
with is the same old PETA/AR Loon propaganda and that tired old paper from a
committee funded by Norway's department of agriculture - which was not the
Ministry that even had jurisdiction over sport fishing in that country. The
paper like most government commissioned papers was meaningless and ignored.

For the sake of amusement - how do you see this ban progressing? Given that
many states (and the Province in Canada I live in) have legislation
guaranteeing the right to fish, what political jurisdictions do you think
will be the bell weather locations for the progression of the ban? Can you
name one jurisdiction where such a ban has had serious political momentum?
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Hi Ralph,

As I have already documented, starting with the state parks.

http://www.animalrights.net/archives...02/000019.html
http://www.mosportsmen.com/fishing/fishnews2.htm
http://www.consumerfreedom.com/news_.../headline/1129

Your pal,

TBone
Guilt replaced the creel.