Tail end of the Pmd hatch

JR wrote:

[parachute vs. standard Adams]

True, it sits lower, but my experience about which the fish prefer is
the opposite.

(2) I hate tying the wings onto a traditional Adams.

I dislike that less than I dislike tying off the horizontally wound hackle.

Strangely enough, I find tying off a parachute hackle to be a simple
operation. I know when I first started tying trout (vs. bass) flies a
couple of years ago, I was intimidated by the parachute tie. Everyone
had advice about how to handle the "tricky" step of tying and securing
the hackle.

Maybe it's because I taught myself using Harry Mason's excellent
tutorial, but I find a parachute to be the easiest dry tie of them all.
There are a couple of important steps, like wrapping the hackle stem
up the post, bending the stem before winding, holding the hackle back
out of the way when tying off at the eye, but all of those operations
take about as long to write about as to actually perform.

(4) I can see it better. (Different folks, different strokes.) I use
white Antron for the post.

I see it worse. Sits low in the water, you know. g

That's why I tie mine with a chartreuse post. :-) And the fish
don't seem to mind. In fact, earlier in this thread I mentioned
catching a fish on a sunken para Adams. That fly had a chartreuse post.
:-)


Chuck Vance (who if forced to pick one fly would go to a #16 para
Adams and have complete confidence that it would work)

On 7/25/06 4:42 PM, in article , "Wolfgang"
wrote:

I find it odd that so many fly fishers give both wet flies and streamers
short shrift these days. Both can be every bit as effective, useless,
demanding, frustrating, and rewarding as fishing with dries or nymphs. Both
broaden the range of techniques available the fisher and the tier, and both
increase the likelihood of finding something that will work when nothing
else does.

Watching a fish chase and attack a streamer or a wet is every bit as
exciting as seeing it come up for a dry.....and the spectacle typically
lasts longer.

I've been doing a fair amount of streamer fishing this year and am quite
enjoying it. Frequently it is as visual as watching a rise to a dry, and as
you say, seeing the chase is quite a spectacle. In the spring, our local TU
chapter had a day out on some nice water and I watched a 20+" rainbow come
out from under a log jam to slam the coachman wet I had on. THAT was some
adrenaline. And as the MA boys will tell you, that same fly was somewhat
effective at their elusive Secret Spot �, although in that case it was a
blind hook up.

Somewhere around mid June I was reading some darned thing or another
(nothing notable enough to make it into my reading journal, probably one of
the rags) that denigrated streamer fishing as basically half a notch removed
from bait. I mean, I guess it sort of is, but couldn't *all* of our flies,
dry, wet or otherwise, be considered imitations of bait? So why denigrate?

Bill

On 7/26/06 7:51 AM, in article , "Conan The
Librarian" wrote:

Maybe we should talk about handtools vs. powertools instead. :-)

Well, you gotta at least pick something that is debatable!

Dewey vs. LC?

:-)

Bill

In article ,
says...
Maybe we should talk about handtools vs. powertools instead. :-)

Well, you gotta at least pick something that is debatable!


I'll start! We just tore down our deck and re-built it, the old
deck having succumbed to a terminal case of dry rot. I suppose that
I could have built it without a reciprocating saw, circular saw,
compound miter saw, cordless electric drill, air compressor and
pneumatic framing nailer, but I sure as hell wouldn't have wanted
to. I will admit to feeling virtuous when I watch a paper thin
shaving curl up out of a handplane, but I don't think that cross
cutting 2x6's with hand saw would give me the same warm fuzzy
feeling, especially not when it's 95 out.

Kevin
(and yes, I know that building a deck isn't really woodworking...)
--
reply to: kevin dot vang at minotstateu dot edu

Kevin Vang typed:
In article ,
says...
Maybe we should talk about handtools vs. powertools instead.
:-)
Well, you gotta at least pick something that is debatable!

I'll start! We just tore down our deck and re-built it, the old
deck having succumbed to a terminal case of dry rot. I suppose that
I could have built it without a reciprocating saw, circular saw,
compound miter saw, cordless electric drill, air compressor and
pneumatic framing nailer, but I sure as hell wouldn't have wanted
to. I will admit to feeling virtuous when I watch a paper thin
shaving curl up out of a handplane, but I don't think that cross
cutting 2x6's with hand saw would give me the same warm fuzzy
feeling, especially not when it's 95 out.

You da man, Kevin! Power tools *rock*! I am disappointed, however, that no
2-cycle chain saws were used.

(and yes, I know that building a deck isn't really woodworking...)

If it's made out of wood and you're working, it's woodworking. G
--
TL,
Tim
-------------------------
http://css.sbcma.com/timj

In article ,
lid says...
You da man, Kevin! Power tools *rock*! I am disappointed, however, that no
2-cycle chain saws were used.


If I had one, I would have used it!

Kevin
--
reply to: kevin dot vang at minotstateu dot edu

"Kevin Vang" wrote in message
t...
In article ,
says...
Maybe we should talk about handtools vs. powertools instead. :-)

Well, you gotta at least pick something that is debatable!


I'll start! We just tore down our deck and re-built it, the old
deck having succumbed to a terminal case of dry rot. I suppose that
I could have built it without a reciprocating saw, circular saw,
compound miter saw, cordless electric drill, air compressor and
pneumatic framing nailer, but I sure as hell wouldn't have wanted
to. I will admit to feeling virtuous when I watch a paper thin
shaving curl up out of a handplane, but I don't think that cross
cutting 2x6's with hand saw would give me the same warm fuzzy
feeling, especially not when it's 95 out.

Hm......

Well, a compressor and a couple few pneumatic nailers are certainly "must
have" tools, but for a deck?

We just built our own deck a couple of weeks ago. This was our first major
project in a couple of years (the fence we did last summer doesn't really
qualify as "major"). Prior to that, we built about 8 decks and 2 16 foot
gazebos over the course of the last 7 years. The only time we used nails
was for joist hangers and for shingles on the gazebos. Everything else is
done with screws.....well, except for a few carriage bolts on the framing.
A boy MUST have dedicated electric screw shooters, and cordless (as handy as
they are for other applications) simply will not do.

"Reciprocating saw" is kinda vague. In fact, a boy needs both a Sawzall
(Milwaukee Electric Tool's proprietary name for their product......and
Milwaukee still makes the best on the market) for heavy duty work, and a
smaller portable jig saw for tight curves, stop cuts, etc.

And where the hell are your belt sander, electric planer, disc grinder,
hammer drill, heavy duty 1/2 inch drill, etc.?

Kevin
(and yes, I know that building a deck isn't really woodworking...)

Sacrilege!

Wolfgang

On 7/26/06 12:52 PM, in article , "Wolfgang"
wrote:

"Reciprocating saw" is kinda vague. In fact, a boy needs both a Sawzall
(Milwaukee Electric Tool's proprietary name for their product......and
Milwaukee still makes the best on the market)

Oh, I dunno, my Bosch Panther recip is pretty nice.

Bill

(d'oh! Did I say that out loud??? :-)

On 7/26/06 11:28 AM, in article
, "Kevin Vang"
wrote:

In article ,
says...
Maybe we should talk about handtools vs. powertools instead. :-)

Well, you gotta at least pick something that is debatable!


I'll start! We just tore down our deck and re-built it, the old
deck having succumbed to a terminal case of dry rot. I suppose that
I could have built it without a reciprocating saw, circular saw,
compound miter saw, cordless electric drill, air compressor and
pneumatic framing nailer, but I sure as hell wouldn't have wanted
to.

I guess that's why they make both chocolate AND vanilla. :-)

I will admit to feeling virtuous when I watch a paper thin
shaving curl up out of a handplane, but

Virtuous? Hell, it gives some folks an orgasm!

I don't think that cross
cutting 2x6's with hand saw would give me the same warm fuzzy
feeling, especially not when it's 95 out.

While it is not debatable that doing so wouldn't give Kevin Vang the same
warm fuzzies, some may disagree, and rightfully so.

I'll admit to using each and every one of those tools you list (some more
than others) but at the end of the day, while I'll stand back and have a
certain feeling of satisfaction of a job well done, I won't get any warm
fuzzy feelings.

I would suggest that you try x-cutting some 2x stock with a well sharpened
hand saw- preferably a comfy-handled vintage Disston- and see what you
think. I'll suggest that if you do, you might well stand back from the saw
horses and think "I did THAT? That EASILY? With a HAND saw?"

Or, then again, you might not. :-)

I'll also add that if speed in finishing a project is important to you, hand
tool carpentry might not be the way to go. Currently I'm working on* a
firewood crib. I'm using the project to practice timber framing and am
primarily relying on hand tool joinery. I started last summer. It isn't
even standing yet. But I'll have warm fuzzies not just when it is done, but
during as well. And the usual plusses of hand tool work apply- the kids can
help, the cat doesn't disappear three backyards away, I can work early
morning or evening without ****ing off the neighbors, ...

(and yes, I know that building a deck isn't really woodworking...)

Ain't no shame in carpentry. No more'n in fishing streamers. :-)

Bill

*So in this case, "working on" means the timbers are out back, the design is
in my head, and I'm just waiting for some cooler weather to really have at
it.

William Claspy wrote:

On 7/26/06 11:28 AM, in article
, "Kevin Vang"
wrote:

I will admit to feeling virtuous when I watch a paper thin
shaving curl up out of a handplane, but

Virtuous? Hell, it gives some folks an orgasm!

I dunno about orgasms, but there is a certain tactile pleasure to
seeing a one-sided shaving go floating towards the ceiling and then
being able to see your reflection in the surface left on the board.

Especially if it's some really nasty quilted maple or curly koa or
such.

And a "paper thin" shaving is *way* too thick. :-)

I don't think that cross
cutting 2x6's with hand saw would give me the same warm fuzzy
feeling, especially not when it's 95 out.

While it is not debatable that doing so wouldn't give Kevin Vang the same
warm fuzzies, some may disagree, and rightfully so.

I'll admit to using each and every one of those tools you list (some more
than others) but at the end of the day, while I'll stand back and have a
certain feeling of satisfaction of a job well done, I won't get any warm
fuzzy feelings.

I would suggest that you try x-cutting some 2x stock with a well sharpened
hand saw- preferably a comfy-handled vintage Disston- and see what you
think. I'll suggest that if you do, you might well stand back from the saw
horses and think "I did THAT? That EASILY? With a HAND saw?"

Or, then again, you might not. :-)

When I built my workbench I ripped all the wood for it with a
nicely-tuned no-name ripsaw. Nothing like handsawing 15 5'+ long 2x
strips to keep you warm on a cold(ish) January day in Texas. :-)

Of course my neighbor drove by while I was working, saw me leaning
over my ripping horse (different beast from a pain old "sawhorse") and
hollered out, "Ya need to getya a skilsaur, Chuck".

After I shot him the finger it dawned on me that not everyone might
think of what I was doing as good exercise ... or totally sane, for that
matter. :-)

I'll also add that if speed in finishing a project is important to you, hand
tool carpentry might not be the way to go. Currently I'm working on* a
firewood crib. I'm using the project to practice timber framing and am
primarily relying on hand tool joinery. I started last summer. It isn't
even standing yet. But I'll have warm fuzzies not just when it is done, but
during as well. And the usual plusses of hand tool work apply- the kids can
help, the cat doesn't disappear three backyards away, I can work early
morning or evening without ****ing off the neighbors, ...

Amen. I can listen to the birds, and many's the time I've been
working away only to look up and see a deer or three no more than 10-15'
away staring at me intently.

Of course, they might also be thinking I need to get me a skilsaw.
It's hard to tell with them.

Another true story: I had been working away on whatever the project
du jour was, while some wasps were going about their business building a
nest right on the garage overhang. They didn't bother me ... I didn't
bother them. I got my routah out to do some roundingovah with my
roundingovah bit (tm, Nahm), and as soon as I fired it up, I had a bunch
of ****ed off wasps. Must have been the wrong frequency (Kenneth) or
something.

When I stopped the routah they went back to their business.

(and yes, I know that building a deck isn't really woodworking...)

Ain't no shame in carpentry. No more'n in fishing streamers. :-)

Ahem. :-)

Bill

*So in this case, "working on" means the timbers are out back, the design is
in my head, and I'm just waiting for some cooler weather to really have at
it.

Hey, if that's the criteria, I've got a dozen projects I'm working
on. :-)


Chuck Vance (wait until I tell SWMBO ... she'll be delighted)