Knot to replace Blood Knot?

riverman wrote:

Hmm, which is stronger; a surgeon's or a blood knot? I think factors
other than breaking strength play a role, because if the blood knot is
stronger, then the only reason to use a surgeon's because its easier to
tie.

A well-tied Surgeon's is close to 100%. That's tough to beat.

And if the surgeon's is stronger, then the only reason to use a
blood knot is to have a straight connection.

A well-tied Surgeon's makes an excellent straight connection. I didn't
used to think so before I really learned how to tie it. Are you sure
you're tying it correctly?

If this Zeppelin thing is
weaker than both, but not significantly so, then it might be a good
compromise for, say, small spooky trout where you want a nice straight
leader, and maximum breaking strength is not necessary, but you don't
want to bother tying a blood knot.

I think it's significantly weaker. Very significantly. Of course, that
opinion is based on one trial. :-)

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On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 21:26:12 -0600, rw
wrote:

well-tied Surgeon's makes an excellent straight connection. I didn't
used to think so before I really learned how to tie it. Are you sure
you're tying it correctly?


I started using a triple Surgeons this year... so far it appears to be
a bit stronger than the standard double surgeons.The trick is to pull
both tag ends through the loop together at the same time, at least
twice I don't have the where with all to tye a blood knot tippet to
leader connection. I mean in the wind, at dusk...just too much
trouble.
I have buddies who swear by the BN. They carry the little tool and
spend huge amounts of prime time tying tippets on...
Harry
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bones wrote:
On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 21:26:12 -0600, rw
wrote:


well-tied Surgeon's makes an excellent straight connection. I didn't
used to think so before I really learned how to tie it. Are you sure
you're tying it correctly?



I started using a triple Surgeons this year...

Why not? It only takes almost 50% more time than a double Surgeons's. :-)

The key to a good Surgeon's Knot is seating it. Both loops should seat
uniformly. Easier said than done.

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On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 22:19:02 -0600, rw
wrote:

bones wrote:
On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 21:26:12 -0600, rw
wrote:


well-tied Surgeon's makes an excellent straight connection. I didn't
used to think so before I really learned how to tie it. Are you sure
you're tying it correctly?



I started using a triple Surgeons this year...

Why not? It only takes almost 50% more time than a double Surgeons's. :-)

The key to a good Surgeon's Knot is seating it. Both loops should seat
uniformly. Easier said than done.

Well, if it breaks half as often I'm ahead of the game :-)

I find that if you pull both tags simultaneously through the loop and
pinch in place between thumb and forefinger the set is easier...
moistening the knot prior to the cinch is a must.

Of course, the knot makes not difference if one is into Tarpon strikes
on an 18" trout.:-)


Do a goggle of Surgeon's knot ... it gets interesting :-)




Harry
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bones wrote:

Do a goggle of Surgeon's knot ... it gets interesting :-)

I haven't done that Google search, but my understanding is that surgeons
don't use the Surgeon's Knot. :-)

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On Thu, 03 Aug 2006 22:50:28 -0600, rw
wrote:

bones wrote:

Do a goggle of Surgeon's knot ... it gets interesting :-)

I haven't done that Google search, but my understanding is that surgeons
don't use the Surgeon's Knot. :-)


super glue ...
Harry
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