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On 7 Aug 2006 07:36:31 -0700, "duty-honor-country"
wrote: Snip ps- my spinning reel is a Shimano 4000 that handles up to 12 lb. line. I see absolutely no advantage to a baitcaster using 12 pound line in comparison, and a lot of aggravation from backlash tangles with the latter. There would have to be a pressing need for hauling in 15+ lb. fish on a regular basis, to make a baitcaster worthwhile, such as an entry level baitcaster that handles 20 pound line. Where's the advantage to a reel, that you have to monitor with thumb pressure to prevent backlashes- to catch sub-12 lb. fish ? The spinning rod/reel combo I have now handles 3/4 oz. lures without problem. One can buy about 5 entry-level spinning reels for the price of one good baitcaster. Suffice to say, those 5 reels would last a long, long time overall. I have had cheap spinning reels fall apart eventually- from heavy use, dirt, falling in the water, lack of oiling- but it took 20 years of such abuse to destroy them. And all the while, they casted further and easier, with less tangles, than a baitcaster would. There simply is not a lot of places to fish, where you catch 5 bass all over 10 pounds in one day. That's the exception, not the rule. That's TV tourney fishing- not everyday real world. Two things come to mind after reading your posts. One, someone embarressed the living daylites out of you because of your inability to master a modern baitcaster in two days time. This could be caused by several things. You might be unable to afford the $125 to 200 for a quality baitcaster. You might be unable to ask someone for instruction in the proper use of a baitcaster. You might be physically unable to control a baitcaster. Oh the list could go on and on. Two, from your rantings I would place you in the troll catigory...The real poor skills, semi-intelegent dweeb type troll. I do not have to put forth anything more than your rantings to prove this point, you have done all the work for me. Now, if you really want to know how to use a baitcaster properly, take your attitude and shove it. Come back in a week or so and apologize for your uncalled for behaviour and ask for advice on how to use the specific brand baitcaster you failed to master. I am sure someone here will be willing to help you out. If not, it's your loss not mine. PLONKED the troll! |
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Dan, danl, Redbeard uh Greybeard now wrote:
"duty-honor-country" wrote: Snip ps- my spinning reel is a Shimano 4000 that handles up to 12 lb. line. I see absolutely no advantage to a baitcaster using 12 pound line in comparison, and a lot of aggravation from backlash tangles with the latter. ... snip Two, from your rantings I would place you in the troll catigory...The real poor skills, semi-intelegent dweeb type troll. I do not have to put forth anything more than your rantings to prove this point, you have done all the work for me. ... Damn man, that's harsh. Mr. d-h-c sounds to me like an opinionated old cuss looking for an argument. Kinda like a lot of fishermen I know. Usenet isn't very conducive to the kind of arguments that would seem perfectly OK when seated next to someone at the bar quaffing a brew. I'm willing to give Mr. d-h-c the benefit of the doubt and if I disagreed with him I'd argue it with him with a good nature and my tongue in cheek. But I tried to cast with my Dad's old Ambasseuder 5000 and never could get the hang of the damn thing, so I basically agree with Mr. d-h-c. 1/2 :-) -- Ken Fortenberry |
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"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
m... Dan, danl, Redbeard uh Greybeard now wrote: "duty-honor-country" wrote: Snip ps- my spinning reel is a Shimano 4000 that handles up to 12 lb. line. I see absolutely no advantage to a baitcaster using 12 pound line in comparison, and a lot of aggravation from backlash tangles with the latter. ... snip Two, from your rantings I would place you in the troll catigory...The real poor skills, semi-intelegent dweeb type troll. I do not have to put forth anything more than your rantings to prove this point, you have done all the work for me. ... Damn man, that's harsh. Mr. d-h-c sounds to me like an opinionated old cuss looking for an argument. Kinda like a lot of fishermen I know. Usenet isn't very conducive to the kind of arguments that would seem perfectly OK when seated next to someone at the bar quaffing a brew. I'm willing to give Mr. d-h-c the benefit of the doubt and if I disagreed with him I'd argue it with him with a good nature and my tongue in cheek. But I tried to cast with my Dad's old Ambasseuder 5000 and never could get the hang of the damn thing, so I basically agree with Mr. d-h-c. 1/2 :-) Never had a 5000, but we had a bunch of 5000D models for catfishing and they were great. They could crank a catfish out of hole like a Warn winch pulling a Volkswagon out of a ditch. We could also cast them pretty accurately for distance when we took the time to adjust them for the weight of the lure used. I bet I could even pitch with one, but I'm not sure why I would want to. The size is the big hold up on that reel. Give me a low profile baitcasting reel anyday of the week for that. For the overhand guys... you can snap cast with a spinning rig too. You are not limited to big overhand casts. I side armed and did a variation of a circle cast with a spinning rod that I taught myself as a kid. It was the only way to get that precise placement I needed to drop spinners and spoons along weed edges when I was walking the Gila River. -- Bob La Londe www.YumaBassMan.com -- Ken Fortenberry |
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Bob La Londe wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote: ... But I tried to cast with my Dad's old Ambasseuder 5000 and never could get the hang of the damn thing, so I basically agree with Mr. d-h-c. 1/2 :-) Never had a 5000, but we had a bunch of 5000D models for catfishing and they were great. They could crank a catfish out of hole like a Warn winch pulling a Volkswagon out of a ditch. ... Funny, I compare it to a winch too but in a disparaging way. I just don't see the challenge in catching a 10 pound fish on 20 lb. test. Hell, you watch some of the stuff on the TV and those guys may as well just push a button. Fish on, zip, fish in the boat. Phooey on that. A challenge is catching a 15 pound fish on 4X 6.4 lb. test. And I'm not talkin' about using 4X just to make a game of it, I'm talking about fishing for Michigan steelhead using a size 14 black stonefly nymph where that's the biggest fly that will work and 4X is the thickest piece of nylon that will fit through the eye of the hook. Now *that's* a challenge, and a workout for the drag on your fly reel, and a test of your skill in applying just the right amount of pressure with the fly rod. -- Ken Fortenberry - not trolling ... well, not too much ;-) |
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![]() "Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message ... Bob La Londe wrote: "Ken Fortenberry" wrote: ... But I tried to cast with my Dad's old Ambasseuder 5000 and never could get the hang of the damn thing, so I basically agree with Mr. d-h-c. 1/2 :-) Never had a 5000, but we had a bunch of 5000D models for catfishing and they were great. They could crank a catfish out of hole like a Warn winch pulling a Volkswagon out of a ditch. ... Funny, I compare it to a winch too but in a disparaging way. I just don't see the challenge in catching a 10 pound fish on 20 lb. test. Hell, you watch some of the stuff on the TV and those guys may as well just push a button. Fish on, zip, fish in the boat. Phooey on that. A challenge is catching a 15 pound fish on 4X 6.4 lb. test. And I'm not talkin' about using 4X just to make a game of it, I'm talking about fishing for Michigan steelhead using a size 14 black stonefly nymph where that's the biggest fly that will work and 4X is the thickest piece of nylon that will fit through the eye of the hook. Now *that's* a challenge, and a workout for the drag on your fly reel, and a test of your skill in applying just the right amount of pressure with the fly rod. -- Ken Fortenberry - not trolling ... well, not too much ;-) I think you hit the nail on the head Ken....... trolling. Mr. DHC has suckered the whole damn group into a lot of chest thumping and hyperventilating. IMHO of course. Joe Z ;-) |
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![]() Joe Z wrote: "Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message ... Bob La Londe wrote: "Ken Fortenberry" wrote: ... But I tried to cast with my Dad's old Ambasseuder 5000 and never could get the hang of the damn thing, so I basically agree with Mr. d-h-c. 1/2 :-) Never had a 5000, but we had a bunch of 5000D models for catfishing and they were great. They could crank a catfish out of hole like a Warn winch pulling a Volkswagon out of a ditch. ... Funny, I compare it to a winch too but in a disparaging way. I just don't see the challenge in catching a 10 pound fish on 20 lb. test. Hell, you watch some of the stuff on the TV and those guys may as well just push a button. Fish on, zip, fish in the boat. Phooey on that. A challenge is catching a 15 pound fish on 4X 6.4 lb. test. And I'm not talkin' about using 4X just to make a game of it, I'm talking about fishing for Michigan steelhead using a size 14 black stonefly nymph where that's the biggest fly that will work and 4X is the thickest piece of nylon that will fit through the eye of the hook. Now *that's* a challenge, and a workout for the drag on your fly reel, and a test of your skill in applying just the right amount of pressure with the fly rod. -- Ken Fortenberry - not trolling ... well, not too much ;-) I think you hit the nail on the head Ken....... trolling. Mr. DHC has suckered the whole damn group into a lot of chest thumping and hyperventilating. IMHO of course. Joe Z ;-) hey, chest thumping and hyper-ventilating is part of being a man. I shoot guns, race cars with big V-8's in them, and fish. You don't see bass pros or NASCAR drivers who are successful, without a bit of an ego. So this is a good thing. I set out to find out WHY someone would put up with all the downfalls of a baitcaster- and it seems to be, for the cranking in capability. It's certainly not for the casting ability, because they are inferior casting machines. It seems many have been suckered in by advertising ploys. Now that bass pros are showing up with spinning and spincasting reels, it's obvious even the pros aren't buying into this baitcaster line 100%. Who wants to fish with a 3/4 oz. lure all the time ? |
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Your total ineptness with baitcasting equipment is the real problem here. My
14 year old DAUGHTER can use one with ease. I taught her. You may be toooooooo proud to actually "learn" from someone else with your chest stuck out so far.Do us all a favor and make it your DUTY- to learn to use one. HONOR- us all by not being a blowhard whiner. COUNTRY- move to another one. Or, be a man and admit you can't or won't learn from someone that can teach you. Otherwise, just shut up! This thread had gotten way too much attention. I'm done. "duty-honor-country" wrote in message oups.com... Joe Z wrote: "Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message ... Bob La Londe wrote: "Ken Fortenberry" wrote: ... But I tried to cast with my Dad's old Ambasseuder 5000 and never could get the hang of the damn thing, so I basically agree with Mr. d-h-c. 1/2 :-) Never had a 5000, but we had a bunch of 5000D models for catfishing and they were great. They could crank a catfish out of hole like a Warn winch pulling a Volkswagon out of a ditch. ... Funny, I compare it to a winch too but in a disparaging way. I just don't see the challenge in catching a 10 pound fish on 20 lb. test. Hell, you watch some of the stuff on the TV and those guys may as well just push a button. Fish on, zip, fish in the boat. Phooey on that. A challenge is catching a 15 pound fish on 4X 6.4 lb. test. And I'm not talkin' about using 4X just to make a game of it, I'm talking about fishing for Michigan steelhead using a size 14 black stonefly nymph where that's the biggest fly that will work and 4X is the thickest piece of nylon that will fit through the eye of the hook. Now *that's* a challenge, and a workout for the drag on your fly reel, and a test of your skill in applying just the right amount of pressure with the fly rod. -- Ken Fortenberry - not trolling ... well, not too much ;-) I think you hit the nail on the head Ken....... trolling. Mr. DHC has suckered the whole damn group into a lot of chest thumping and hyperventilating. IMHO of course. Joe Z ;-) hey, chest thumping and hyper-ventilating is part of being a man. I shoot guns, race cars with big V-8's in them, and fish. You don't see bass pros or NASCAR drivers who are successful, without a bit of an ego. So this is a good thing. I set out to find out WHY someone would put up with all the downfalls of a baitcaster- and it seems to be, for the cranking in capability. It's certainly not for the casting ability, because they are inferior casting machines. It seems many have been suckered in by advertising ploys. Now that bass pros are showing up with spinning and spincasting reels, it's obvious even the pros aren't buying into this baitcaster line 100%. Who wants to fish with a 3/4 oz. lure all the time ? |
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![]() Bob La Londe wrote: "Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message m... Dan, danl, Redbeard uh Greybeard now wrote: "duty-honor-country" wrote: Snip ps- my spinning reel is a Shimano 4000 that handles up to 12 lb. line. I see absolutely no advantage to a baitcaster using 12 pound line in comparison, and a lot of aggravation from backlash tangles with the latter. ... snip Two, from your rantings I would place you in the troll catigory...The real poor skills, semi-intelegent dweeb type troll. I do not have to put forth anything more than your rantings to prove this point, you have done all the work for me. ... Damn man, that's harsh. Mr. d-h-c sounds to me like an opinionated old cuss looking for an argument. Kinda like a lot of fishermen I know. Usenet isn't very conducive to the kind of arguments that would seem perfectly OK when seated next to someone at the bar quaffing a brew. I'm willing to give Mr. d-h-c the benefit of the doubt and if I disagreed with him I'd argue it with him with a good nature and my tongue in cheek. But I tried to cast with my Dad's old Ambasseuder 5000 and never could get the hang of the damn thing, so I basically agree with Mr. d-h-c. 1/2 :-) Never had a 5000, but we had a bunch of 5000D models for catfishing and they were great. They could crank a catfish out of hole like a Warn winch pulling a Volkswagon out of a ditch. We could also cast them pretty accurately for distance when we took the time to adjust them for the weight of the lure used. I bet I could even pitch with one, but I'm not sure why I would want to. The size is the big hold up on that reel. Give me a low profile baitcasting reel anyday of the week for that. For the overhand guys... you can snap cast with a spinning rig too. You are not limited to big overhand casts. I side armed and did a variation of a circle cast with a spinning rod that I taught myself as a kid. It was the only way to get that precise placement I needed to drop spinners and spoons along weed edges when I was walking the Gila River. -- Bob La Londe www.YumaBassMan.com -- Ken Fortenberry exactly !! Fish a small stream in the thick woods and brush- you can forget overhead casting- it's all sidearm, and pulling loose line out to toss. good post |
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![]() Ken Fortenberry wrote: Dan, danl, Redbeard uh Greybeard now wrote: "duty-honor-country" wrote: Snip ps- my spinning reel is a Shimano 4000 that handles up to 12 lb. line. I see absolutely no advantage to a baitcaster using 12 pound line in comparison, and a lot of aggravation from backlash tangles with the latter. ... snip Two, from your rantings I would place you in the troll catigory...The real poor skills, semi-intelegent dweeb type troll. I do not have to put forth anything more than your rantings to prove this point, you have done all the work for me. ... Damn man, that's harsh. Mr. d-h-c sounds to me like an opinionated old cuss looking for an argument. Kinda like a lot of fishermen I know. Usenet isn't very conducive to the kind of arguments that would seem perfectly OK when seated next to someone at the bar quaffing a brew. I'm willing to give Mr. d-h-c the benefit of the doubt and if I disagreed with him I'd argue it with him with a good nature and my tongue in cheek. But I tried to cast with my Dad's old Ambasseuder 5000 and never could get the hang of the damn thing, so I basically agree with Mr. d-h-c. 1/2 :-) -- Ken Fortenberry thanks !! not opinionated, just scratching my head and wondering "where's the beef" with this contraption. FWIW, I could buy the best rod and reel made on the planet today- and it would be like pocket change to me. But I have a funny feeling it would give only slightly better results. These baitcasters obviously need very heavy lures and line to make them cast with minimal hassle. I just don't see the advantage in a lake where the biggest fish is a 6 or 8 pound bass. My spinning reel will take that no problem. |
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![]() DHC wrote-- FWIW, I could buy the best rod and reel made on the planet today- and it would be like pocket change to me. But I have a funny feeling it would give only slightly better results. These baitcasters obviously need very heavy lures and line to make them cast with minimal hassle. I just don't see the advantage in a lake where the biggest fish is a 6 or 8 pound bass. My spinning reel will take that no problem. .. Hookesets are better IMO, accuracy and distance all improve when I'm using a baitcaster. I also think I can work baits better with a baitcaster. I can put baits in places that I'm unable to do with a spinning set up, and backlash's are limited when you learn to use the tools properly. JMO |
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