why would anyone bother with a baitcasting reel for freshwater ?

"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
m...
Dan, danl, Redbeard uh Greybeard now wrote:
"duty-honor-country" wrote:
Snip
ps- my spinning reel is a Shimano 4000 that handles up to 12 lb. line.
I see absolutely no advantage to a baitcaster using 12 pound line in
comparison, and a lot of aggravation from backlash tangles with the
latter. ...

snip
Two, from your rantings I would place you in the troll catigory...The
real poor skills, semi-intelegent dweeb type troll. I do not have to
put forth anything more than your rantings to prove this point, you
have done all the work for me. ...

Damn man, that's harsh. Mr. d-h-c sounds to me like an
opinionated old cuss looking for an argument. Kinda like
a lot of fishermen I know. Usenet isn't very conducive to
the kind of arguments that would seem perfectly OK when
seated next to someone at the bar quaffing a brew. I'm
willing to give Mr. d-h-c the benefit of the doubt and
if I disagreed with him I'd argue it with him with a good
nature and my tongue in cheek. But I tried to cast with my
Dad's old Ambasseuder 5000 and never could get the hang of
the damn thing, so I basically agree with Mr. d-h-c. 1/2 :-)

Never had a 5000, but we had a bunch of 5000D models for catfishing and they
were great. They could crank a catfish out of hole like a Warn winch
pulling a Volkswagon out of a ditch. We could also cast them pretty
accurately for distance when we took the time to adjust them for the weight
of the lure used. I bet I could even pitch with one, but I'm not sure why I
would want to. The size is the big hold up on that reel. Give me a low
profile baitcasting reel anyday of the week for that.

For the overhand guys... you can snap cast with a spinning rig too. You are
not limited to big overhand casts. I side armed and did a variation of a
circle cast with a spinning rod that I taught myself as a kid. It was the
only way to get that precise placement I needed to drop spinners and spoons
along weed edges when I was walking the Gila River.


--
Bob La Londe
www.YumaBassMan.com



--
Ken Fortenberry

Bob La Londe wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote:
... But I tried to cast with my
Dad's old Ambasseuder 5000 and never could get the hang of
the damn thing, so I basically agree with Mr. d-h-c. 1/2 :-)

Never had a 5000, but we had a bunch of 5000D models for catfishing and they
were great. They could crank a catfish out of hole like a Warn winch
pulling a Volkswagon out of a ditch. ...

Funny, I compare it to a winch too but in a disparaging way.
I just don't see the challenge in catching a 10 pound fish
on 20 lb. test. Hell, you watch some of the stuff on the TV
and those guys may as well just push a button. Fish on, zip,
fish in the boat. Phooey on that. A challenge is catching a
15 pound fish on 4X 6.4 lb. test. And I'm not talkin' about
using 4X just to make a game of it, I'm talking about fishing
for Michigan steelhead using a size 14 black stonefly nymph
where that's the biggest fly that will work and 4X is the
thickest piece of nylon that will fit through the eye of the
hook. Now *that's* a challenge, and a workout for the drag
on your fly reel, and a test of your skill in applying just
the right amount of pressure with the fly rod.

--
Ken Fortenberry - not trolling ... well, not too much ;-)

"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
...
Bob La Londe wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote:
... But I tried to cast with my
Dad's old Ambasseuder 5000 and never could get the hang of
the damn thing, so I basically agree with Mr. d-h-c. 1/2 :-)

Never had a 5000, but we had a bunch of 5000D models for catfishing and
they
were great. They could crank a catfish out of hole like a Warn winch
pulling a Volkswagon out of a ditch. ...

Funny, I compare it to a winch too but in a disparaging way.
I just don't see the challenge in catching a 10 pound fish
on 20 lb. test. Hell, you watch some of the stuff on the TV
and those guys may as well just push a button. Fish on, zip,
fish in the boat. Phooey on that. A challenge is catching a
15 pound fish on 4X 6.4 lb. test. And I'm not talkin' about
using 4X just to make a game of it, I'm talking about fishing
for Michigan steelhead using a size 14 black stonefly nymph
where that's the biggest fly that will work and 4X is the
thickest piece of nylon that will fit through the eye of the
hook. Now *that's* a challenge, and a workout for the drag
on your fly reel, and a test of your skill in applying just
the right amount of pressure with the fly rod.

--
Ken Fortenberry - not trolling ... well, not too much ;-)

I think you hit the nail on the head Ken....... trolling. Mr. DHC has
suckered the whole damn group into a lot of chest thumping and
hyperventilating. IMHO of course. Joe Z ;-)

Joe Z wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
...
Bob La Londe wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote:
... But I tried to cast with my
Dad's old Ambasseuder 5000 and never could get the hang of
the damn thing, so I basically agree with Mr. d-h-c. 1/2 :-)

Never had a 5000, but we had a bunch of 5000D models for catfishing and
they
were great. They could crank a catfish out of hole like a Warn winch
pulling a Volkswagon out of a ditch. ...

Funny, I compare it to a winch too but in a disparaging way.
I just don't see the challenge in catching a 10 pound fish
on 20 lb. test. Hell, you watch some of the stuff on the TV
and those guys may as well just push a button. Fish on, zip,
fish in the boat. Phooey on that. A challenge is catching a
15 pound fish on 4X 6.4 lb. test. And I'm not talkin' about
using 4X just to make a game of it, I'm talking about fishing
for Michigan steelhead using a size 14 black stonefly nymph
where that's the biggest fly that will work and 4X is the
thickest piece of nylon that will fit through the eye of the
hook. Now *that's* a challenge, and a workout for the drag
on your fly reel, and a test of your skill in applying just
the right amount of pressure with the fly rod.

--
Ken Fortenberry - not trolling ... well, not too much ;-)

I think you hit the nail on the head Ken....... trolling. Mr. DHC has
suckered the whole damn group into a lot of chest thumping and
hyperventilating. IMHO of course. Joe Z ;-)


hey, chest thumping and hyper-ventilating is part of being a man. I
shoot guns, race cars with big V-8's in them, and fish. You don't see
bass pros or NASCAR drivers who are successful, without a bit of an
ego. So this is a good thing.

I set out to find out WHY someone would put up with all the downfalls
of a baitcaster- and it seems to be, for the cranking in capability.
It's certainly not for the casting ability, because they are inferior
casting machines. It seems many have been suckered in by advertising
ploys. Now that bass pros are showing up with spinning and spincasting
reels, it's obvious even the pros aren't buying into this baitcaster
line 100%.

Who wants to fish with a 3/4 oz. lure all the time ?

Your total ineptness with baitcasting equipment is the real problem here. My
14 year old DAUGHTER can use one with ease. I taught her.
You may be toooooooo proud to actually "learn" from someone else with your
chest stuck out so far.Do us all a favor and make it your
DUTY- to learn to use one.
HONOR- us all by not being a blowhard whiner.
COUNTRY- move to another one.
Or, be a man and admit you can't or won't learn from someone that can teach
you. Otherwise, just shut up! This thread had gotten way too much attention.
I'm done.
"duty-honor-country" wrote in message
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Joe Z wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
...
Bob La Londe wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote:
... But I tried to cast with my
Dad's old Ambasseuder 5000 and never could get the hang of
the damn thing, so I basically agree with Mr. d-h-c. 1/2 :-)

Never had a 5000, but we had a bunch of 5000D models for catfishing
and
they
were great. They could crank a catfish out of hole like a Warn winch
pulling a Volkswagon out of a ditch. ...

Funny, I compare it to a winch too but in a disparaging way.
I just don't see the challenge in catching a 10 pound fish
on 20 lb. test. Hell, you watch some of the stuff on the TV
and those guys may as well just push a button. Fish on, zip,
fish in the boat. Phooey on that. A challenge is catching a
15 pound fish on 4X 6.4 lb. test. And I'm not talkin' about
using 4X just to make a game of it, I'm talking about fishing
for Michigan steelhead using a size 14 black stonefly nymph
where that's the biggest fly that will work and 4X is the
thickest piece of nylon that will fit through the eye of the
hook. Now *that's* a challenge, and a workout for the drag
on your fly reel, and a test of your skill in applying just
the right amount of pressure with the fly rod.

--
Ken Fortenberry - not trolling ... well, not too much ;-)

I think you hit the nail on the head Ken....... trolling. Mr. DHC has
suckered the whole damn group into a lot of chest thumping and
hyperventilating. IMHO of course. Joe Z ;-)


hey, chest thumping and hyper-ventilating is part of being a man. I
shoot guns, race cars with big V-8's in them, and fish. You don't see
bass pros or NASCAR drivers who are successful, without a bit of an
ego. So this is a good thing.

I set out to find out WHY someone would put up with all the downfalls
of a baitcaster- and it seems to be, for the cranking in capability.
It's certainly not for the casting ability, because they are inferior
casting machines. It seems many have been suckered in by advertising
ploys. Now that bass pros are showing up with spinning and spincasting
reels, it's obvious even the pros aren't buying into this baitcaster
line 100%.

Who wants to fish with a 3/4 oz. lure all the time ?

Bass_Mr. wrote:
Your total ineptness with baitcasting equipment is the real problem here. My
14 year old DAUGHTER can use one with ease. I taught her.
You may be toooooooo proud to actually "learn" from someone else with your
chest stuck out so far.Do us all a favor and make it your
DUTY- to learn to use one.
HONOR- us all by not being a blowhard whiner.
COUNTRY- move to another one.
Or, be a man and admit you can't or won't learn from someone that can teach
you. Otherwise, just shut up! This thread had gotten way too much attention.
I'm done.

Google "Charlie Nudo" or "66fourdoor" and see who you are dealing with.

Busted as a troll... I consider this topic to be over for me.

Thanks bicyclingg


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Bass_Mr. wrote:
Your total ineptness with baitcasting equipment is the real problem here.
My
14 year old DAUGHTER can use one with ease. I taught her.
You may be toooooooo proud to actually "learn" from someone else with
your
chest stuck out so far.Do us all a favor and make it your
DUTY- to learn to use one.
HONOR- us all by not being a blowhard whiner.
COUNTRY- move to another one.
Or, be a man and admit you can't or won't learn from someone that can
teach
you. Otherwise, just shut up! This thread had gotten way too much
attention.
I'm done.

Google "Charlie Nudo" or "66fourdoor" and see who you are dealing with.

Bass_Mr. wrote:
Your total ineptness with baitcasting equipment is the real problem here. My
14 year old DAUGHTER can use one with ease. I taught her.
You may be toooooooo proud to actually "learn" from someone else with your
chest stuck out so far.Do us all a favor and make it your
DUTY- to learn to use one.
HONOR- us all by not being a blowhard whiner.
COUNTRY- move to another one.
Or, be a man and admit you can't or won't learn from someone that can teach
you. Otherwise, just shut up! This thread had gotten way too much attention.
I'm done.
"duty-honor-country" wrote in message
oups.com...

Joe Z wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
...
Bob La Londe wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote:
... But I tried to cast with my
Dad's old Ambasseuder 5000 and never could get the hang of
the damn thing, so I basically agree with Mr. d-h-c. 1/2 :-)

Never had a 5000, but we had a bunch of 5000D models for catfishing
and
they
were great. They could crank a catfish out of hole like a Warn winch
pulling a Volkswagon out of a ditch. ...

Funny, I compare it to a winch too but in a disparaging way.
I just don't see the challenge in catching a 10 pound fish
on 20 lb. test. Hell, you watch some of the stuff on the TV
and those guys may as well just push a button. Fish on, zip,
fish in the boat. Phooey on that. A challenge is catching a
15 pound fish on 4X 6.4 lb. test. And I'm not talkin' about
using 4X just to make a game of it, I'm talking about fishing
for Michigan steelhead using a size 14 black stonefly nymph
where that's the biggest fly that will work and 4X is the
thickest piece of nylon that will fit through the eye of the
hook. Now *that's* a challenge, and a workout for the drag
on your fly reel, and a test of your skill in applying just
the right amount of pressure with the fly rod.

--
Ken Fortenberry - not trolling ... well, not too much ;-)

I think you hit the nail on the head Ken....... trolling. Mr. DHC has
suckered the whole damn group into a lot of chest thumping and
hyperventilating. IMHO of course. Joe Z ;-)


hey, chest thumping and hyper-ventilating is part of being a man. I
shoot guns, race cars with big V-8's in them, and fish. You don't see
bass pros or NASCAR drivers who are successful, without a bit of an
ego. So this is a good thing.

I set out to find out WHY someone would put up with all the downfalls
of a baitcaster- and it seems to be, for the cranking in capability.
It's certainly not for the casting ability, because they are inferior
casting machines. It seems many have been suckered in by advertising
ploys. Now that bass pros are showing up with spinning and spincasting
reels, it's obvious even the pros aren't buying into this baitcaster
line 100%.

Who wants to fish with a 3/4 oz. lure all the time ?


How can you pass judgement ? You never saw me cast. Again- you're
attacking a person, rather than discussing the gear.

And your 14 year old daughter can cast a spinning reel even easier.

How many run-overs did you have to untangle for her ?

"with ease"- yeh, sure she can..

Bob La Londe wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
m...
Dan, danl, Redbeard uh Greybeard now wrote:
"duty-honor-country" wrote:
Snip
ps- my spinning reel is a Shimano 4000 that handles up to 12 lb. line.
I see absolutely no advantage to a baitcaster using 12 pound line in
comparison, and a lot of aggravation from backlash tangles with the
latter. ...

snip
Two, from your rantings I would place you in the troll catigory...The
real poor skills, semi-intelegent dweeb type troll. I do not have to
put forth anything more than your rantings to prove this point, you
have done all the work for me. ...

Damn man, that's harsh. Mr. d-h-c sounds to me like an
opinionated old cuss looking for an argument. Kinda like
a lot of fishermen I know. Usenet isn't very conducive to
the kind of arguments that would seem perfectly OK when
seated next to someone at the bar quaffing a brew. I'm
willing to give Mr. d-h-c the benefit of the doubt and
if I disagreed with him I'd argue it with him with a good
nature and my tongue in cheek. But I tried to cast with my
Dad's old Ambasseuder 5000 and never could get the hang of
the damn thing, so I basically agree with Mr. d-h-c. 1/2 :-)

Never had a 5000, but we had a bunch of 5000D models for catfishing and they
were great. They could crank a catfish out of hole like a Warn winch
pulling a Volkswagon out of a ditch. We could also cast them pretty
accurately for distance when we took the time to adjust them for the weight
of the lure used. I bet I could even pitch with one, but I'm not sure why I
would want to. The size is the big hold up on that reel. Give me a low
profile baitcasting reel anyday of the week for that.

For the overhand guys... you can snap cast with a spinning rig too. You are
not limited to big overhand casts. I side armed and did a variation of a
circle cast with a spinning rod that I taught myself as a kid. It was the
only way to get that precise placement I needed to drop spinners and spoons
along weed edges when I was walking the Gila River.


--
Bob La Londe
www.YumaBassMan.com



--
Ken Fortenberry


exactly !! Fish a small stream in the thick woods and brush- you can
forget overhead casting- it's all sidearm, and pulling loose line out
to toss. good post