why would anyone bother with a baitcasting reel for freshwater ?

"duty-honor-country" wrote in message
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WARREN WOLK wrote:
Amazing you had time to haul in 12 fish, considering all the backlashes &
tangles you picked out.

I fished for 9 hours over those 2 days. Spent 6 hours in the boat
yesterday.

Not only did I untangle the reel a zillion times- I'm now on my 3rd
respool of line.

Like I said, you're just not good at it. Happens with all sorts of skills
with all sorts of people.

jeffc wrote:
"duty-honor-country" wrote in message
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WARREN WOLK wrote:
Amazing you had time to haul in 12 fish, considering all the backlashes &
tangles you picked out.

I fished for 9 hours over those 2 days. Spent 6 hours in the boat
yesterday.

Not only did I untangle the reel a zillion times- I'm now on my 3rd
respool of line.

Like I said, you're just not good at it. Happens with all sorts of skills
with all sorts of people.

there's quite a few expert bass pros, using spinning and spincasting
reels- are they not just quite good at it ?

your argument does not hold any water.

On 8 Aug 2006 07:20:24 -0700, duty-honor-country wrote:

Like I said, you're just not good at it. Happens with all sorts of skills
with all sorts of people.

there's quite a few expert bass pros, using spinning and spincasting
reels- are they not just quite good at it ?

your argument does not hold any water.

Yours makes no sense.

Simply, you cannot judge the performance and usage of the baitcaster based
on just your own experience. It appears that you are very much less
skilled than others when it comes to casting and controlling such a reel.
The reason that baitcasters are popular is that they work well for many,
many fisherman. You just don't happen to be one of them.

There is a simple solution, just use your spinning gear and be happy and
recognize that others use and enjoy baitcasters.

Anything less makes you nothing more than a troll.
--
-Gary

Gary Udstrand wrote:
On 8 Aug 2006 07:20:24 -0700, duty-honor-country wrote:

Like I said, you're just not good at it. Happens with all sorts of skills
with all sorts of people.

there's quite a few expert bass pros, using spinning and spincasting
reels- are they not just quite good at it ?

your argument does not hold any water.

Yours makes no sense.

Simply, you cannot judge the performance and usage of the baitcaster based
on just your own experience. It appears that you are very much less
skilled than others when it comes to casting and controlling such a reel.
The reason that baitcasters are popular is that they work well for many,
many fisherman. You just don't happen to be one of them.

There is a simple solution, just use your spinning gear and be happy and
recognize that others use and enjoy baitcasters.

Anything less makes you nothing more than a troll.
--
-Gary

I disagree- I CAN judge the baitcasting reel I'm using, because I
bought it- so I have that right. It's mine to hold in whatever regard
I want. And after sampling one, unless you use a 3/4 oz. lure and are
willing to give up casting distance- the only thing they are good for,
is cranking big fish in reliably. A baitcaster casting traits are
inferior to spinning and spincasting- in distance and maintenance
issues- i.e. backlash tangles.

You're forgetting, I bought one.

"duty-honor-country" wrote in message SNIP

I disagree- I CAN judge the baitcasting reel I'm using, because I
bought it- so I have that right. It's mine to hold in whatever regard
I want. And after sampling one, unless you use a 3/4 oz. lure and are
willing to give up casting distance- the only thing they are good for,
is cranking big fish in reliably. A baitcaster casting traits are
inferior to spinning and spincasting- in distance and maintenance
issues- i.e. backlash tangles.

You're forgetting, I bought one.

Yeah fine, you bought one. But what kind? There is a world of difference
in quality and castability of baitcast reels. That's like saying, I think
all cars suck because I bought and drove a Pinto!

I use primarily Shimano Curado, Chronarch and Cardiff reels. I reliably,
accurately and as far as I want to cast lures as light as 1/4 oz. with my
baitcasting tackle. One thing you haven't mentioned is what kind of reel
you're using, what brand/kind of line and what rod you're using. The rod
you use is an important part of the casting equation.

Years ago, I worked in a bait/tackle shop. I had a middle-aged guy come in,
asking for assistance with some fishing tackle he had purchased elsewhere.
He explained that he was having trouble casting his new baitcaster without
bird's nests. Since we were slow at the time, I went out into the parking
lot with him.

He had an Ambassaduer 5500 reel (a decent enough reel), mated with a 9 foot
fly rod (and a cheap one at that)!!! Well duh, no wonder why he was having
trouble casting!!!

So, tell me exactly what reel you're using, what rod you have (brand, power
rating and line/lure rating). I also need to know the line you're using and
is the rod rated moderate, fast, extra-fast, what is the total package
you're attempting to use with so much difficulty.

To carry the car analogy further, it's hard to get Indy Car performance when
the car is riding on Wal-Mart tires. The reel might be the problem, it
might be the rod too.

So, before you start slamming baitcasting tackle as obsolete technology,
only good for winching fish out, or the tackle companies out to pull a fast
one, enlighten us with your complete setup.
--
Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers
http://www.outdoorfrontiers.com
G & S Guide Service and Custom Rods
http://www.herefishyfishy.com

"duty-honor-country" wrote in message
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Gary Udstrand wrote:

Simply, you cannot judge the performance and usage of the baitcaster
based
on just your own experience. It appears that you are very much less
skilled than others when it comes to casting and controlling such a
reel.
The reason that baitcasters are popular is that they work well for many,
many fisherman. You just don't happen to be one of them.

I disagree- I CAN judge the baitcasting reel I'm using, because I
bought it- so I have that right. It's mine to hold in whatever regard
I want. And after sampling one, unless you use a 3/4 oz. lure and are
willing to give up casting distance- the only thing they are good for,
is cranking big fish in reliably. A baitcaster casting traits are
inferior to spinning and spincasting- in distance and maintenance
issues- i.e. backlash tangles.

Your posts asks why _"anyone"_ would use a baitcaster... not just yourself.
No one can speak for why you would or would not use one. What people _are_
addressing is why they (and most people_ use baitcasters.

If you don't agree, don't. But the fact is clear... most people use
baitcasters because they _are_ more accurate.

"Todd Copeland" wrote in message
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Your posts asks why _"anyone"_ would use a baitcaster... not just
yourself.
No one can speak for why you would or would not use one.

I'll give it a shot. He's incompetant with bait casting tackle. However,
I'm getting the impression he's either pretty dumb, or pretty competant at
trolling Usenet.

jeffc wrote:
"Todd Copeland" wrote in message
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Your posts asks why _"anyone"_ would use a baitcaster... not just
yourself.
No one can speak for why you would or would not use one.

I'll give it a shot. He's incompetant with bait casting tackle. However,
I'm getting the impression he's either pretty dumb, or pretty competant at
trolling Usenet.


I've got 2 shingles hanging on the wall here. How many do you have ??

Oh, that's right...none.

Todd Copeland wrote:
"duty-honor-country" wrote in message
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Gary Udstrand wrote:

Simply, you cannot judge the performance and usage of the baitcaster
based
on just your own experience. It appears that you are very much less
skilled than others when it comes to casting and controlling such a
reel.
The reason that baitcasters are popular is that they work well for many,
many fisherman. You just don't happen to be one of them.

I disagree- I CAN judge the baitcasting reel I'm using, because I
bought it- so I have that right. It's mine to hold in whatever regard
I want. And after sampling one, unless you use a 3/4 oz. lure and are
willing to give up casting distance- the only thing they are good for,
is cranking big fish in reliably. A baitcaster casting traits are
inferior to spinning and spincasting- in distance and maintenance
issues- i.e. backlash tangles.

Your posts asks why _"anyone"_ would use a baitcaster... not just yourself.
No one can speak for why you would or would not use one. What people _are_
addressing is why they (and most people_ use baitcasters.

If you don't agree, don't. But the fact is clear... most people use
baitcasters because they _are_ more accurate.


I have yet to see this accuracy advantage. I also shoot and own many
guns. More accurate ones are obvious from the first 3 shots. This reel
scatters the lure all over the place. My Shimano spinning reel is
actually more accurate.

Todd Copeland wrote:
"duty-honor-country" wrote in message
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Gary Udstrand wrote:

Simply, you cannot judge the performance and usage of the baitcaster
based
on just your own experience. It appears that you are very much less
skilled than others when it comes to casting and controlling such a
reel.
The reason that baitcasters are popular is that they work well for many,
many fisherman. You just don't happen to be one of them.

I disagree- I CAN judge the baitcasting reel I'm using, because I
bought it- so I have that right. It's mine to hold in whatever regard
I want. And after sampling one, unless you use a 3/4 oz. lure and are
willing to give up casting distance- the only thing they are good for,
is cranking big fish in reliably. A baitcaster casting traits are
inferior to spinning and spincasting- in distance and maintenance
issues- i.e. backlash tangles.

Your posts asks why _"anyone"_ would use a baitcaster... not just yourself.
No one can speak for why you would or would not use one. What people _are_
addressing is why they (and most people_ use baitcasters.

If you don't agree, don't. But the fact is clear... most people use
baitcasters because they _are_ more accurate.

the problem is, you have to use 15 lb. test and a 3/4 oz. lure to get
the reel to avoid backlash

they are more accurate ?? then tie a #8 hook on, and half a live
nightwalker- and see how far you can cast, with 8 lb. test.