Cullin on Boom Lake

Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers wrote:

For other fish and game activities, sometimes you need a team of lawyers, a
nun and a supreme court justice to figure them out.

The lawyers and the judge I can see, but what does the nun
do ? On second thought, never mind, I don't think I want to
know what the nun does. ;-)

Some of the walleye
bag/size limits, trout stream regs and deer hunting regs are confusing to
say the least.

The trout regs aren't that bad. DNR does a good job of
putting signs up at all the obvious access points and
there's really only 4 different sets of regs anyway.

--
Ken Fortenberry

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Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers wrote:
For other fish and game activities, sometimes you need a team of
lawyers, a nun and a supreme court justice to figure them out.

The lawyers and the judge I can see, but what does the nun
do ? On second thought, never mind, I don't think I want to
know what the nun does. ;-)

Some of the walleye bag/size limits, trout stream regs and deer hunting
regs are confusing to say the least.

The trout regs aren't that bad. DNR does a good job of
putting signs up at all the obvious access points and
there's really only 4 different sets of regs anyway.

I don't trout fish any longer, but I have some friends that do. I
constantly hear them complain about the regs, especially where the streams
change to Artificial Only. I guess some of the transition zones are "open
to interpretation" and not clearly defined. Again, I don't know from
personal experience, just what I've heard.
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Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote:
The trout regs aren't that bad. DNR does a good job of
putting signs up at all the obvious access points and
there's really only 4 different sets of regs anyway.

I don't trout fish any longer, but I have some friends that do. I
constantly hear them complain about the regs, especially where the streams
change to Artificial Only. I guess some of the transition zones are "open
to interpretation" and not clearly defined. Again, I don't know from
personal experience, just what I've heard.

Ah, I wouldn't know anything about that aspect of it.
I use dry flies no matter where I'm fishing so I don't
really pay attention to where live bait is legal.

--
Ken Fortenberry

"Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers" wrote in
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For running a tournament? Personally, I don't think they're all that
bad. The only thing is "No Culling". That means you have to decide as
soon as you land the fish, is it going in the livewell or can I do
better? It makes it a head game and one of confidence in your
abilities.

The fly fishing tourney of the ESPN outdoor games is entirely catch and
release. Each participant has a tournament monitor with him. When you
catch a fish, you decide on the spot whether its the one you plan to count.
If not, you release it. If yes, they measure it up, the fish is released,
and you're done fishing for the day.

FWIW, New Yorks regs on bass are changing, opening up the closed part of
the season to "catch and immediate release".

--
Scott
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On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 10:30:34 -0500, "Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers"
wrote:

Wisconsin has some fantastic bass
fishing, only the rest of the country rarely hears about it because none of
the large events want to come to this state because their bag limits won't
be as big as they could be if allowed to cull.

Personally, to me it really doesn't matter one way or the other. Sure, it
would be nice to have the ability to do so, but so far, as Charles has
pointed out, it hasn't been an issue in the Northwoods Classic.

Rather than bag limits not being as big...I would think that most
tournament fishermen wouldn't want to go there bc the rule could be
extremely frustrating to their fishing. How many mornings..have we
had...when we got a small early limit...and used the rest of the day
to improve our limit? That's a very important part of tournament
strategy that is taken away by this no-culling rule. Being able to
"better our catch" is a fundamental precept of fishing, IMO. This is
especially true since we're spending so much money and valuable time
in pursuing this sport.

I think others would say "Avoid Wisconsin" because many just want
to avoid the hassle of going to a state that has archaic rules/laws
like this "no-culling" rule in Wisconsin. If a state has 1 stupid
rule, it's likely to have a ton of them. Fishermen really want to be
warmly and welcomely greeted. Some states (Florida, Alabama,
Tennesee, Texas) do a good job of that and other states don't.
(Wisconsion, Indiana, Ohio, Minnesota, Pennsylvania, Michigan, etc.)

And the negative effect is probably more than you might think.
Not only are you losing tournaments and fishermen that wont go there
(and the millions of dolllars in economic boost from hotels, gas,
meals, tackle and a ton of other sales)...but the unfriendly state is
building up a reputation that will deter fishermen for many years to
come.

And it has been an issue in the Northwoods Classic...as its one
of the reasons (other than the fact I've got 2 small toddlers and the
high price of gas), I haven't made that trip yet...

--
Dwayne E. Cooper, Atty at Law
Indianapolis, IN
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Fishermen really want to be
warmly and welcomely greeted. Some states (Florida, Alabama,
Tennesee, Texas) do a good job of that and other states don't.
(Wisconsion, Indiana, Ohio, Minnesota, Pennsylvania, Michigan, etc.)


Dwayne, I live in Michigan and am new to bass fishing now that I have
entered my retirement years. What rules or regs in MI makes this an
unfriendly state to fishermen? With the auto industry on its last legs in
MI, it seems as though this state should be doing all it can to attract
recreators from outside the state.

On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 20:09:59 GMT, "johnval1"
wrote:

Fishermen really want to be
warmly and welcomely greeted. Some states (Florida, Alabama,
Tennesee, Texas) do a good job of that and other states don't.
(Wisconsion, Indiana, Ohio, Minnesota, Pennsylvania, Michigan, etc.)


Dwayne, I live in Michigan and am new to bass fishing now that I have
entered my retirement years. What rules or regs in MI makes this an
unfriendly state to fishermen? With the auto industry on its last legs in
MI, it seems as though this state should be doing all it can to attract
recreators from outside the state.

Hi John! The first thing that jumped out to me Michigan is
its limited bass fishing season...from the Saturday before Memorial
day to December 31st (on most waters) and from the 3rd Saturday in
June to December 31st (on St. Clair and Detroit River). For bass
fishermen, it's basically a great big "No Trespassing" sign on the
Welcome to Michigan sign.

Not only do I not agree with the need for a fishing season like
that, but I also believe it increases the social problems you folks
have (ie. more kids inside smoking pot/getting in trouble when they
could be on the water fishing, more husbands and wiives arguing when
the husband or wife could be on the water fishing,etc.). Now, a lotta
folks might laugh when they read the above...but the cold hard plain
truth of it is that increased recreational activities is good for the
social welfare of people. The more you limit the opportunities...the
more people will do other things which may not be as healthy for them.
If every neighborhood had a park nearby...and/or a fishing lake
nearby...I believe you'll find a lot happier neighborhood in the long
run. (less crime, less social disharmony, etc.)

BTW, I don't envy anyone who lives in cold, harsh environments
like Michigan all too often has. I endured it up there for 3 years
when I lived in Lansing, Michigan when I went to law school. Now I
did have the good fortune to fish the Grand river quite a bit as well
as different marsh ponds in central Michigan. And I was fortunate to
get my first taste of trout fishing up there. And the bass fishing
was often excellent on the Grand for smallmouth and largemouth when
the river wasn't out of control...

--
Dwayne E. Cooper, Atty at Law
Indianapolis, IN
Email:
Web Page: http://www.cooperlegalservices.com
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Dog Fishing: http://www.hoosierwebsites.com/onthe...fishing040.htm
1st Annual ROFB Classic Winner

Hi John! The first thing that jumped out to me Michigan is
its limited bass fishing season...from the Saturday before Memorial
day to December 31st (on most waters) and from the 3rd Saturday in
June to December 31st (on St. Clair and Detroit River). For bass
fishermen, it's basically a great big "No Trespassing" sign on the
Welcome to Michigan sign.



Dwayne, I know the season starts late, but rashly assumed it was to protect
a late spawn due to the northerly clime. I would be more than happy to be
educated further on this issue. Meanwhile, I will contact the Fishing Gods
here in MI to find out the reason for such a late start. Good point you
made. By May, there are one heck of a lot of bass caught in other places
when it is illegal to do so here.

I had to smile at your (only slightly) tongue in cheek comments on the lack
of good fishing being at the root of social disorder. Short story: I was
in Gander Mountain a month ago to buy some frogs for fishing the weeds. A
young guy followed me up to the front of the store to talk fishing strategy
and effective use of the frogs. The kid was about 20 with multiple tattoos
and all the body piercings known to man. I am 57 and look like a former law
enforcement officer. Not exactly a marriage made in heaven, but we had a
delightful conversation. All made possible by a common interest in bass
fishing.

My wife told me she thought I would rather bass fish than anything else. I
told her she was wrong, I would rather bass fish with her than anything
else.

"Dwayne E. Cooper" wrote in messageSNIP

Rather than bag limits not being as big...I would think that most
tournament fishermen wouldn't want to go there bc the rule could be
extremely frustrating to their fishing.

***It can be frustrating, and that's what I meant about not having big bags,
I should have said heavy bag limits. But, strategy can play into the
equation at the same time. A supremely confident angler might release that
14 1/4" bass, figuring he can do better, and then fall on his face, bringing
in less than a limit. Or, someone struggling finding bigger fish might
suddenly be catapulted into the lead because he did find five bass slightly
over 14 inches. It does make for interesting weigh-ins......

How many mornings..have we
had...when we got a small early limit...and used the rest of the day
to improve our limit? That's a very important part of tournament
strategy that is taken away by this no-culling rule.

***This is true, hence the attempts to change the regulations. But again,
see above....

Being able to
"better our catch" is a fundamental precept of fishing, IMO. This is
especially true since we're spending so much money and valuable time
in pursuing this sport.

***I'm not argueing that. I would like to see it changed, but I'm not going
to lose any sleep over it or avoid fishing here.


I think others would say "Avoid Wisconsin" because many just want
to avoid the hassle of going to a state that has archaic rules/laws
like this "no-culling" rule in Wisconsin.

***Unfortunately, or fortunately (depending upon how you look at it),
there's an awful lot of people that don't feel as you do. Wisconsin sells
more fishing licenses than all other states, with the exception of Florida.
It really only affects the tournament fishing enthusiasts, not the general
public.

If a state has 1 stupid
rule, it's likely to have a ton of them. Fishermen really want to be
warmly and welcomely greeted. Some states (Florida, Alabama,
Tennesee, Texas) do a good job of that and other states don't.
(Wisconsion, Indiana, Ohio, Minnesota, Pennsylvania, Michigan, etc.)

***Nah, for the most part, that's the only stupid rule. There are some
rules that I don't agree with, but there's usually sound, biological
reasoning behind the regulations. Actually, when you think about it, the
no-culling rule for the general population is a good thing. We have a lot
of small to medium size lakes here in the state, and if people were allowed
to sort their catch, it wouldn't take long to seriously affect the
spawning/brood stock of a lake. Based on license sales, and based on the
number of Illinois, Iowa, Michigan, Indiana and Minnesota license plates I
see all summer long, we can't be too surly to out of state anglers.


And the negative effect is probably more than you might think.
Not only are you losing tournaments and fishermen that wont go there
(and the millions of dolllars in economic boost from hotels, gas,
meals, tackle and a ton of other sales)...but the unfriendly state is
building up a reputation that will deter fishermen for many years to
come.

***Oh, believe me, no one understands the trickle down effect of outdoor
recreation here in the state better than I do. Living in an area that is
fairly dependant upon tourism and recreation, as well as being a fishing
guide, I do understand the economic ramifications. Personally, I would like
to see a major BASS or FLW event here in Wisconsin, held on Lake Winnebago,
Chequomegon Bay, Sturgeon Bay or some of our other large bodies of water.
While I don't believe it would help me personally, the community that
sponsors the event would certainly appreciate the added funds such an event
would provide.


And it has been an issue in the Northwoods Classic...as its one
of the reasons (other than the fact I've got 2 small toddlers and the
high price of gas), I haven't made that trip yet...

***It really hasn't been an issue for the Northwoods Classic. I've heard a
few grumbles, a gasp or two of disbelief, but then I think about the number
of times a limit has been brought to the weigh-in and I have to say "I ain't
skeered." Why don't you come on up and prove us wrong? The high price of
gas hasn't really stopped me from going fishing, although it has curtailed
the amount of casual driving I do. I simply stop, think and plan my trips a
little better now.
--
Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers
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"Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers" wrote in
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I also wanted to add, I find it interesting that professional walleye
tournaments can be successfully run here in the state under the same
no-culling rule. As a matter of fact, there have been several national
championships decided here in Wisconsin.

Why is it that the PWT can run successful walleye events here, but BASS and
FLW cannot?
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