Any live bait fishers???

"Ronnie" wrote in message
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If a muskie takes the walleye, can you then catch another one to
replace it? Is that culling?

LOL, I have no idea. I suppose it would be, providing a game warden could
prove you had a walleye on as bait initially. That might be a bit hard to
do, although these Wisconsin wardens are pretty tricky and high tech.
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I have a funny story related to live bait.

My son has been fishing with me since before he could walk. Most guys
fishing on the lake we live on use plastics and when I see someone with
a minnow bucket, I tell my son "Look at these f---ing poachers!". Last
month, my kid was out on the dock with a few of his friends and they
were fishing with minnows that someone has left on the dock. I figured,
let the kids have some fun and started to fish myself using my trusted
Yamamoto rig.
Two hours later, I had no fish and the kids were just nailing them off
the dock. I finally broke down and asked them for one minnow. Within 2
minutes, I had a 5lb "monster" that came out from under the dock and
just nailed the minnow as soon as it hit the water.
I must admit, it was fun catching the bass so quickly, but on the other
hand there is zero skill envolved, so I'm still sticking to plastics
for now. My son can't stop making fun of me after watching me finally
"break down".

"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
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I used to use minnows for bassing all the time. Usually whatever I could
catch. I actually had a pretty good setup for minnow fishing including a
55 gallon plastic barrel for my bait. Anyway, I was watching Mark Sosin's
Sal****er Journal the other evening and he had an interesting technique.
His bait was dead, but I was wondering how well it might work for large
shiners or or other live bait fish. He slid the hook and line in the mouth
and out through one gill. Then he put the hook in the side of the fish
about 1/2 to 2/3 of the way back so it layed semi flat along the side of
the fish.

When I used minnows for bass I just hooked them through the lips. In most
good bass spots the minnow got clobbered so fast it never mattered how
long the bait lasted, but I was wondering if Mark's method might work
better for those guys who drift and troll big shiners for smalleys in
places like Dale Hollow.

Would the line through the gill damage the gill and kill the minnow
quickly, or would its small diameter allow the water to flow better than a
typical lip hooked minnow allowing it to stay fresh and lively longer?

Hmmm..... I may have to dig out my throw net and go catch some minnows.


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I don't fish live bait for LMB and smallies, as too much hassle. I do fish
live bait for salmon, halibut and striped bass and tuna and Yellow Tail.
The tuna and Yellow Tail and Halibut are anchovies normally hook though the
nose from bottom to top and Sardines either tail hooked or a large 'dine in
the gill. Striped bass we use mudsuckers (gobies) and use a threading
needle just under the skin from tail to head and the leader pulled through
so the hook is at the tail. We also thread dead anchovies for mooching for
salmon the same way. Fresh water the only live bait I use is worms and
clams for catfish. Dealing with most live bait is too much effort for the
results.

Bob La Londe wrote:
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Would the line through the gill damage the gill and kill the minnow quickly,
or would its small diameter allow the water to flow better than a typical
lip hooked minnow allowing it to stay fresh and lively longer?

Hmmm..... I may have to dig out my throw net and go catch some minnows.


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Fishing Arizona & The Colorado River
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http://www.YumaBassMan.com


Seems like as long as the line was mono, it wouldn't do much damage. My
first thought after reading your post was smaller diameter braid, but I
bet the braid would do more damage than mono. Drifting or trolling with
that setup would keep water going over the gills and the minnow pointed
in the right dirrection. Probably wouldn't work for bobber fishing
though.

I fish (3 - 4") golden shiners for stripers in a local lake. I drift or
anchor fish 20 - 40' deep and hook the minnows thru the upper lip far
enough back to get a little meat on the hook. Fish them just off the
bottom with a real small sliding egg sinker rig. No bobbers. Get LM and
SM this way too. All released and don't minnow fish there when the
stripers aren't biting.

I used to use minnows in the heat of the summer to catch bass when
nothing else would work. Not much any more. I'll buy minnows in a
heartbeat to put a kid on fish though.

phishrace

On 28 Sep 2006 22:49:41 -0700, wrote:

Bob La Londe wrote:
snip
Would the line through the gill damage the gill and kill the minnow quickly,
or would its small diameter allow the water to flow better than a typical
lip hooked minnow allowing it to stay fresh and lively longer?

Hmmm..... I may have to dig out my throw net and go catch some minnows.


--
Bob La Londe
Fishing Arizona & The Colorado River
Fishing Forums & Contests
http://www.YumaBassMan.com


Seems like as long as the line was mono, it wouldn't do much damage. My
first thought after reading your post was smaller diameter braid, but I
bet the braid would do more damage than mono. Drifting or trolling with
that setup would keep water going over the gills and the minnow pointed
in the right dirrection. Probably wouldn't work for bobber fishing
though.

I fish (3 - 4") golden shiners for stripers in a local lake. I drift or
anchor fish 20 - 40' deep and hook the minnows thru the upper lip far
enough back to get a little meat on the hook. Fish them just off the
bottom with a real small sliding egg sinker rig. No bobbers. Get LM and
SM this way too. All released and don't minnow fish there when the
stripers aren't biting.

I used to use minnows in the heat of the summer to catch bass when
nothing else would work. Not much any more. I'll buy minnows in a
heartbeat to put a kid on fish though.

phishrace


I have used minnows, crawlers and leeches for Walleye and Crappies. I
was trying to catch food, not release.

I have friends that use nitecrawlers for Bass. I have tried to get
them to switch to plastics because they gut hook so many Bass. They
fish in heavy log cover and have to horse the fish out. Their
equipment leaves a lot to be desired as far as sensitivity goes so
that somewhat explains the gut hooking ratio being high.

Yes, I know, everyone gut hooks a fish now and then but it is usually
the exception not the rule like with these guys.

That is why I shy away from live bait. YMMV

"Dan, danl, Redbeard uh Greybeard now" wrote in message
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On 28 Sep 2006 22:49:41 -0700, wrote:

Bob La Londe wrote:
snip
Would the line through the gill damage the gill and kill the minnow
quickly,
or would its small diameter allow the water to flow better than a
typical
lip hooked minnow allowing it to stay fresh and lively longer?

Hmmm..... I may have to dig out my throw net and go catch some minnows.


--
Bob La Londe
Fishing Arizona & The Colorado River
Fishing Forums & Contests
http://www.YumaBassMan.com


Seems like as long as the line was mono, it wouldn't do much damage. My
first thought after reading your post was smaller diameter braid, but I
bet the braid would do more damage than mono. Drifting or trolling with
that setup would keep water going over the gills and the minnow pointed
in the right dirrection. Probably wouldn't work for bobber fishing
though.

I fish (3 - 4") golden shiners for stripers in a local lake. I drift or
anchor fish 20 - 40' deep and hook the minnows thru the upper lip far
enough back to get a little meat on the hook. Fish them just off the
bottom with a real small sliding egg sinker rig. No bobbers. Get LM and
SM this way too. All released and don't minnow fish there when the
stripers aren't biting.

I used to use minnows in the heat of the summer to catch bass when
nothing else would work. Not much any more. I'll buy minnows in a
heartbeat to put a kid on fish though.

phishrace


I have used minnows, crawlers and leeches for Walleye and Crappies. I
was trying to catch food, not release.

I have friends that use nitecrawlers for Bass. I have tried to get
them to switch to plastics because they gut hook so many Bass. They
fish in heavy log cover and have to horse the fish out. Their
equipment leaves a lot to be desired as far as sensitivity goes so
that somewhat explains the gut hooking ratio being high.

Yes, I know, everyone gut hooks a fish now and then but it is usually
the exception not the rule like with these guys.

That is why I shy away from live bait. YMMV

In heavy cover I'ld have a hard time going with live bait, but I'm sure
there is a way to do it. When fishing minnows under a water balloon float I
gut hook no more fish than when fishing a senko wacky style and much less
than when t-rigging one.

When dead sticking or split shotting minnows the gut hook percentage goes up
slightly, but still less than dead sticking a t-rigged senko. I do not
typically fish live bait in heavy cover, but in current it can be very
effective to drift it along the edges of cover. Rarely do I wrap up a fish
in those circumstance or gut hook one. Usually the minnow warns you before
hand of an impending strike.

I've caught bass on crawler once or stwice, but I have not fished for them
with worms often enough to say. I did tend to use a bait dropper rig on a
tight line which helps detect strikes quickly eleviating gut hooked fish.

P.S. Small bass taste ok (under limit size most places)


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