Does anyone use Berkley Vanish flouro?

Just posting what I have experienced. The stuff works for me. Just for
kicks, do any of you store your rods and reels anywhere near a window in the
house or garage? From my experience, sunlight is the most detrimental to
mono or flouro. Used to store my rods in a rack I made in my bedroom.
Morning sunlight would come thru that window for about 2 hours everyday. If
I used any of those rods without stripping off 20-25' of line, I could
guaratee I would lose a lure within the first few casts. Sometimes the rods
would be exposed like that for only 3-4 days, sometimes 2 weeks. Didn't
matter. Sunlight will make it week/brittle or whatever ya want to call it.
All my soft plastics reels have Vanish Transition, all others have either
Trilene or Stren 14-20#. I use 14# Vanish on my small plastics and 17 on all
others. I have absolutely NO experience with pound tests less than these.
Maybe that is where you northern boys have bad experiences with the stuff. I
only get to watch shows of y'alls waters and I know a lot of em use 10# or
less. Sure would like to fish some of y'alls smallie waters. Maybe someday.

"Chris Rennert" wrote in message
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Well, I cannot say I have ever done any control tests, but I have been
using Fluoro's for a long time now, and I went from one Fluoro to Vanish
to save some $$, and I have to say it is absolute garbage. I contacted
Berkley, and even they admitted that they had to improve the strength.
I know what you are saying about breaking at the knot, that does happen
if it is not cinched down correctly, but most of my Vanish breaks were
in the middle of the line. I cannot say I have reproduced the results
with the brands I mentioned earlier.
Steve Erwin wrote:
Seems others hate it but I have been using it since it came out and
think it
is a very good line. I worm fish with it and like the way I can feel the
bottom much better than mono. My eyesight is not what it used to be and
got
to where I could not see where the line met the water. Went back to
clear/blue Stren and never had the feel and less hookups with that. When
they came out with the Transition Vanish, I gave it a try and wont use
anything else. Most here sing the praises of braid, but I for one think
it
is crap. If I were fishing waters where the grasss was heavy as some
here
from the north do, then maybe I would use braid. Don't know. As far as
complaints about knot breakage on the Vanish, I have never had a knot to
fail. I always use a palomar, but I am very careful when I cinch it
down.
People I know that do have knot problems have problems with all
line(mono
and flouro) because they don't cinch it down right. At least that is
what
the problem was when they fished with me. Different strokes for
different
folks is what it boils down to.


"Brendan" wrote in message
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I've started using it recently and find it quite useful.

"Steve Erwin" wrote in message
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Just posting what I have experienced. The stuff works for me. Just for
kicks, do any of you store your rods and reels anywhere near a window in
the
house or garage?

If that were the case don't you think we would have problems with all our
line?


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Maybe it IS the case here Bob. All the dissing the Vanish line and all. I
have no stock in Berkley and receive exactly nada from them.What's with the
freakin attitude????? Do you not think that sunlight is harmful to it? It's
no secret. All the line companies warn about it. I always ignored it too
until it started happenin to me and found out what was causing it. I figured
it wasn't rocket science. I left this newsgroup once because it seemed if
you weren't in the "click" everything one would say is assaulted. Damn I
guess things aint changed around here!
"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
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"Steve Erwin" wrote in message
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Just posting what I have experienced. The stuff works for me. Just for
kicks, do any of you store your rods and reels anywhere near a window in
the
house or garage?

If that were the case don't you think we would have problems with all our
line?


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Steve,
I am sure none of us thought you would take any of this so personally.
I went through spool after spool of using Vanish as leader material, and
I broke it more than enough times to move on to something else.
The question was asked about anyone using Vanish, and everyone answered
with their opinions and experiences. You haven't had any issues, in my
opinion you are just lucky, or using very heavy leaders. I guess I look
at it this way, I am only able to fish so much (which I guess is
relatively a lot) and the last thing I want to do is talk about the one
that got away when it was something I could have prevented by using
better equipment.
Just my take

Chris
Steve Erwin wrote:
Maybe it IS the case here Bob. All the dissing the Vanish line and all. I
have no stock in Berkley and receive exactly nada from them.What's with the
freakin attitude????? Do you not think that sunlight is harmful to it? It's
no secret. All the line companies warn about it. I always ignored it too
until it started happenin to me and found out what was causing it. I figured
it wasn't rocket science. I left this newsgroup once because it seemed if
you weren't in the "click" everything one would say is assaulted. Damn I
guess things aint changed around here!
"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
.. .
"Steve Erwin" wrote in message
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Just posting what I have experienced. The stuff works for me. Just for
kicks, do any of you store your rods and reels anywhere near a window in
the
house or garage?
If that were the case don't you think we would have problems with all our
line?


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Nah Chris, I aint takin it personally from you. I do not use leaders, per
say 20# main and 10# leader. I guess that is what you are talking about. I
use 14# all the way from the reel to the bait on small plastics. 17# on all
others. Bob I remember from a good while back. Like I posted that I made the
observation of what my problem was and know beyond a doubt what it was, I
thought I would pass it along so that maybe some here may experiment. He
answered like I was calling him out as being dumb. Not the case at all. I
would never do that. Forums, newsgroups and such are tools one can use to
learn. I used to post here, got tired of the clique crap that was going on
and stopped posting. Stopped lurking altogether and unsubscribed. After a
couple of years, I thought I'd check in. A lot of folks aint here no more
and some left for the same reasons I did. I learned a lot from the people
here and I thank y'all. At one time there was a line that came out (I think
it was a Stren co-polymer) that was discussed here and a certain few liked
it. Quite a bit more didn't and I was one of those that didn't. I told what
was going on with it and I got slammed. Cannot for the life of me figure out
how someone out in cyberspace can tell me what my line was doing to me when
I was looking at it myself with a magnifying glass. What it was was when you
cinched the knot down, well lubricated and pulled slowly, if just enough
pressure was put on it the 2, as in co-polymer, would snap apart right at
the knot, leaving only the inside core holding the bait on. With about 4-5#
more pressure the core would snap. I lost 2- $15 baits one right after the
other. Put that rod up for the day. When I got home I could duplicate what
was happening time after time and with a glass I could see what was
happening. Still got slammed on it. I may be from the south and dumb as a
bag of rocks but I aint ignorant. If someone asks anyones opinion here I
wont slam you or anyone else for it. If it happened to me and I figure out
what maybe I was doing wrong then I figure it might help someone else. It
surely couldn't hurt. I thought that is what a forum or newsgroup was for.
If there are those that thinks this is their private country club and all
here have to walk in step then there cannot be anything learned. I rekon
I'll just lurk for a time. If something comes along that someone wants to
know about, I will just try e-mailing them instead of posting here, at least
till I see who and what is going on. Later.

"Chris Rennert" wrote in message
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Steve,
I am sure none of us thought you would take any of this so personally.
I went through spool after spool of using Vanish as leader material, and
I broke it more than enough times to move on to something else.
The question was asked about anyone using Vanish, and everyone answered
with their opinions and experiences. You haven't had any issues, in my
opinion you are just lucky, or using very heavy leaders. I guess I look
at it this way, I am only able to fish so much (which I guess is
relatively a lot) and the last thing I want to do is talk about the one
that got away when it was something I could have prevented by using
better equipment.
Just my take

Chris
Steve Erwin wrote:
Maybe it IS the case here Bob. All the dissing the Vanish line and all.
I
have no stock in Berkley and receive exactly nada from them.What's with
the
freakin attitude????? Do you not think that sunlight is harmful to it?
It's
no secret. All the line companies warn about it. I always ignored it too
until it started happenin to me and found out what was causing it. I
figured
it wasn't rocket science. I left this newsgroup once because it seemed
if
you weren't in the "click" everything one would say is assaulted. Damn I
guess things aint changed around here!
"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
.. .
"Steve Erwin" wrote in message
...
Just posting what I have experienced. The stuff works for me. Just for
kicks, do any of you store your rods and reels anywhere near a window
in
the
house or garage?
If that were the case don't you think we would have problems with all
our
line?


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"Steve Erwin" wrote in message
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Maybe it IS the case here Bob. All the dissing the Vanish line and all. I
have no stock in Berkley and receive exactly nada from them.What's with
the
freakin attitude????? Do you not think that sunlight is harmful to it?
It's
no secret. All the line companies warn about it. I always ignored it too
until it started happenin to me and found out what was causing it. I
figured
it wasn't rocket science. I left this newsgroup once because it seemed if
you weren't in the "click" everything one would say is assaulted. Damn I
guess things aint changed around here!


LOL. I think you read that the worng way. If I left my rods out in the sun
wouldn't I have the same problem with all my line? You had good luck with
whatever size of Vanish you use. That's fine, but lots of folks here
including me have had crap luck with Vanish. We said so. Do we not have
the right to state our opinion if it contradicts yours?

Perhaps if you answered all queries first we would be forwarned so as not to
say anything that disagrees with your opinion or view point.

In the click. That is just too funny. I am so far out of the click that I
have to take a running start to catch up and try what they say about me.
LOL.


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"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
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"Steve Erwin" wrote in message
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Just posting what I have experienced. The stuff works for me. Just for
kicks, do any of you store your rods and reels anywhere near a window
in
the
house or garage?

If that were the case don't you think we would have problems with all our
line?


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Did I say a freakin thing about your experience? Nope. I told mine and what
was the cause of some of my problems. Take it or leave it.

quote: If that were the case don't you think we would have problems with all
our
line?

I aint Al, so don't answer me like I was.
Nope. Never had a problem when mine were left on the deck all day, but they
were used and wet. Direct sun thru a window for days and sometimes a week
did though. That is what I said. Did it do it to just the Vanish line? Nope.
Did it to the Stren and Berkley Trilene too. I can duplicate that as many
times as you'd like. If they are kept out of sunlight when stored, I never
have a problem. Never tried this, but some friends keep their rods in the
trunks of their cars( yes in Texas we do drive cars also). In the summer
time it gets mighty hot in there and seems that heat is detrimental to the
line also. I know none of you have a hard time believing that. Ultra violet
rays are bad for many things, plastic, PVC, momo, flouro, etc. Surely you
don't have a problem with that. Sorry that y'all don't like Vanish. If I
have a problem with lines I dump em too. Later.

"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
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"Steve Erwin" wrote in message
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Maybe it IS the case here Bob. All the dissing the Vanish line and all.
I
have no stock in Berkley and receive exactly nada from them.What's with
the
freakin attitude????? Do you not think that sunlight is harmful to it?
It's
no secret. All the line companies warn about it. I always ignored it too
until it started happenin to me and found out what was causing it. I
figured
it wasn't rocket science. I left this newsgroup once because it seemed
if
you weren't in the "click" everything one would say is assaulted. Damn I
guess things aint changed around here!


LOL. I think you read that the worng way. If I left my rods out in the
sun
wouldn't I have the same problem with all my line? You had good luck with
whatever size of Vanish you use. That's fine, but lots of folks here
including me have had crap luck with Vanish. We said so. Do we not have
the right to state our opinion if it contradicts yours?

Perhaps if you answered all queries first we would be forwarned so as not
to
say anything that disagrees with your opinion or view point.

In the click. That is just too funny. I am so far out of the click that
I
have to take a running start to catch up and try what they say about me.
LOL.


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"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
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"Steve Erwin" wrote in message
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Just posting what I have experienced. The stuff works for me. Just
for
kicks, do any of you store your rods and reels anywhere near a window
in
the
house or garage?

If that were the case don't you think we would have problems with all
our
line?


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"Steve Erwin" wrote in message
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Did I say a freakin thing about your experience? Nope. I told mine and
what
was the cause of some of my problems. Take it or leave it.

quote: If that were the case don't you think we would have problems with
all
our
line?

I aint Al, so don't answer me like I was.
Nope. Never had a problem when mine were left on the deck all day, but
they
were used and wet. Direct sun thru a window for days and sometimes a week
did though.

Sure, and if that was the cause of all the rest of our problems with the
Vanish don't you think we would have had problems with all the rest of out
lines too?

P.S. My rods get stored below deck or in the storage building where I keep
my boat. The only time they see daylight is when I'm fishing.

Seaguar doesn't have a problem for me. Suffix doesn't have a problem for
me. P-Line Flouroclear will delaminate after a couple days of continuous
fishing, but otherwise has no unexpected problems. P-Line pure flouro seems
to work as expected. Berkley Big Game seems to work fine except its stiffer
than Suffix. Maxima mono and flouro carbon seem to perform within spec for
their line size. Most of the braids seem hold up ok.

Just Vanish, Super Mono XX, and Iron Silk so far have gone on my not again
list with Vanish being the worst.

Heck, I had less random break offs with the cheap spools of mono I woud buy
from K-Mart when I was a kid. Now those rods got left everywhere back then,
and the line still worked ok. Sometimes without being changed except once a
year.

I really don't think UV or heat is the cause the bad experience I had with
Vanish.

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Did I say a freakin thing about your experience? Nope. I told mine and
what
was the cause of some of my problems. Take it or leave it.


I love newsgroups with an attitude and the will to back it up. Haven't had
this much fun since I suscribed to alt.food.wine.

My experience with Vanish, as I said before, is not that great. I have lost
more lures and fish on Vanish than any other line. I use braid quite a bit
and love it. I use mono and like it. I also fly cast for bass, bluegills
and crappie. I have never had a breakage on Orvis 3X tippet. Yet, my
Vanish occasionally breaks. Go figure. I am careful to store my rods/reels
out of the sun per manufacturers advice.

I will take the advice of the group and try another fluoro next season
because I do like the soft hookups it seems to give.

"johnval1" wrote in message
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Did I say a freakin thing about your experience? Nope. I told mine and
what
was the cause of some of my problems. Take it or leave it.


I love newsgroups with an attitude and the will to back it up. Haven't
had this much fun since I suscribed to alt.food.wine.

My experience with Vanish, as I said before, is not that great. I have
lost more lures and fish on Vanish than any other line. I use braid quite
a bit and love it. I use mono and like it. I also fly cast for bass,
bluegills and crappie. I have never had a breakage on Orvis 3X tippet.
Yet, my Vanish occasionally breaks. Go figure. I am careful to store my
rods/reels out of the sun per manufacturers advice.

I will take the advice of the group and try another fluoro next season
because I do like the soft hookups it seems to give.

I've use Seaguar CarbonPro, P-Line 100% Flouro, and Maxima 100% Flouro.

The lighter Seguar 10lb or less seems to barely meet its line weight class,
but it is very consistant. No surprises. The 12lb fight like a much
heavier line. Hammer flips with the 15 a lot. I've only used the P-Line in
12lb and it was fine. I have used Maxima in 8 lb for dropshotting because
the sales rep initially gave me a spool to try, and it performed very well
for an 8lb line. In fact I just bought a couple more spools of the 8lb
Maxima for my finnesse rods.


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