pre- trip report

Heading out in a few minutes for two weeks in Western N.C. for a little
fishing, Hope to join my mentor Jeff Miller for a couple of lessons before
he ends his two week trip. I have cabin on Snowbird Creek ( stocked
section } so if anyone is in area and wants to join me for a short hike
call 910 262 7761-you have to be close to get wife's cell phone.

Checked Roff for a few clues to improve my catch rate but found mostly war
talk and election talk. Perhaps we should change the name of our newsgroup
as contents have certainly changed over the years.

Luckerly (?) I have printed out fishing hints over the years from Willie,
Bruiser. even nympher Dave, etc and will take my file along and try
different interesting methods of rigging , casting, and presentation each
day so I don't just get tired of reeling in fish.
You guys have fun and organize the world while I,m gone.

Indian Joe

Joe McIntosh wrote:
Heading out in a few minutes for two weeks in Western N.C. for a little
fishing, Hope to join my mentor Jeff Miller for a couple of lessons before
he ends his two week trip.

Have a good time, Joe. Right now I'm stuck in Moriarty, NM, with a flat
tire and cross threaded lug nut. Hopefully the guys at Larry's can get
it off and I'll continue on my way home from my 8 week journey.
--
Charlie...

On 10 Oct 2006 06:15:19 -0700, "Charlie Choc"
wrote:


Joe McIntosh wrote:
Heading out in a few minutes for two weeks in Western N.C. for a little
fishing, Hope to join my mentor Jeff Miller for a couple of lessons before
he ends his two week trip.

Have a good time, Joe. Right now I'm stuck in Moriarty, NM, with a flat
tire and cross threaded lug nut. Hopefully the guys at Larry's can get
it off and I'll continue on my way home from my 8 week journey.

Unless there's something unusual about the hub with the flat, just snap
off the lug (it can be done with a 4-way wrench, or certainly, an
appropriate socket, straight/"breaker" bar, and if need be, a cheater
pipe (simply a length of pipe that will fit over the breaker bar and not
bend, ala chain-link fence top-rail of something). Then simply remove
the rest of lug nuts, the wheel and tire, and knock the stub of the lug
out from the front. If you can't knock the stub out, you can remount
the fixed tire using the remaining 4 or 5 nuts and be carefully on your
way to a larger repair facility.

HTH,
R

wrote:

Unless there's something unusual about the hub with the flat, just snap
off the lug (it can be done with a 4-way wrench, or certainly, an
appropriate socket, straight/"breaker" bar, and if need be, a cheater
pipe (simply a length of pipe that will fit over the breaker bar and not
bend, ala chain-link fence top-rail of something). Then simply remove
the rest of lug nuts, the wheel and tire, and knock the stub of the lug
out from the front. If you can't knock the stub out, you can remount
the fixed tire using the remaining 4 or 5 nuts and be carefully on your
way to a larger repair facility.

Nothing unusual, other than the nut was cross threaded. They had
already tried all that you suggested and ended up getting it off with a
torch. They replaced all the bolts and I was on my way before noon
local time. Thanks for the call, BTW, the cell coverage is poor around
there and I didn't get the voicemail message until they were almost
done.
--
Charlie...

On 10 Oct 2006 17:30:15 -0700, "Charlie Choc"
wrote:


wrote:

Unless there's something unusual about the hub with the flat, just snap
off the lug (it can be done with a 4-way wrench, or certainly, an
appropriate socket, straight/"breaker" bar, and if need be, a cheater
pipe (simply a length of pipe that will fit over the breaker bar and not
bend, ala chain-link fence top-rail of something). Then simply remove
the rest of lug nuts, the wheel and tire, and knock the stub of the lug
out from the front. If you can't knock the stub out, you can remount
the fixed tire using the remaining 4 or 5 nuts and be carefully on your
way to a larger repair facility.

Nothing unusual, other than the nut was cross threaded. They had
already tried all that you suggested and ended up getting it off with a
torch. They replaced all the bolts and I was on my way before noon
local time. Thanks for the call, BTW, the cell coverage is poor around
there and I didn't get the voicemail message until they were almost
done.

Kinda figured you were set to run, but a small part of me had a vision
of you getting an old-fashioned "canuter valve and bavet flange"
treatment...

Anyway, glad to hear that you, and if you're hauling the trailernator,
are back on the road. If you are taking, or should to take a fancy to
take, a southerly route and care to swing through NO/the coast, give a
shout...

TC,
R

On 10 Oct 2006 06:15:19 -0700, "Charlie Choc"
wrote:


Joe McIntosh wrote:
Heading out in a few minutes for two weeks in Western N.C. for a little
fishing, Hope to join my mentor Jeff Miller for a couple of lessons before
he ends his two week trip.

Have a good time, Joe. Right now I'm stuck in Moriarty, NM, with a flat
tire and cross threaded lug nut. Hopefully the guys at Larry's can get
it off and I'll continue on my way home from my 8 week journey.

And just a follow-up to this, to all that might have an interest: this
is why I _never_ let tire folks start the lug nuts with pneumatics. If
they don't have a 4-way to spin 'em down, I'll hand them mine. I don't
mind them torque'ing with one, but no starting them with it - it'll
cross-thread before they know it, and there's a good chance they won't
even know it, even they were the type who would fix it if they knew it
had crossed.

And another aside - always carry something besides the dog-leg,
pot-metal-socket-wrench-crap, or other pseudotool that comes with most
cars - either a good 4-way or a breaker bar and appropriately-sized
_real_ socket. If it is crossed, at least you can twist/snap off the
lug with real tools.

TC,
R

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On 10 Oct 2006 06:15:19 -0700, "Charlie Choc"
wrote:

And another aside - always carry something besides the dog-leg,
pot-metal-socket-wrench-crap, or other pseudotool that comes with most
cars - either a good 4-way or a breaker bar and appropriately-sized
_real_ socket. If it is crossed, at least you can twist/snap off the
lug with real tools.

The best way I know to snap a crossthreaded lug, or urge one along, if you
don't have the appropriate cheater bar, is to put the 4-way on, then put the
car in gear, and roll forward (or backward, depending on the thread) slowly.
The 4-way (even an L-shaped lugnut tool) will catch against the ground, and
twist the lug.

Just be sure the frozen lug is the FIRST lug you remove....

--riverman

riverman typed:
wrote in message
news
On 10 Oct 2006 06:15:19 -0700, "Charlie Choc"
wrote:

And another aside - always carry something besides the dog-leg,
pot-metal-socket-wrench-crap, or other pseudotool that comes with
most cars - either a good 4-way or a breaker bar and
appropriately-sized _real_ socket. If it is crossed, at least you
can twist/snap off the lug with real tools.

The best way I know to snap a crossthreaded lug, or urge one along,
if you don't have the appropriate cheater bar, is to put the 4-way
on, then put the car in gear, and roll forward (or backward,
depending on the thread) slowly. The 4-way (even an L-shaped lugnut
tool) will catch against the ground, and twist the lug.

Just be sure the frozen lug is the FIRST lug you remove....

Now *that's* a great visual!
--
TL,
Tim
-------------------------
http://css.sbcma.com/timj

riverman wrote:

Just be sure the frozen lug is the FIRST lug you remove....

Actually, the 2nd set of wrecker guys sort of wanted me to take off all
the lugs and then drive around and see if the frozen one would break
off - after they had chisled as much as they could - but they wouldn't
really come right out and recommend it. I chose to have it towed to a
shop instead, and I'm glad I did.
--
Charlie...

On 11 Oct 2006 17:48:12 -0700, "Charlie Choc"
wrote:


riverman wrote:

Just be sure the frozen lug is the FIRST lug you remove....

Actually, the 2nd set of wrecker guys sort of wanted me to take off all
the lugs and then drive around and see if the frozen one would break
off - after they had chisled as much as they could - but they wouldn't
really come right out and recommend it. I chose to have it towed to a
shop instead, and I'm glad I did.

Chiseled!? Um, it sure sounds like there was some definite chiseling
going on...if it ever happens again, get a _good_ 4-way and put the
appropriate end on the crossed lug nut and then, there are two ways to
snap off the stud: 1. put the "grab" ends at a slight angle (so it's not
quite parallel to the ground) and see if it will turn. If it will _at
all_ you need to _tighten_ it to twist off the stud (just like twisting
off a bolt by over-tightening it), but if it's so cross-threaded it
won't turn, give it a quick, hard "snatch-and-jerk," pulling one end and
pushing the other. If you have no luck, or know you aren't up to doing
it that way, try method 2: put the 4-way on with the "grab" ends as
close to up and down as you can. Sit parallel to the car, and put a
foot on the lower bar and grab the upper, and see if that will let you
turn it. If not, try the quick, hard snap method. Normal
passenger-vehicle studs aren't don't have that much tensile strength, so
generally, you can twist off/snap off the lug nut easier than you can
cold-chisel it off.

HTH,
R