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"Damifino" wrote in message
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White Perch...Is that what we call Crappie here? There's a Black specie
as well. I've also heard the Striped Bass called a White Perch. I just
call em Stripe regardless of the specie..

I can't speak for other peoples' usage, but the white perch, along with
white bass and striped bass, is a member of the temperate bass family,
which are true bass, and is not the same as crappie.

Black bass (SM, LM, spotted, etc.) are actually members of the sunfish
family, as are the crappie species.


Some people call different fish different names depending on what part of
the country your from. When I was fishing Lake Erie they called what we call
DRUM here SHEEPHEADS...
I have heard crappie called white perch In Louisiana and considering he's
from Mississippi I kind of though it might be crappie.We even pronounce the
word Crappie different than others...We say it like CROP-ie...I've heard
others form the north say it like CRAP-ie...Weird I suppose. Thanks for the
reply...

You are probably technically correct, but Crappie have always been
called white perch here.

If you put 'Crappie White Perch' into any search engine you will find
lots of examples that they are used for the same fish,

http://www.combat-fishing.com/fishen...itecrappie.htm

Jim

Marty wrote:
"Damifino" wrote in message
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White Perch...Is that what we call Crappie here? There's a Black specie as
well. I've also heard the Striped Bass called a White Perch. I just call
em Stripe regardless of the specie..

I can't speak for other peoples' usage, but the white perch, along with
white bass and striped bass, is a member of the temperate bass family, which
are true bass, and is not the same as crappie.

Black bass (SM, LM, spotted, etc.) are actually members of the sunfish
family, as are the crappie species.

You are probably technically correct, but Crappie have always been
called white perch here.

If you put 'Crappie White Perch' into any search engine you will find
lots of examples that they are used for the same fish,

http://www.combat-fishing.com/fishen...itecrappie.htm

Jim

Marty wrote:
"Damifino" wrote in message
. ..

White Perch...Is that what we call Crappie here? There's a Black specie as
well. I've also heard the Striped Bass called a White Perch. I just call
em Stripe regardless of the specie..

I can't speak for other peoples' usage, but the white perch, along with
white bass and striped bass, is a member of the temperate bass family, which
are true bass, and is not the same as crappie.

Black bass (SM, LM, spotted, etc.) are actually members of the sunfish
family, as are the crappie species.

On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 17:37:24 -0500, "Damifino"
wrote:

I have heard crappie called white perch In Louisiana and considering he's
from Mississippi I kind of though it might be crappie.We even pronounce the
word Crappie different than others...We say it like CROP-ie...I've heard
others form the north say it like CRAP-ie...Weird I suppose.

I think people call crappie more names in the book than any other
fish. I've heard different pronunications from "Crappie, Croppie, to
Crawpie" and names for them like speck, speckled bass, speckled
crappie, speckled perch, papermouth, moonfish, lamplighter, calico
bass, strawberry, and of course....white perch.

I've read that some people even call them silver bass, butter
bass, grass bass, and oswego bass...but don't recall anyone using
those terms for em'...

Crappie is a great fish and I'll probably spend more time in
October fishing for them than largemouth/smallmouth...

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Excellent post, and I cannot say I disagree with you on any of those
facts, except maybe your perception of my stance on your generation. I
have no issues with any generation, my issue was with the divide between
the generations and the lack of respect between the generations. It
goes both ways as well, my generation is just a guilty of disrespecting
those that came before us as anyone. Also, just because I do not
automatically give respect based on someones age, doesn't mean I
disrespect them either.
This topic really did not stray far from being actually about fishing.
Fishing is something I love to do, and I am very passionate about it.
If someone younger, louder, and more obnoxious than I and kicks my butt
out on the water as well, heck, I'll take the beating and give him his
due. See this has always been my experience, that when an older
fisherman out fishes someone significantly younger it is because of
experience, and if a young fisherman walks the field of older fisherman
it is beginners luck, or there was something to it. I think that is
total crap, can't the older fisherman just be better than the others,
and vice versa? That is why I got so defensive about Ike, when the
young spoiled brat comment came out, and then the old school anglers
taking their morals with them to the grave, etc. I took it personally,
was it aimed at me in particular, most definitely not. so......I don't
know.
wrote:
Chris Rennert wrote:
The moral decay of society is caused by the "Old Timers" writing us off
because we do things differently than they do, therefore creating
tension and attitude on both sides of the ball. Nobody owes anyone
respect, I don't have to respect you just because you are older than me,
and you don't have to respect me at all.


The moral decay of society is caused by not having productive things
for people to do and by the I/Me attitude projected in the media IMHO.
If you don't believe we are a self centered society, you need only look
at the divorce rate. (around 52%) We have way too much leisure time
on our hands.

Today's generation has far less quality options to occupy their time
and far more recreational time choices with dire consequences and too
many are making bad choices. When my parents were young they had to
work with the family to produce food to eat and clothes to wear. I
don't know that my mother ever wore store bought clothes. We had
gardens and chickens in the city. They spent time harvesting the
garden and canning. Every season had something that had to be done or
preparing for something. We do hardly any of the fundementals any
more.

It seems to me that the gap between my parents and myself was HUGE. I
now have a full appreciation for the 'greatest generation,' being my
parents generation. They went to WWII for 4 years and people at home
united to support the effort. They industrialized the world. They
believed in civic duty. They had family values and believed in a
higher being that guided their behavior You may not believe in God,
that is your choice. I certainly have questions about biblical things
myself, but I am certain that a society that believes in a higher being
is better than one that does not. I am afraid that we are headed in
the wrong direction on this one.

I am sure there have been equally great generations, but it hasn't been
the last two. I have no qualms about saying that my generation
abandoned the values my parents had as soon as we were grown because
they seemed to restrictive. We are responsible for the beginning of
the decline.

They felt the same way about my generation and I felt pretty much about
them the way you do about us. Now that I am old enough to fully
apprecaite what they stood for, accomplished, and sacrificed for what
they believed, I am totally aware of how much my generation has eroded
the standards they set.

Respect? Respect your elders has always been a fundemental for me. If
for no other reason, like the tombstone said "As you are now, I once
was" Or elders need us and we will be them one day.

Cheers

.. I took it personally,
was it aimed at me in particular, most definitely not. so......I don't
know.

Wasn't anything aimed at anyone personally..We just come from different
generations and different parts of the Nation.
We all still like fishing and that's all that matters. Maybe someone got
something out of J.S.'s post that will help people understand what we mean
when we talk about the "old timers"...
No harm, no foul....We been chatting up white perch, or crappie all day
along with snow somewhere I responded to earlier. Long live HUMIDITY!!! We
also been talking about PACA Craws and Zoom Flukes....Any thoughts? You
should try that fluke on a jig head for those small mouth.
I've caught boatloads on the Tennessee River when it was so cold we had
coveralls on! I don't know where you from but I do know you spoke of
smallmouth in another thread. From my understanding they love the cold
weather. Probably a lot better than I do here in Alabama!

I also didn't mean to direct anything directly at you, I just went into
an instant defensive state (a flaw in my character).
I am up here near Steve Huber, in Wisconsin. I live in Neenah, with is
about 30 minutes south of Green Bay. I fish Lake Winnebago almost
exclusively for both smallmouth and largemouth.
I have actually used the fluke on a jig (but the smaller version, fluke
jr.) under a float (bobber to some) and really hammer the smallmouth on
them, at least until they start preferring hair jigs, then I am all
float n fly until the ice arrives. Lately I have been really whacking
them on the rattling baits (I just bought 5 Yo-zuri rattling baits from
Cabela's online, they were selling them for 2.99 (some fall special)).
Biggest size was 3/8, so that should be adequate. I would have bought
more, but they only had them in gold, and I just bought half a dozen
bill lewis gold rattl traps. It is about 34 degrees here right now, so
this weekend might be all float n fly, I might even, dare I even say it,
have to use live bait :-)

Chris
Damifino wrote:
. I took it personally,
was it aimed at me in particular, most definitely not. so......I don't
know.

Wasn't anything aimed at anyone personally..We just come from different
generations and different parts of the Nation.
We all still like fishing and that's all that matters. Maybe someone got
something out of J.S.'s post that will help people understand what we mean
when we talk about the "old timers"...
No harm, no foul....We been chatting up white perch, or crappie all day
along with snow somewhere I responded to earlier. Long live HUMIDITY!!! We
also been talking about PACA Craws and Zoom Flukes....Any thoughts? You
should try that fluke on a jig head for those small mouth.
I've caught boatloads on the Tennessee River when it was so cold we had
coveralls on! I don't know where you from but I do know you spoke of
smallmouth in another thread. From my understanding they love the cold
weather. Probably a lot better than I do here in Alabama!

Chris Rennert wrote:
This topic really did not stray far from being actually about fishing.
Fishing is something I love to do, and I am very passionate about it.
If someone younger, louder, and more obnoxious than I and kicks my butt
out on the water as well, heck, I'll take the beating and give him his
due.

I guess I don't get valuing obnoxiousness.

See this has always been my experience, that when an older
fisherman out fishes someone significantly younger it is because of
experience, and if a young fisherman walks the field of older fisherman
it is beginners luck, or there was something to it. I think that is
total crap, can't the older fisherman just be better than the others,
and vice versa?

Not sure what to say here without offending.

That is why I got so defensive about Ike, when the
young spoiled brat comment came out, and then the old school anglers
taking their morals with them to the grave, etc. I took it personally,
was it aimed at me in particular, most definitely not. so......I don't
know.

Of course I didn't say anything about him being spoiled or a brat. I
actually found him very intertaining and refreshing until he did what
he did at the bassmasters. Throughout history people have had defining
moments that seem to capture their true character and they can never
get away from it. Clinton was a smart man and the country had good
economic times under him, but he had a defining moment that showed his
true character.

There must be a hundred or more sports figures that have had a slip of
the tongue and it ruined their career.

Pressure caused Ike to react the way he did, but I believe it was his
core character that he displayed in a pressure packed moment. Like I
said, breaking the running light was just a little temper tantrum.
Throwing back a dead fish was unethical and basically cheating.
Pressure is sort of like drinking... when you get enough in you, what
is really inside will come out.

I do understand where you are coming from though Chris. Were you are
now, I once was also.

Cheers

Jim

Fascinating conversation. Both "generations" and "crappie". Let me
recommend "Generations" by Strauss and Howe. It is the definitive read on
the cycles of the 4 recurring generational personalities in Anglo-American
history since the 1500s. I believe it will allow those of you who are
interested in this subject to better understand your generational
differences, the transition between generations, and the experiences which
shape out generational references to life. This book has changed the lives
of many people and it appears to me that some of you will find it worthwhile
as well. Good stuff for those long winter nights.

As for crappie, as of two days ago, I was still catching them on a fly rod
and chartreuse poppers. Also caught a 12" bass on the same popper. I could
not believe a bass would still take a top lure with the weather as cold as
it has been here in MI.

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Chris Rennert wrote:
This topic really did not stray far from being actually about fishing.
Fishing is something I love to do, and I am very passionate about it.
If someone younger, louder, and more obnoxious than I and kicks my butt
out on the water as well, heck, I'll take the beating and give him his
due.

I guess I don't get valuing obnoxiousness.

See this has always been my experience, that when an older
fisherman out fishes someone significantly younger it is because of
experience, and if a young fisherman walks the field of older fisherman
it is beginners luck, or there was something to it. I think that is
total crap, can't the older fisherman just be better than the others,
and vice versa?

Not sure what to say here without offending.

That is why I got so defensive about Ike, when the
young spoiled brat comment came out, and then the old school anglers
taking their morals with them to the grave, etc. I took it personally,
was it aimed at me in particular, most definitely not. so......I don't
know.

Of course I didn't say anything about him being spoiled or a brat. I
actually found him very intertaining and refreshing until he did what
he did at the bassmasters. Throughout history people have had defining
moments that seem to capture their true character and they can never
get away from it. Clinton was a smart man and the country had good
economic times under him, but he had a defining moment that showed his
true character.

There must be a hundred or more sports figures that have had a slip of
the tongue and it ruined their career.

Pressure caused Ike to react the way he did, but I believe it was his
core character that he displayed in a pressure packed moment. Like I
said, breaking the running light was just a little temper tantrum.
Throwing back a dead fish was unethical and basically cheating.
Pressure is sort of like drinking... when you get enough in you, what
is really inside will come out.

I do understand where you are coming from though Chris. Were you are
now, I once was also.

Cheers

Jim

Fascinating conversation. Both "generations" and "crappie". As for
crappie, as of two days ago, I was still catching them on a fly rod
and chartreuse poppers.

Crappie on a fly rod???????
Wow! I wish theyd do that here in Alabama...We have to probe the tree-tops
and cover to find ours. Stil lots of fun with a "cane-pole" and minnows!