OT Yep, what we need is another agency

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Er, no - you are confusing at least three different type of entities.
General Motors, the Catholic Church (buggery or otherwise), and the UAW
are for-profit organizations (regardless of US taxation status - meaning
that they expect, even demand, that the purse, regardless of "the
books," show more at the end of year than at the start). Enron ain't
anything. And any military is arguably, by definition, "run amok"
because you really can't politely or cheaply kill people and break their
**** according to nice little formulas - the budget is subject to wild
swings (and no, I'm not defending _all_ expenditures). The
aforementioned, with the exception of militaries, might have or have had
bureaucracies, but at the end of the day, there has got to be some
semblance of making money.

OTOH, neither the IRS or the SSA really has to even pretend to answer
the same questions or the same produce "profit" such as public
corporations or a military force.

As to the IRS compared to the SSA, it makes the SSA look like a bunch of
pickpockets in a diamond mine.



I believe that for the majority of the folks steamrollered by one or
more
of these, the distinctions you draw are largely moot. And all of them
share an overriding similarity: their primary motive is
self-preservation
and perpetuation. All else is secondary.

On 11 Oct 2006 19:33:18 -0700, "
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wrote:
.....
Er, no - you are confusing at least three different type of entities.
General Motors, the Catholic Church (buggery or otherwise), and the UAW
are for-profit organizations (regardless of US taxation status - meaning
that they expect, even demand, that the purse, regardless of "the
books," show more at the end of year than at the start). Enron ain't
anything. And any military is arguably, by definition, "run amok"
because you really can't politely or cheaply kill people and break their
**** according to nice little formulas - the budget is subject to wild
swings (and no, I'm not defending _all_ expenditures). The
aforementioned, with the exception of militaries, might have or have had
bureaucracies, but at the end of the day, there has got to be some
semblance of making money.

OTOH, neither the IRS or the SSA really has to even pretend to answer
the same questions or the same produce "profit" such as public
corporations or a military force.

As to the IRS compared to the SSA, it makes the SSA look like a bunch of
pickpockets in a diamond mine.



I believe that for the majority of the folks steamrollered by one or
more
of these, the distinctions you draw are largely moot.

Anyone who gets or got "steamrollered" by GM, Enron, or any other equity
investment got what they set themselves up for - good, bad, or neutral.
They went in by choice, and if they got hammered, they knew the risk.

Although IMO, "military" is a category unto itself, if it is the
military you accuse of "steamroller(ing)" anyone, unless they were an
innocent bystander with "clean hands," again, they went in knowing it
was possible.

OTOH, Social Security and the IRS allow those subject to them no
(practical) choice in the matter - the can and will put yer ass in jail
if you cross them. GM can't do a flockin' thing to anyone who simply
chooses not to be a stockholder, and really, doesn't care if this or
that person chooses to or not to be a stockholder.

And all of them share an overriding similarity: their primary motive is
self-preservation and perpetuation. All else is secondary.

Not really. A corporation's primary motive is (and should be) profit -
look to many corporations that are willingly, if the profit motive is
satisfied, taken over/bought/merged into others. Again OTOH, the IRS
and SSA are extremely concerned with self-preservation (and as such,
perpetuation) and have no concern for "profit" as it traditionally
thought of. They are primarily concerned with being supported by,
rather than answerable to, the "investors," and in fact, have legal
power over the people they are supposed to serve.

And if you're not just trolling, you seem to have a real persecution
complex. Corporations and militaries, unlike the IRA and SSA, really
don't have any "self-interest" or "feeling" one way or the other for any
particular individual and as such, really don't have any interest
whether any particular individual "participates" or not.

TC,
R