River Bank Erosion

Tim Lysyk wrote:
Wolfgang wrote:
Fred Lebow wrote:
I was on the Gallatin River and I saw something that I have never seen
before.
Crushed old vehicles used for river bank stabilization.
I guess if it works - great-??

Although - Not too pretty

Nor too environmentally friendly, I should think.

Wolfgang

The Crowsnest River has an area where the bank is lined by ore cars.
They are filled in and overgrown now, but you can still see them. The
fishing isn't too bad in that spot either.

Oar cars. Hm.....

Presumably, you're referring to railroad cars. Take the trucks out
from under them and the're just steel boxes. Seems innocuous enough to
me. Automobiles are another matter entirely.

Wolfgang

Wolfgang wrote:
Oar cars. Hm.....

Presumably, you're referring to railroad cars. Take the trucks out
from under them and the're just steel boxes. Seems innocuous enough to
me. Automobiles are another matter entirely.

Wolfgang


Actually, they are small ore cars, like the type used in mines. Yes,
except for the rust, they are just steel boxes.

Tim Lysyk

Wolfgang wrote:
Tim Lysyk wrote:
Wolfgang wrote:
Fred Lebow wrote:
I was on the Gallatin River and I saw something that I have never seen
before.
Crushed old vehicles used for river bank stabilization.
I guess if it works - great-??

Although - Not too pretty

Nor too environmentally friendly, I should think.

Wolfgang

The Crowsnest River has an area where the bank is lined by ore cars.
They are filled in and overgrown now, but you can still see them. The
fishing isn't too bad in that spot either.

Oar cars. Hm.....

Presumably, you're referring to railroad cars. Take the trucks out
from under them and the're just steel boxes. Seems innocuous enough to
me. Automobiles are another matter entirely.

Wolfgang

Yeah, Good point (your first?), I recall reading a study that suggested
the primary source of PCP polution in MT fresh water was leaking brake
fluid from car rip rap.

Skwala

Yeah, Good point (your first?), I recall reading a study that suggested
the primary source of PCP polution in MT fresh water was leaking brake
fluid from car rip rap.

Skwala


Can you remember where you read that?
It is not surprising - just more depressing on the night the Mets lost!

Fred
Fred Lebow

Fred Lebow wrote:
Yeah, Good point (your first?), I recall reading a study that suggested
the primary source of PCP polution in MT fresh water was leaking brake
fluid from car rip rap.

Skwala


Can you remember where you read that?
It is not surprising - just more depressing on the night the Mets lost!

Fred
Fred Lebow


Well, it was the early 80's... so it as in print... but I'll do a brief
search to come up with the cites...

On Thu, 19 Oct 2006 22:06:46 -0600, "Fred Lebow"
wrote:

Yeah, Good point (your first?), I recall reading a study that suggested
the primary source of PCP polution in MT fresh water was leaking brake
fluid from car rip rap.

PCP pollution?! From _brake fluid_?! Have you been subjected to a lot
of this, um, "pollution?"

Skwala


Can you remember where you read that?

My bet is the answer would be something along the lines of,
"Strawberries!!"..."I'm a little teapot..."

It is not surprising

Uh, it's not? OK, I'll bite - just how leaking brake fluid, or anything
else on in, on, or related to an auto, causing "PCP pollution?"

- just more depressing on the night the Mets lost!

...."more depressing...," you say? Well, it would explain the PCP...

WTF,
R

wrote:
On Thu, 19 Oct 2006 22:06:46 -0600, "Fred Lebow"
wrote:

Yeah, Good point (your first?), I recall reading a study that suggested
the primary source of PCP polution in MT fresh water was leaking brake
fluid from car rip rap.

PCP pollution?! From _brake fluid_?! Have you been subjected to a lot
of this, um, "pollution?"

Skwala

A quick google-ing returns scores of envionmetal studies concerning the
pollution effects from automotive chemicals... I may have had the PCP
source from brake fluid wrong, however.... memory, its a sometimes
thing...




Can you remember where you read that?

My bet is the answer would be something along the lines of,
"Strawberries!!"..."I'm a little teapot..."

Ahhhhh, short and stout?



It is not surprising

Uh, it's not? OK, I'll bite - just how leaking brake fluid, or anything
else on in, on, or related to an auto, causing "PCP pollution?"


Most definately pollution... definately, brake fluid is a problem...
definately, car leak bad things in to the water....

wrote:
A quick google-ing returns scores of envionmetal studies concerning the
pollution effects from automotive chemicals... I may have had the PCP
source from brake fluid wrong, however.... memory, its a sometimes
thing...

Too much phenylcyclohexylpiperidine, aka PCP, probably does have an
adverse effect on memory; and as to how that may or may not have
affected you, I cannot say. However, given the persistance of the
thread's mistaken acronym, I feel compelled to suggest that what you
really mean is polychlorinated biphenyl, PCB.

Joe F.

On 20 Oct 2006 13:13:48 -0700, "rb608" wrote:

wrote:
A quick google-ing returns scores of envionmetal studies concerning the
pollution effects from automotive chemicals... I may have had the PCP
source from brake fluid wrong, however.... memory, its a sometimes
thing...

Too much phenylcyclohexylpiperidine, aka PCP, probably does have an
adverse effect on memory; and as to how that may or may not have
affected you, I cannot say. However, given the persistance of the
thread's mistaken acronym, I feel compelled to suggest that what you
really mean is polychlorinated biphenyl, PCB.

Joe F.

Were there ever PCBs in brake fluid? IIRC, originally, it was something
like cod liver oil and alcohol and now is just another "rating" of
hydraulic fluid (well, several ratings), but ???

TC,
R

rb608 wrote:
wrote:
A quick google-ing returns scores of envionmetal studies concerning the
pollution effects from automotive chemicals... I may have had the PCP
source from brake fluid wrong, however.... memory, its a sometimes
thing...

Too much phenylcyclohexylpiperidine, aka PCP, probably does have an
adverse effect on memory; and as to how that may or may not have
affected you, I cannot say. However, given the persistance of the
thread's mistaken acronym, I feel compelled to suggest that what you
really mean is polychlorinated biphenyl, PCB.

Joe F.

touche.... blame it on the 70's...