River Bank Erosion

On Thu, 19 Oct 2006 22:06:46 -0600, "Fred Lebow"
wrote:

Yeah, Good point (your first?), I recall reading a study that suggested
the primary source of PCP polution in MT fresh water was leaking brake
fluid from car rip rap.

PCP pollution?! From _brake fluid_?! Have you been subjected to a lot
of this, um, "pollution?"

Skwala


Can you remember where you read that?

My bet is the answer would be something along the lines of,
"Strawberries!!"..."I'm a little teapot..."

It is not surprising

Uh, it's not? OK, I'll bite - just how leaking brake fluid, or anything
else on in, on, or related to an auto, causing "PCP pollution?"

- just more depressing on the night the Mets lost!

...."more depressing...," you say? Well, it would explain the PCP...

WTF,
R

wrote:
On Thu, 19 Oct 2006 22:06:46 -0600, "Fred Lebow"
wrote:

Yeah, Good point (your first?), I recall reading a study that suggested
the primary source of PCP polution in MT fresh water was leaking brake
fluid from car rip rap.

PCP pollution?! From _brake fluid_?! Have you been subjected to a lot
of this, um, "pollution?"

Skwala

A quick google-ing returns scores of envionmetal studies concerning the
pollution effects from automotive chemicals... I may have had the PCP
source from brake fluid wrong, however.... memory, its a sometimes
thing...




Can you remember where you read that?

My bet is the answer would be something along the lines of,
"Strawberries!!"..."I'm a little teapot..."

Ahhhhh, short and stout?



It is not surprising

Uh, it's not? OK, I'll bite - just how leaking brake fluid, or anything
else on in, on, or related to an auto, causing "PCP pollution?"


Most definately pollution... definately, brake fluid is a problem...
definately, car leak bad things in to the water....

wrote:
A quick google-ing returns scores of envionmetal studies concerning the
pollution effects from automotive chemicals... I may have had the PCP
source from brake fluid wrong, however.... memory, its a sometimes
thing...

Too much phenylcyclohexylpiperidine, aka PCP, probably does have an
adverse effect on memory; and as to how that may or may not have
affected you, I cannot say. However, given the persistance of the
thread's mistaken acronym, I feel compelled to suggest that what you
really mean is polychlorinated biphenyl, PCB.

Joe F.

On 20 Oct 2006 13:13:48 -0700, "rb608" wrote:

wrote:
A quick google-ing returns scores of envionmetal studies concerning the
pollution effects from automotive chemicals... I may have had the PCP
source from brake fluid wrong, however.... memory, its a sometimes
thing...

Too much phenylcyclohexylpiperidine, aka PCP, probably does have an
adverse effect on memory; and as to how that may or may not have
affected you, I cannot say. However, given the persistance of the
thread's mistaken acronym, I feel compelled to suggest that what you
really mean is polychlorinated biphenyl, PCB.

Joe F.

Were there ever PCBs in brake fluid? IIRC, originally, it was something
like cod liver oil and alcohol and now is just another "rating" of
hydraulic fluid (well, several ratings), but ???

TC,
R

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Were there ever PCBs in brake fluid? IIRC, originally, it was something
like cod liver oil and alcohol and now is just another "rating" of
hydraulic fluid (well, several ratings), but ???

They were used in hyrdarulic fluids of other sorts; whether auto brake fluid
was one of the applications, I really don't know. It's within the range of
possibilities I suppose.

Joe F.

On Sun, 22 Oct 2006 12:25:34 GMT, "rb608"
wrote:

wrote in message
Were there ever PCBs in brake fluid? IIRC, originally, it was something
like cod liver oil and alcohol and now is just another "rating" of
hydraulic fluid (well, several ratings), but ???

They were used in hyrdarulic fluids of other sorts; whether auto brake fluid
was one of the applications, I really don't know. It's within the range of
possibilities I suppose.

Fair enough.

Either way though, I'd offer that the vast majority of autos used for
such erosion control are pretty well stripped, plus have been sitting at
wrecking/breaking yards for a long time, and then, crushed. All of this
would suggest that very little fluids, interior/upholstery,
instrumentation and electronics, etc. would be left, regardless of the
final destination of the crushed remains. And that's the stuff placed
20-plus years ago. With the newer additions (not age of the auto, age
of the placement), all sorts of rules are in place, regardless of where
the car components are going. Refrigerant must be evac'ed, fluids
drained (and recycled), etc. And nowadays, with computerized inventory
and networked marketing, just about anything potentially sellable and
removable is removed and inventoried. I don't think I've been in a
wrecking yard in the last 5 years that doesn't have _some_ form of
computerized system. With newer autos, about all that gets "crushed" is
the unibody and any sheet metal that isn't sellable (totally mangled
doors, fenders, QP sections, etc.).

Bottom line is that economics keeps a lot of material out, regs keeps
just about anything else potentially harmful out, and in the end, what
is used _generally_ would be environmentally neutral.

TC,
R

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Bottom line is that economics keeps a lot of material out, regs keeps
just about anything else potentially harmful out, and in the end, what
is used _generally_ would be environmentally neutral.

Fair enough; but my only reason for entering this thread was the apparent
confusion of the acronyms PCP and PCB. I had no intention of making any
scientific, political, or value judgement beyond that. For all I know,
these cars have PCP in their glove boxes, PCB in their brakes, and STP in
their crankcases.

Joe F.

wrote:

...Bottom line is that economics keeps a lot of material out, regs keeps
just about anything else potentially harmful out, and in the end, what
is used _generally_ would be environmentally neutral.

Horse****, pure and simple.

As a compulsive liar with a store of ignorance truly staggering in both
breadth and depth, it has probably occurred to you that in any given
instance your audience can never tell for sure in what proportions
these major components of your persona are operating. What evidently
continues to escape you entirely, despite it's being pointed out to you
repeatedly, is that it really doesn't matter.

Wolfgang
"environmentally neutral"......crack me up!

rb608 wrote:
wrote:
A quick google-ing returns scores of envionmetal studies concerning the
pollution effects from automotive chemicals... I may have had the PCP
source from brake fluid wrong, however.... memory, its a sometimes
thing...

Too much phenylcyclohexylpiperidine, aka PCP, probably does have an
adverse effect on memory; and as to how that may or may not have
affected you, I cannot say. However, given the persistance of the
thread's mistaken acronym, I feel compelled to suggest that what you
really mean is polychlorinated biphenyl, PCB.

Joe F.

touche.... blame it on the 70's...