River Bank Erosion

On 22 Oct 2006 09:16:50 -0700, "Wolfgang" wrote:

....death, taxes, and Wolfgang...

wrote:
On 22 Oct 2006 08:05:01 -0700, "Wolfgang" wrote:


wrote:

...Bottom line is that economics keeps a lot of material out, regs keeps
just about anything else potentially harmful out, and in the end, what
is used _generally_ would be environmentally neutral.

Horse****, pure and simple.

No, it isn't.

Yes, it is.

As a compulsive liar with a store of ignorance truly staggering in both
breadth and depth, it has probably occurred to you that in any given
instance your audience can never tell for sure in what proportions
these major components of your persona are operating. What evidently
continues to escape you entirely, despite it's being pointed out to you
repeatedly, is that it really doesn't matter.

Are talking to yourself, me, or someone else?

HA! HA! HA! HA! HA!

See, that's what we love about this place......cleverness on a scale
that would make Parker, Twain and Wilde blush with envy.

It might occur to the more-intelligent and observant that I've no
problem coming right out and stating what I don't know,

It has doubtless occurred to all and sundry that you have no problem at
all stating what you don't know. Most, dimly comprehended rules of
grammar notwithstanding, will probably experience little difficulty in
deciding which side of the ambiguity to jump on.

just as I've no problem stating what I do know.

Well, we can only speculate on how much trouble it would cost you, but
we are certain that it wouldn't take long. Hell, for all we know you
may have slipped it in somewhere at just about any point in any of the
myriad bits of inane **** you've posted here over the years. Tell you
what......why don't you just post it again, clearly labeled, so
everyone can make a note of it. That way you can be assured that we'll
all remember and you can leave, secure in the knowledge that everybody
will know all that you know. As a bonus (and as should be obvious now)
everyone will then know that you actually know TWO things!

If it's based strictly on my experience(s), I'll qualify it as appropriate.

Hm......

Based on the extensive and exquisitely detailed resumé you've provided
here over the years, I'm sure we'd all agree that no sort of
qualifications need be (or will be) forthcoming.

And in the instant case,
I'm confident that my knowledge and experience when it comes to
wrecking/breaking yards, automotive/industrial/equipment recycling, and
related activities exceeds yours,

Well, being confident is sort of implicit in confidentiality, ainna?
One supposes that pretty much sums up the point of being El Mysterioso.

and my suspicion is that it does so greatly....

Actually, you're a liar.

and no, YMMWNV...

Oh yeah? Well, JSDFIDHBWPWUBNF! HAH!

Wolfgang
"environmentally neutral"......crack me up!

Yeah, we wouldn't want to go putting carbon- and ore-based materials in
the ground...

Absolutely priceless!

Dickie

Damned if you do......and double damned if you don't. Sucks, don't it?

Wolfgang
let's see now.......what shall we have it call itself NEXT year?


Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz....

On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 13:25:48 -0500, "Wolfgang" wrote:


"Cyli" wrote in message
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On 19 Oct 2006 16:37:44 -0700, "Wolfgang" wrote:




Nor too environmentally friendly, I should think.

Wolfgang

The Crowsnest River has an area where the bank is lined by ore cars.
They are filled in and overgrown now, but you can still see them. The
fishing isn't too bad in that spot either.

Oar cars. Hm.....

Presumably, you're referring to railroad cars. Take the trucks out
from under them and the're just steel boxes. Seems innocuous enough to
me. Automobiles are another matter entirely.


I'm under the impression that the cars for use that way have their
engines and probably gas tanks pulled before they go in the river.
Maybe a lot of their interiors, too, like the seats.

Even when everything but the body and frame is stripped, this still leaves
paint which can be host to a virtually limitless array of toxic substances
including (but by no means limited to) metallic oxides and sulfides and many
organic compounds. There is also a good chance that painted parts will be
prepped with a bonding agent....zinc chromate pickling is one of several
options, especially for powder-coated steel. Sundry waxes and plastics are
used to protect the finish. There will also be zinc on any remaining
galvanized parts. Lead, copper, zinc and cadmium are common components of
batteries. Presumably, all batteries have been removed but they may have
leaked before or during removal. Even if the engine compartment is steam
cleaned, there will almost certainly be propylene glycol and/or other
antifreeze/coolant residues. There will also be motor oil, brake fluid,
transmission fluid, window washer. All of these will also be present on the
undercarriage, along with bits of asphalt, gasoline additives, road paint
and a million other bits of unidentifiable filth.

Meanwhile, I'd bet a shiny new nickel that not all of the removable parts
have been taken out. A lot of stuff isn't salvageable and it takes a lot of
time to completely disassemble a car. Look at the underside of the hood on
your car. Odds are there is some sort of insulation there, used for noise
reduction. This may be fiberglass or some sort of plastic foam. These are
sometimes glued in place. No one is going to make certain that all of this
material (and the glue) is removed. There are hundreds (maybe thousands?)
of fasteners used in the manufacture of automobiles.....clips, snaps,
catches, Velcro, screws, rivets, staples, straps, grommets......all of these
made of rubber, plastics, leather, fabrics, etc. There are gaskets and
seals. There is weather stripping. The instrument panel probably contains
little if anything that anyone would want to salvage or recycle. It
contains some combination of greased gears, cables, LEDs, liquid crystals,
light bulbs, rheostats, resistors, capacitors, silicon chips,
phosphors.....maybe even a few radioactive bits. Carpeting, seat and
ceiling fabrics, that nasty cheap fabric-like stuff they line the inside of
the trunk with.....

.the list goes on and on and on.

And since it's you, it's somewhat surprising that it wasn't at least
twice as long and inaccurate...

....and "everyone" just "knows" how stolen cars are almost always found
with nothing missing but any loose valuables that the owner happened to
leave lying about...why, heck, "chop shops" became so named because of a
peculiar commonality: the folks involved in them seem to have a
voracious appetite for stuffed pork dishes...

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On 22 Oct 2006 09:16:50 -0700, "Wolfgang" wrote:

...death, taxes, and Wolfgang...

Here's what you should do; you should go away now and think long and
hard about who makes your decisions for you......and why.....and what
all of this implies. And then come back someday when you grow some
hair in your pants.

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz....

You're welcome. No charge......this time.

Wolfgang
who, if he is going to write everyone's material for them, thinks he
should be entitled to some sort of just compensation.

On 22 Oct 2006 10:25:47 -0700, "Wolfgang" wrote:


wrote:
On 22 Oct 2006 09:16:50 -0700, "Wolfgang" wrote:

...death, taxes, and Wolfgang...

Here's what you should do; you should go away now and think long and
hard about who makes your decisions for you......and why.....and what
all of this implies. And then come back someday when you grow some
hair in your pants.

Uh-huh...just what I expected from ya, lil' pup - you ran right back
under the porch...but do come back if you finally gather up enough
nickels to buy yourself a set of neuticles and find out that it still
doesn't mean you've actually got balls - I'll be happy to slice 'em off
for you...and as an aside, I haven't the slightest desire for hairy
pants...

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz....

You're welcome. No charge......this time.

Wolfgang
who...
thinks

Liar.

he should be entitled to some sort of just compensation.

Idiot.

wrote:
On 22 Oct 2006 10:25:47 -0700, "Wolfgang" wrote:


wrote:
On 22 Oct 2006 09:16:50 -0700, "Wolfgang" wrote:

...death, taxes, and Wolfgang...

Here's what you should do; you should go away now and think long and
hard about who makes your decisions for you......and why.....and what
all of this implies. And then come back someday when you grow some
hair in your pants.

Uh-huh...just what I expected from ya, lil' pup - you ran right back
under the porch...but do come back if you finally gather up enough
nickels to buy yourself a set of neuticles and find out that it still
doesn't mean you've actually got balls - I'll be happy to slice 'em off
for you...

Hee, hee, hee.

and as an aside, I haven't the slightest desire for hairy
pants...

Oops! My mistake......I posted that sentence in English.

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz....

You're welcome. No charge......this time.

Wolfgang
who...
thinks

Liar.

he should be entitled to some sort of just compensation.

Idiot.

Is anyone else getting the feeling that this is starting to be just the
teensiest bit embarrassing?

Wolfgang
often imitated......

rb608 wrote:
wrote:
A quick google-ing returns scores of envionmetal studies concerning the
pollution effects from automotive chemicals... I may have had the PCP
source from brake fluid wrong, however.... memory, its a sometimes
thing...

Too much phenylcyclohexylpiperidine, aka PCP, probably does have an
adverse effect on memory; and as to how that may or may not have
affected you, I cannot say. However, given the persistance of the
thread's mistaken acronym, I feel compelled to suggest that what you
really mean is polychlorinated biphenyl, PCB.

Joe F.

touche.... blame it on the 70's...

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On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 13:25:48 -0500, "Wolfgang" wrote:

.the list goes on and on and on.

And since it's you, it's somewhat surprising that it wasn't at least
twice as long and inaccurate...

Well, this should be fun. Go ahead.....point out an inaccuracy.

...and "everyone" just "knows" how stolen cars are almost always found
with nothing missing but any loose valuables that the owner happened to
leave lying about...why, heck, "chop shops" became so named because of a
peculiar commonality: the folks involved in them seem to have a
voracious appetite for stuffed pork dishes...

O.k., I get it......the object here is to convince someone or other that
this means something.....right? Hows about you save the.......um......less
gifted.....readers among us the anguish of a long and futile search by
pointing out what you think it might be?

Wolfgang
just another carbon-based material.

Fred Lebow wrote:
I was on the Gallatin River and I saw something that I have never seen
before.
Crushed old vehicles used for river bank stabilization.
I guess if it works - great-??


One of biggest Gallatin River browns I ever caught
(down near Logan) came out the back seat of an old car.
The hard part was side-arm skip-casting a big
streamer back into the half submerged, busted-out window.

That old hulk fell into a deep hole years ago. Big brown trout do like
those fortress-like hiding places.

Lots'a old car bodies used as rip-rap. This was Lady Bird Johnson's
brain storm. Half the fun of fly-fishing in Montana is playing "Name
That Car" while trying to wade around the rusted hulks.