Here are a bunch of clear thinkers, that kinow what they're saying

wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
wrote:
... Comparatively, no
one really gives a **** about Iraq.

The friends and relatives of the 3,000 dead American servicemen
care, and the 21,000 horribly mangled and their friends and
relatives care.

I've no doubt they care a great deal, but that number of people, when
compared to the number of people who could potentially care, will appear
very small indeed. I didn't address the comparative few who did care,
only the comparatively very large number who didn't, don't, and never
will. For example: on many, if not most or all, of the
Spanish-language news broadcasts (even those that originate in the US),
Iraq continues to be way down the list of "major news."

Hard to believe you'd try to say that the #1 issue, by far,
in the upcoming election is something no one really gives
a **** about. Seems to me if Iraq is the #1 issue, by far,
most of the American electorate does indeed give a ****
about it.

And the red states have given much more than their fair share of
American cannon fodder to the rat-******* neocons who lied us
into this quagmire.

And yet another illustration of the several reasons that there is a good
chance the Dems are yet again going to snatch defeat from the jaws of
victory...wild accusations that reek of hypocrisy. The general
population may not _really_ care about Iraq as a major issue to them,
but they can sense when they are being so blatantly and hypocritically
BS'ed.

LOL !! STOP !! You're killin' me here ! The general population
of red state morons wouldn't know BS if they were hauling it
around in the back of their pick-em-up trucks with the gun
rack, and the confederate flag and the "My kid beat the ****
out of your honor student" bumper sticker. Good lord, 13.5
million people listen to Rush Limbaugh fer cryin' out loud
and you're telling me they can sense BS ? Get real.

No one really "lied 'us' into this quagmire," giving the word
"lied" the everyday meaning.

Yeah, they did, using any reasonable meaning of the word "lied"
you can come up with. Denial is not a river in Egypt, Richard.

The problem isn't that there has been a war, the problem is largely that
there hasn't been one.

We can agree on that point. Our energies and resources should
have been focused in Afghanistan.

--
Ken Fortenberry

On Mon, 30 Oct 2006 18:24:54 GMT, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
wrote:
... Comparatively, no
one really gives a **** about Iraq.

The friends and relatives of the 3,000 dead American servicemen
care, and the 21,000 horribly mangled and their friends and
relatives care.

I've no doubt they care a great deal, but that number of people, when
compared to the number of people who could potentially care, will appear
very small indeed. I didn't address the comparative few who did care,
only the comparatively very large number who didn't, don't, and never
will. For example: on many, if not most or all, of the
Spanish-language news broadcasts (even those that originate in the US),
Iraq continues to be way down the list of "major news."

Hard to believe you'd try to say that the #1 issue, by far,
in the upcoming election is something no one really gives
a **** about. Seems to me if Iraq is the #1 issue, by far,
most of the American electorate does indeed give a ****
about it.

If you really think Iraq will the number #1 issue to the majority of
folks when they're actually dimpling chads, you need about 5 more years
study toward that 4-year PoliSci degree. And if you think people are
completely honest and forthright with pollsters, you need 6 more
years...

And the red states have given much more than their fair share of
American cannon fodder to the rat-******* neocons who lied us
into this quagmire.

And yet another illustration of the several reasons that there is a good
chance the Dems are yet again going to snatch defeat from the jaws of
victory...wild accusations that reek of hypocrisy. The general
population may not _really_ care about Iraq as a major issue to them,
but they can sense when they are being so blatantly and hypocritically
BS'ed.

LOL !! STOP !! You're killin' me here ! The general population
of red state morons wouldn't know BS if they were hauling it
around in the back of their pick-em-up trucks with the gun
rack, and the confederate flag and the "My kid beat the ****
out of your honor student" bumper sticker.

Oh, well-said, Mr. Carville...might I suggest that you manage to get a
few select Dems to use that as the opening to their speeches...oh, sure,
I know they paraphrase it now, but if they'd just come right on out and
say it plain...you know, so all the morons can understand it...

Good lord, 13.5
million people listen to Rush Limbaugh fer cryin' out loud

And 75% of them are probably liberals looking for something to bitch
about...or "report" on...

and you're telling me they can sense BS ? Get real.

Hey, you take your left-wing loonies just as seriously, and you're
telling me that you know who can sense BS and who can't. Get informed.

No one really "lied 'us' into this quagmire," giving the word
"lied" the everyday meaning.

Yeah, they did, using any reasonable meaning of the word "lied"
you can come up with. Denial is not a river in Egypt, Richard.

No, they (meaning current GOP or Dem) didn't, because this "quagmire"
has taken hundreds of years to get this quag really good and mired.

The problem isn't that there has been a war, the problem is largely that
there hasn't been one.

We can agree on that point. Our energies and resources should
have been focused in Afghanistan.

Er, no.

HTH,
R

wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Hard to believe you'd try to say that the #1 issue, by far,
in the upcoming election is something no one really gives
a **** about. Seems to me if Iraq is the #1 issue, by far,
most of the American electorate does indeed give a ****
about it.

If you really think Iraq will the number #1 issue to the majority of
folks when they're actually dimpling chads, you need about 5 more years
study toward that 4-year PoliSci degree. And if you think people are
completely honest and forthright with pollsters, you need 6 more
years...

The war may not be issue #1 with the "trust fund baby" crowd
you hang with but out in the heartland where the military is
seen as a bootstrap many, if not most, people know a relative
or a friend or a friend of a friend who never came back from
Iraq or came back in pieces. And I don't need a pollster to
tell me that.

Good lord, 13.5
million people listen to Rush Limbaugh fer cryin' out loud

And 75% of them are probably liberals looking for something to bitch
about...or "report" on...

Riiiiiiiiight.

Yeah, they did, using any reasonable meaning of the word "lied"
you can come up with. Denial is not a river in Egypt, Richard.

No, they (meaning current GOP or Dem) didn't, because this "quagmire"
has taken hundreds of years to get this quag really good and mired.

How many Americans were killed in Iraq prior to 2003 ? How many
since ? And how many more to come ? You just don't make sense,
Richard.

Our energies and resources should
have been focused in Afghanistan.

Er, no.

Duh, yes.

--
Ken Fortenberry

On Mon, 30 Oct 2006 21:00:50 GMT, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Hard to believe you'd try to say that the #1 issue, by far,
in the upcoming election is something no one really gives
a **** about. Seems to me if Iraq is the #1 issue, by far,
most of the American electorate does indeed give a ****
about it.

If you really think Iraq will the number #1 issue to the majority of
folks when they're actually dimpling chads, you need about 5 more years
study toward that 4-year PoliSci degree. And if you think people are
completely honest and forthright with pollsters, you need 6 more
years...

The war may not be issue #1 with the "trust fund baby" crowd
you hang with but out in the heartland where the military is
seen as a bootstrap

You mean in the land of red-state morons?

many, if not most, people know a relative
or a friend or a friend of a friend who never came back from
Iraq or came back in pieces.

Or know someone who heard of someone who knew someone who saw a name of
someone killed on TV...no, "most" don't have much direct contact with
such. And I suspect that I knew more people killed, or know more people
who had friends and family killed or injured, than "most" friends of
your friends...and that goes back to Gulf War 1.

And I don't need a pollster to tell me that.

Right...just NPR, Hillary, and Ol' Screamin' Howie...


Good lord, 13.5
million people listen to Rush Limbaugh fer cryin' out loud

And 75% of them are probably liberals looking for something to bitch
about...or "report" on...

Riiiiiiiiight.

Oh, Lord, the 75% wasn't meant as a serious number...but now that I
think about it....OK, so it's probably closer to 71%...seriously, I have
no idea how many listen to him or why, but it's apparently more than
listen to all of Air America...but that'd be, what, 19 people, so ???

Yeah, they did, using any reasonable meaning of the word "lied"
you can come up with. Denial is not a river in Egypt, Richard.

No, they (meaning current GOP or Dem) didn't, because this "quagmire"
has taken hundreds of years to get this quag really good and mired.

How many Americans were killed in Iraq prior to 2003 ? How many
since ? And how many more to come ? You just don't make sense,
Richard.

Our energies and resources should
have been focused in Afghanistan.

Er, no.

Duh, yes.

Er, no.

HTH,
R

wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Hard to believe you'd try to say that the #1 issue, by far,
in the upcoming election is something no one really gives
a **** about. Seems to me if Iraq is the #1 issue, by far,
most of the American electorate does indeed give a ****
about it.
If you really think Iraq will the number #1 issue to the majority of
folks when they're actually dimpling chads, you need about 5 more years
study toward that 4-year PoliSci degree. And if you think people are
completely honest and forthright with pollsters, you need 6 more
years...
The war may not be issue #1 with the "trust fund baby" crowd
you hang with but out in the heartland where the military is
seen as a bootstrap

You mean in the land of red-state morons?

Yep, exactly. Poignant picture on the front page of today's
Times and an article on the non-stop, booming military funeral
business at Arlington National. People care, they may be morons
but they care about their dead soldiers. And even red-state
morons can figure out that $4 billion a week is a lot of money
to pay for our soldiers to have a dangerous ringside seat to
an Islamic civil war.

And I suspect that I knew more people killed, or know more people
who had friends and family killed or injured, than "most" friends of
your friends...and that goes back to Gulf War 1.

Hang out with the National Guard down to the local watering
hole quite often do you ? LOL !! You're so full of **** you're
almost endearing.

--
Ken Fortenberry

On Mon, 30 Oct 2006 21:33:19 GMT, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Hard to believe you'd try to say that the #1 issue, by far,
in the upcoming election is something no one really gives
a **** about. Seems to me if Iraq is the #1 issue, by far,
most of the American electorate does indeed give a ****
about it.
If you really think Iraq will the number #1 issue to the majority of
folks when they're actually dimpling chads, you need about 5 more years
study toward that 4-year PoliSci degree. And if you think people are
completely honest and forthright with pollsters, you need 6 more
years...
The war may not be issue #1 with the "trust fund baby" crowd
you hang with but out in the heartland where the military is
seen as a bootstrap

You mean in the land of red-state morons?

Yep, exactly. Poignant picture on the front page of today's
Times and an article on the non-stop, booming military funeral
business at Arlington National. People care, they may be morons
but they care about their dead soldiers. And even red-state
morons can figure out that $4 billion a week is a lot of money
to pay for our soldiers to have a dangerous ringside seat to
an Islamic civil war.

And I suspect that I knew more people killed, or know more people
who had friends and family killed or injured, than "most" friends of
your friends...and that goes back to Gulf War 1.

Hang out with the National Guard down to the local watering
hole quite often do you ?

FWIW, my losing friends in Gulf Wars I & II began in Gulf War I with
David Herr, a friend since high school, and since I'm certain it hasn't
ended, I can't speak to that.

LOL !! You're so full of **** you're almost endearing.

And you don't even begin to have slightest idea of what you speak.

Don't really care if this helps or not,
R

wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
LOL !! You're so full of **** you're almost endearing.

And you don't even begin to have slightest idea of what you speak.

Oh, yes I do. You're not really gonna try to claim you're
not full of ****, are you ? Too late for that, Richard.
There's Google, ya know.

Don't really care if this helps or not,

Nah, not so much. But perhaps you can help if you're so
inclined. I have some crab cakes I'm about to serve over
a bed of mixed greens. I was going to make a remoulade but
discovered too late that I have no creole mustard. Can't
make a remoulade without creole mustard. So then I'm thinking
maybe Caesar dressing, I have anchovies, parmesan, eggs etc.
but I'm using mixed greens from Saturday's Farmer's Market
while they're still good and Caesar is really better with
romaine not mixed greens. So, if you had crab cakes you wanted
to serve over mixed greens and remoulade was a no go, what
would you do ?

--
Ken Fortenberry

Ken Fortenberry wrote:
...Hang out with the National Guard down to the local watering
hole quite often do you ?

Actually, it was at the southern Mississippi school of law and auto
salvage.

LOL !! You're so full of **** you're
almost endearing.

Something else for you to aspire to.

Wolfgang
ain't politics fun?

wrote in message
We can agree on that point. Our energies and resources should
have been focused in Afghanistan.

Er, no.

HTH,
R

geez, RDean, I was in agreement for about 5 straight posts by you(the stuff
on the underwhelming 'caring' out there), then you came up with this. Where
do you think our resources should have been focused?
Tom