Tuna salad anyone? Death of a Tuna and Deathof a Whale

From: "pearl"

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Total bullsh!t. Denying the fact that hominids are omnivorous.

It was the extraction of bone marrow that helped early hominids evolve.

I don't care if anyone is vegetarian or vegan. It do care when extremists want everyone to
follow their POV. This is the same as religious extremism.

--
Dave
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"David H. Lipman" wrote in message news:T096h.4761$5P2.4751@trnddc02...
From: "pearl"

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Total bullsh!t. Denying the fact that hominids are omnivorous.

No. Demonstrating beyond any reasonable doubt, that humans
are not naturally carnivorous omnivores, omnivorous as you are.

It was the extraction of bone marrow that helped early hominids evolve.

Going by that 'logic', carnivores should be way smarter than us.

You are wrong. I suggest you try to get over it pretty smartish.

I don't care if anyone is vegetarian or vegan. It do care when extremists want everyone to
follow their POV. This is the same as religious extremism.

You are in denial. That is the hallmark indication of addiction. !

--
Dave
http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html
http://www.ik-cs.com/got-a-virus.htm

David H. Lipman wrote:
From: "pearl"

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Total bullsh!t. Denying the fact that hominids are omnivorous.

It was the extraction of bone marrow that helped early hominids evolve.

I don't care if anyone is vegetarian or vegan. It do care when
extremists want everyone to
follow their POV. This is the same as religious extremism.



You can't reason with a vegetarian, they have lost the protein in their
diet, that allows their brains to function properly.
Prime example, they complain about people killing animals, yet they can
no longer, see animals killing animals, animals even torturing other
animals, just watch a house cat play with a mouse, or killer whales
tossing "injured" baby seals in the air for hours, before finally eating
them. Animals kill more animals, than humans do. It's the way nature
works, and we humans are part of nature.

I hunt, and I fish, I can't stand to see a creature suffer needlessly, I
dispatch them as quickly as possible. That deer I kill, I saved another
2 deer from starving to death, slowly, during the winter, we must control
their numbers, or starvation , and disease will make them suffer
horribly. There is documented evidence of this, when Pennsylvania
banned deer hunting for ten years, they lost tens of thousands of deer
to starvation and disease each year, tell me these deer did not suffer,
needlessly !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Your vegetarians can not see these facts any longer, they loose that
part or reasoning in their brains,, nothing we meat eaters can do to
change their thinking, until they have a couple of hamburgers. They
suffer from a chemical imbalance of the brain, and you can't fix it with
the antidepressants most of them take. It takes Meat, to solve that
problem. How do I know that,, well my daughter went though that phase a
few years back, she decided to stop eating meat, within 6 months she was
condemning me for eating meat, and hunting, and fishing. One day my wife
started slipping a bit of bacon fat into her veggies, a week later, she
started finely grinding a little meat into them, in a month she was
normal again, and started hunting, and fishing again, and eating meat
daily. She now is a normal wife, and mother, with her own son, and feeds
him meat. There is hope for these veg'es, They can be turned back to
the force, from the dark side, all someone has to do is slip a little
hidden meat into their diet, then those neurons that have not been fed,
start working again, next thing you know, they will be out with a
shotgun, duck hunting :-)


--
Rodney Long,
Inventor of the Mojo SpecTastic "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread,
Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, and the EZKnot
http://www.ezknot.com

On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 08:07:52 -0600, Rodney Long
wrote:

David H. Lipman wrote:
From: "pearl"

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Total bullsh!t. Denying the fact that hominids are omnivorous.

It was the extraction of bone marrow that helped early hominids evolve.

I don't care if anyone is vegetarian or vegan. It do care when
extremists want everyone to
follow their POV. This is the same as religious extremism.



You can't reason with a vegetarian, they have lost the protein in their
diet, that allows their brains to function properly.

What's your excuse then?

"Rodney Long" wrote in message ...
David H. Lipman wrote:
From: "pearl"

snip

Total bullsh!t. Denying the fact that hominids are omnivorous.

It was the extraction of bone marrow that helped early hominids evolve.

I don't care if anyone is vegetarian or vegan. It do care when
extremists want everyone to
follow their POV. This is the same as religious extremism.



You can't reason with a vegetarian, they have lost the protein in their
diet, that allows their brains to function properly.

Learning-resistant, I see. I won't repeat what I've already posted.

Prime example, they complain about people killing animals, yet they can
no longer, see animals killing animals, animals even torturing other
animals, just watch a house cat play with a mouse, or killer whales
tossing "injured" baby seals in the air for hours, before finally eating
them. Animals kill more animals, than humans do. It's the way nature
works,

Funny, I just wrote this on another thread:

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"Geoff" wrote in message ...

OK we appreciate mans inhumanity to man has nothing to do with God.
What about the cruelty of nature. Animals, wildlife eating each other
alive etc?

Any explanations in the Bible?

How can we accept that nature is just a nothing in itself?


Why is nature so cruel?

Keen to hear your views. TIA.

I'll take a stab at it.

According to Genesis, all creatures were created vegetarian,
and in Isaiah we read that the lion will lay next to the lamb,
etc.

Is the caterpiller anaesthetized? That is certainly possible.
Does an animal that is terrified (or in shock?) in the face
of imminent death, feel the extent or actual pain of usually
very swift and effective deadly attacks by true predators?

What would you do as Creator, if you have a planet with
diverse species that benefited from predation - for the prey,
the predators, and ecosystem as a whole -- that, or a planet
where everything becomes overrun? Can it work differently?

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and we humans are part of nature.

We humans are not predators.

I hunt, and I fish, I can't stand to see a creature suffer needlessly,

As you don't NEED to eat meat - your *every* act of violence
against an animal *IS* needless, unless a life-or-death situation.

2 deer from starving to death, slowly, during the winter, we must control
their numbers, or starvation , and disease will make them suffer
horribly. There is documented evidence of this, when Pennsylvania
banned deer hunting for ten years, they lost tens of thousands of deer
to starvation and disease each year, tell me these deer did not suffer,
needlessly !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WHAT happened to their natural predators, hmmm? Killed to
protect your 'livestock' no doubt. .. then use deer's burgeoning
population to justify killing them! ..You know not what you do..

On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 14:33:51 -0000, "pearl"
wrote:

"Rodney Long" wrote in message ...
David H. Lipman wrote:
From: "pearl"

snip

Total bullsh!t. Denying the fact that hominids are omnivorous.

It was the extraction of bone marrow that helped early hominids evolve.

I don't care if anyone is vegetarian or vegan. It do care when
extremists want everyone to
follow their POV. This is the same as religious extremism.



You can't reason with a vegetarian, they have lost the protein in their
diet, that allows their brains to function properly.

Learning-resistant, I see. I won't repeat what I've already posted.

Prime example, they complain about people killing animals, yet they can
no longer, see animals killing animals, animals even torturing other
animals, just watch a house cat play with a mouse, or killer whales
tossing "injured" baby seals in the air for hours, before finally eating
them. Animals kill more animals, than humans do. It's the way nature
works,

Funny, I just wrote this on another thread:

LOL.


"Geoff" wrote in message ...

OK we appreciate mans inhumanity to man has nothing to do with God.
What about the cruelty of nature. Animals, wildlife eating each other
alive etc?

Any explanations in the Bible?

How can we accept that nature is just a nothing in itself?


Why is nature so cruel?

Keen to hear your views. TIA.

I'll take a stab at it.

According to Genesis, all creatures were created vegetarian,
and in Isaiah we read that the lion will lay next to the lamb,
etc.

Is the caterpiller anaesthetized? That is certainly possible.
Does an animal that is terrified (or in shock?) in the face
of imminent death, feel the extent or actual pain of usually
very swift and effective deadly attacks by true predators?

What would you do as Creator, if you have a planet with
diverse species that benefited from predation - for the prey,
the predators, and ecosystem as a whole -- that, or a planet
where everything becomes overrun? Can it work differently?

----

and we humans are part of nature.

We humans are not predators.

I hunt, and I fish, I can't stand to see a creature suffer needlessly,

As you don't NEED to eat meat - your *every* act of violence
against an animal *IS* needless, unless a life-or-death situation.

2 deer from starving to death, slowly, during the winter, we must control
their numbers, or starvation , and disease will make them suffer
horribly. There is documented evidence of this, when Pennsylvania
banned deer hunting for ten years, they lost tens of thousands of deer
to starvation and disease each year, tell me these deer did not suffer,
needlessly !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WHAT happened to their natural predators, hmmm? Killed to
protect your 'livestock' no doubt. .. then use deer's burgeoning
population to justify killing them! ..You know not what you do..

Geoff wrote:


and we humans are part of nature.
We humans are not predators.

I see your brain is not functioning

"Humans" have always been predators, every evidence of modern man has
shown them to be predators "ALL" OF RECORDED HISTORY SHOWS HIM TO BE
ONE, AT THE LEAST, THAT IS 10,000 YEARS OF MAN'S PREDATION. YOU HAVE TO
BE BRAIN DEAD, NOT TO ACCEPT THAT.

You "personally" may not be a predator, not until your starving to
death, then you will become one.

You or anyone else "claiming" man is not a predator, with all the
evidence to "PROVE" he has always been one, since he has become "man".
Shows that your brain does not function in reality. Your Veg'ee cult is
less than 50 years old . except for some weird "religious" nuts that
believe in reincarnation, they are afraid they will eat their grand dad
if they eat meat, or they will come back as a cat if they ever eat meat,
and be stuck on Earth forever as a meat eater, those nuts have been
around for a long time

Will you accept that "some" humans are predators ?

How about 90 + % of the world's population eat meat ? well at least
when they get the chance, they will, and do.

I hunt, and I fish, I can't stand to see a creature suffer needlessly,
As you don't NEED to eat meat

You don't "need" to use electricity, or oil, cars, a house, roads,
shopping centers, airports, and cities, these very things have destroyed
more wild animals, than hunting animals. the loss of their habitat (your
grocery stores and farms that raise your veggies) have killed, and keep
killing more animals than me, and others trying to now control their
populations due to "YOUR" life style !!!!!!!!!!!!!!


- your *every* act of violence
against an animal *IS* needless, unless a life-or-death situation.

You driving to work on a road is needless.

2 deer from starving to death, slowly, during the winter, we must control
their numbers, or starvation , and disease will make them suffer
horribly. There is documented evidence of this, when Pennsylvania
banned deer hunting for ten years, they lost tens of thousands of deer
to starvation and disease each year, tell me these deer did not suffer,
needlessly !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


WHAT happened to their natural predators, hmmm?
Killed to
protect your 'livestock' no doubt.

Some of the natural deer predators were indeed killed out, but one
"natural" predator remains,,, "man"


... then use deer's burgeoning
population to justify killing them! ..You know not what you do..

In my state, we now have more deer, than was here in 1490.

Please give us another solution, you will be the first,, oh wait, you
want to bring back the wolves, and the cougars, and what will you say
when your grand child gets killed by one, that the cougar had the right
to kill your grand child ?

Ever watch a wolf kill a deer, it sure is not fast, they first cripple
the deer, by bitting though the tendons of the legs, then they start
feeding from the stomach cavity while the deer is still alive, same for
coyotes on a deer kill . My bullet is instant.

You can't grasp these "facts"

Your brain does not function correctly, due to the lack of animal
protein in your diet.


--
Rodney Long,
Inventor of the Mojo SpecTastic "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread,
Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, and the EZKnot
http://www.ezknot.com

"Rodney Long" wrote in message ...
Geoff wrote:


and we humans are part of nature.
We humans are not predators.

I see your brain is not functioning

We see from your er BS rant that you have totally lost it. Tsk tsk.

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How about 90 + % of the world's population eat meat ? well at least
when they get the chance, they will, and do.

'According to the National Academy of Sciences (NAS) "Most of
the world's population today subsists on vegetarian or near-vegetarian
diets for reasons that are economic, philosophical, religious, cultural,
or ecological."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vegetarianism

Try actually doing a bit of research before you hit 'Send', Rodney?
when pigs fly

pearl wrote:


'According to the National Academy of Sciences (NAS) "Most of
the world's population today subsists on vegetarian or near-vegetarian


"""""near-vegetarian""""""" means they have nothing against the eating
of meat, it means they can't "afford" meat !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It means
they will eat it, when they can afford it it, and many of these people
are starving to death on a daily bases .

What is "most" what is the percentage, and why was "near vegetarians"
in that group ?,, because you, and the Hindu's are it, for total
vegetarians, the numbers are TOO LOW FOR YOU to spout your Bull **** !
about man not being a predator. At least the Hindu's don't eat meat for
a good reason to them,, they don't want to eat Grand Dad :-)


diets for reasons that are economic, philosophical, religious, cultural,
or ecological."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vegetarianism

I see the number one reason is "economic", just like I already knew.
what percentage is because of that ?

Try actually doing a bit of research before you hit 'Send', Rodney?
when pigs fly

Actually it's not worth my time, I have many years actually spent in
nature, all of this research today is funded by left wing tree huggers
to left wing tree huggers, who try to "prove" their beliefs, not those
who look for truth. They twist the numbers,, like adding starving
people, who would "kill" for a piece of meat, under the heading of

"vegetarian" so they can claim "most" people, so people like you can
imply they are that way because of choice, or in your case, genetics,
when in fact these people are starving to death, at the least 80% or
more of their income goes just to buy food.

Us "meat eaters" and our scientist don't "waste" funds, or time, looking
to prove this one way or another. We don't give a rat's butt, if a group
of people don't want, to want meat, what we care about is that bunch
trying to legislate, or brain wash our kids with their TRIPE. Why do you
care 90% of the world eats meat when they get a chance ? It's none of
your business what I do, unless it "hurts" your "rights", animals have
no rights, it's the strongest, and smartest that survive , it's the way
this world rotates, it has for millions of years, man is just a late
comer , we can not "change" all of nature. What makes man a murder to
"some" when he kills animals, yet the other predators are not considered
murders for doing the same thing ?

What it is, is some people can/could no longer survive in nature , SO
they don't want to feel inferior, to those who can, so they "invent"
reasons for their lack of ability, now a desired trait that brought
their ancestors to this place in time, is considered WRONG, this makes
them feel like they are not missing anything, they now think they are
not inferior, but superior, they seek out others like themselves to
build up this lie . Then to take this lie further, they go out and try
to change history to what they believe. Trying to built themselves up in
their own mind. They start forming radical groups like PETA (a
terrorists organization) They start trying to make animals have more
rights than man, that a man's life is not worth more than any animals
right, that it's OK to let a child die, if killing an animal can save
the child, the animal has more, or equal rights. That' it's better to
have ten's of thousands of humans die needlessly, than kill ten animals
to find a cure. These people claim to be compassionate, yet they will
instantly let "people" suffer, and die . They only have compassion for
animals, not even their own children. much less for human kind. These
people are mentally ill, and should be institutionalized, force feeding
them only meat, for a couple of months, will cure them.

The lack of animal protein in these people's diets have warped their
minds. They have lost their ability to survive, if we, as the human
race, follow them, we will all be gone in a thousand years. Which is
what PETA wants, they want animals, to take the Earth back.







--
Rodney Long,
Inventor of the Mojo SpecTastic "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread,
Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, and the EZKnot
http://www.ezknot.com

pearl wrote:

Is the caterpiller anaesthetized? That is certainly possible.
Does an animal that is terrified (or in shock?) in the face
of imminent death, feel the extent or actual pain of usually
very swift and effective deadly attacks by true predators?

I see you have spent little time actually in nature,, the attacks of
true predators rarely leads to a swift death for those being prayed on.

I have heard a rabbit scream for 10 min. while a coyote ran off with it
kicking in his mouth, to take it "alive and hurt" to it's pups to teach
them how to kill.

Some of the big cats can kill quickly, when attacking smaller game. I
recently watched a pride of lions kill a water buffalo on the nature
channel, it took 45 min , some of the pride started feeding before the
animal had even died.

You live in a delusional world,, you need a burger
--
Rodney Long,
Inventor of the Mojo SpecTastic "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread,
Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, and the EZKnot
http://www.ezknot.com