Tuna salad anyone? Death of a Tuna and Deathof a Whale

pearl wrote:


TELL ME, WOULD YOU LET YOUR CHILD DIE, IF AN ANIMAL'S DEATH COULD SAVE
IT ??????????????????????????????????????

Not in that position. Are you?
Sorry I missed that at the bottom



Tell us.. Will you let people
continue to die, if quitting your meat habit could save them?

Hay, what I eat has nothing to do with anyone but me, I'm not letting
anyone do anything, and I'm not keeping them from doing anything, am I
going them to force them to stop eating meat,,,, hell no , that's up to
them, but all they need to do is change their meat consumption from beef
and pork to chicken , fish, and goat. all of which is "good" for ANYONE


Do you agree to let them test drugs on animals, and kill the animals,
so your child can live ?

Would you feed your child meat, if their was not other food available ?

--
Rodney Long,
Inventor of the Mojo SpecTastic "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread,
Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, and the EZKnot
http://www.ezknot.com

"Rodney Long" wrote in message ...
pearl wrote:


TELL ME, WOULD YOU LET YOUR CHILD DIE, IF AN ANIMAL'S DEATH COULD SAVE
IT ??????????????????????????????????????

Not in that position. Are you?
Sorry I missed that at the bottom



Tell us.. Will you let people
continue to die, if quitting your meat habit could save them?

Hay, what I eat has nothing to do with anyone but me,

Aren't you forgetting about the animals? Don't they count?

I'm not letting
anyone do anything, and I'm not keeping them from doing anything, am I
going them to force them to stop eating meat,,,, hell no , that's up to
them, but all they need to do is change their meat consumption from beef
and pork to chicken , fish, and goat. all of which is "good" for ANYONE

You appear to be very keen on promoting it, ignoring studies.

Do you agree to let them test drugs on animals, and kill the animals,
so your child can live ?

Absolutely not.

"I cannot name one single case in which experiments on
animals may have led to a useful result."
Dr med. Philippe Grin, G.P., Video Interview with CIVIS,
July 1 1986.

"I am of the opinion that all experiments on animals should
be abolished because they only lead us to error."
Dr Marie-Louise Griboval, April 1987. Hans Ruesch, One
Thousand Doctors (and many more) Against Vivisection.

"As a physician, I am definitely opposed to animal experiments.
They are totally useless, they don't contribute in any way to
progress of medicine."
Dr med. Jurg Kym, Physicians Have the Word, ATRA,
December 1986. Hans Ruesch, One Thousand Doctors (and
many more) Against Vivisection.

"My own conviction is that the study of human physiology
by way of experiments on animals is the most grotesque and
fantastic error ever committed in the whole range of human
intellectual activity."
Dr G. F. Walker, Medical World, December 1933.

http://www.health.org.nz/foreartl.html
http://www.health.org.nz/contents.html

Adverse reactions to pharmaceutical drugs are -at least-
the fourth leading cause of death in the West. Surprise?

Good work.

'Deaths per year (US) 6
-------------------------------------------------------
heart disease 709,894
cancer 551,833
stroke 166,028
diabetes 68,662
high blood pressure 17,964
------------------------------------------------------
...
Number of Americans Living with Diet- and
Inactivity-Related Diseases
-------------------------------------------------------
Seriously Overweight/Obese9 113,360,000
High Blood Pressure9 50,000,000
Diabetes10 15,700,000
Coronary Heart Disease9 12,600,000
Osteoporosis7 10,000,000
Cancer11 8,900,000
Stroke9 4,600,000
-------------------------------------------------------
...'
http://www.cspinet.org/nutritionpoli...on_policy.html

"Isn't man an amazing animal? He kills wildlife - birds,
kangaroos, deer, all kinds of cats, coyotes, beavers,
groundhogs, mice, foxes, and dingoes - by the millions in
order to protect his domestic animals and their feed. Then
he kills domestic animals by the billions and eats them.
This in turn kills man by the millions, because eating all
those animals leads to degenerative and fatal health
conditions like heart disease, kidney disease, and cancer.
So then man tortures and kills millions more animals to
look for cures for these diseases. .."...
C. David Coats (from the preface of his book: Old
MacDonald's Factory Farm)
.... - which in turn injure and kill man by the million.

Would you feed your child meat, if their was not other food available ?

Put another way.. If eating animal flesh was necessary for
good health or survival we'd not be having this discussion.

"pearl" wrote in message ...
"Rodney Long" wrote in message ...
..
I'm not letting
anyone do anything, and I'm not keeping them from doing anything, am I
going them to force them to stop eating meat,,,, hell no , that's up to
them, but all they need to do is change their meat consumption from beef
and pork to chicken , fish, and goat. all of which is "good" for ANYONE

'There is a relationship between animal protein and heart disease.
For example, plasma apolioprotein B is positively associated with
animal-protein intake and inversely associated (lowered) with
vegetable-protein intake (e.g., legumes and greens). Apolioprotein B
levels correlate strongly with coronary heart disease.1 Unknown to
many is that animal proteins have a significant effect on raising
cholesterol levels as well, while plant protein lowers it.2

Scientific studies provide evidence that many animal protein's effect
on blood cholesterol may be significant. This is one of the reasons
those switching to a low fat-diet do no experience the cholesterol
lowering they expect unless they also remove the low-fat animal
products as well. Surprising to most people is that yes, even low-fat
dairy and skinless white-meat chicken raise cholesterol. I see this
regularly in my practice. Many individuals do not see the dramatic
drop in cholesterol levels unless they go all the way by cutting all
animal proteins from their diet.
...
Red met is not the only problem. The consumption of chicken and
fish is also linked to colon cancer. A large recent study examined the
eating habits of 32,000 adults for six years and then watched the
incidence of cancer for these subjects over the next six years. Those
who avoided red meat but at white meat regularly had a more than
300 percent increase in colon cancer incidence.3 The same study
showed that eating beans, peas, or lentils, at least twice a week was
associated with a 50 percent lower risk than never eating these foods.

Chicken has about the same amount of cholesterol as beef, and the
production of those potent cancer-causing compounds called
heterocyclic amines (HCAs) are even more concentrated in grilled
chicken than in beef.4 Another recent study from New Zealand
that investigated heterocyclic amines in meat, fish, and chicken
found the greatest contributor of HCAs to cancer risk was chicken.5
Likewise, studies indicated that chicken is almost as dangerous as
red meat for the heart. Regarding cholesterol, there is no advantage
to eating lean white instead of lean red meat.6
....'
http://www.diseaseproof.com/archives...onnection.html

pearl wrote:
"Rodney Long" wrote in message ...
pearl wrote:

TELL ME, WOULD YOU LET YOUR CHILD DIE, IF AN ANIMAL'S DEATH COULD SAVE
IT ??????????????????????????????????????
Not in that position. Are you?
Sorry I missed that at the bottom



Tell us.. Will you let people
continue to die, if quitting your meat habit could save them?
Hay, what I eat has nothing to do with anyone but me,

Aren't you forgetting about the animals? Don't they count?

NO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm not letting
anyone do anything, and I'm not keeping them from doing anything, am I
going them to force them to stop eating meat,,,, hell no , that's up to
them, but all they need to do is change their meat consumption from beef
and pork to chicken , fish, and goat. all of which is "good" for ANYONE

You appear to be very keen on promoting it, ignoring studies.
Far From it, I'm ignoring studies that have the answer, before they
asked the questions

Do you agree to let them test drugs on animals, and kill the animals,
so your child can live ?

Absolutely not.

BINGO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I got ya, You have been brain washed, you claim compassion, yet you
would let your own child die, so a "rat" could live, you have no
compassion, you have no love, you have no "humanity"
I'm sorry, but your pond scum

"I cannot name one single case in which experiments on
animals may have led to a useful result."
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Man you have been throughly brain washed
Dr med. Philippe Grin, G.P., Video Interview with CIVIS,
July 1 1986.

"I am of the opinion that all experiments on animals should
be abolished because they only lead us to error."
Dr Marie-Louise Griboval, April 1987. Hans Ruesch, One
Thousand Doctors (and many more) Against Vivisection.

"As a physician, I am definitely opposed to animal experiments.
They are totally useless, they don't contribute in any way to
progress of medicine."
Dr med. Jurg Kym, Physicians Have the Word, ATRA,
December 1986. Hans Ruesch, One Thousand Doctors (and
many more) Against Vivisection.

"My own conviction is that the study of human physiology
by way of experiments on animals is the most grotesque and
fantastic error ever committed in the whole range of human
intellectual activity."
Dr G. F. Walker, Medical World, December 1933.

http://www.health.org.nz/foreartl.html
http://www.health.org.nz/contents.html

Adverse reactions to pharmaceutical drugs are -at least-
the fourth leading cause of death in the West. Surprise?

Here are your brain washers,, from 10's of thousands of "real" doctors,
you have a select few that have been laughed out of the profession

Good by,, Looser


--
Rodney Long,
Inventor of the Mojo SpecTastic "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread,
Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, and the EZKnot
http://www.ezknot.com

"Rodney Long" wrote in message ...
pearl wrote:
"Rodney Long" wrote in message ...
pearl wrote:

TELL ME, WOULD YOU LET YOUR CHILD DIE, IF AN ANIMAL'S DEATH COULD SAVE
IT ??????????????????????????????????????
Not in that position. Are you?
Sorry I missed that at the bottom



Tell us.. Will you let people
continue to die, if quitting your meat habit could save them?
Hay, what I eat has nothing to do with anyone but me,

Aren't you forgetting about the animals? Don't they count?

NO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

'Taking Animals Seriously
Mental Life and Moral Status
by David DeGrazia
review

Most people who approach Taking Animals Seriously will share an
unspoken presupposition. This is that animal activists take animals too
seriously. They lack a sense of proportion. It's not that gratuitous cruelty
to members of other species is morally defensible. Surely it isn't. If
pressed, then all but the amoral, sociopathic or philosophically bewitched
are likely to grant that wanton animal-abuse is best discouraged. Instead,
the pervasive assumption is simply that animal suffering doesn't really
matter much compared to the things that happen to human beings - to us.
They, after all, are only animals: objects rather than our fellow subjects.
Animal consciousness, insofar as it exists at all, is minimal and
uninteresting.

Contrast one's likely reaction on learning that the infant or toddler next
door is being abused. Let's suppose that the abuse is being inflicted for
fun or profit - or, more broadly, for purposes that can be described only
as frivolous. In such a case, then one's intuitions are equally clear. The
suffering of the victim has to be taken very seriously. One has a duty
actively to prevent it. The interests of the child take precedence over the
wishes of the abuser. In extreme cases, the adults involved in persistent
abuse may need to be legally restrained or even locked up. Indeed, it is
cases of failure on our part to take action to prevent it - or failure to take
action by the social services or child-protection agencies - that demand
justification. To treat the suffering caused by child-abuse lightly would be
to show a sense of disproportion when confronted with the nature of the
practices involved - and our capacity to do something about them.

Yet here lies the crux.

After Darwin, a huge and accumulating convergence of physiological,
behavioural, genetic and evolutionary evidence suggests - but cannot
prove - an appalling possibility. This is that hundreds of millions of the
non-human victims of our actions are functionally akin - intellectually,
emotionally and in their capacity to suffer - to very young humans. In
the light of what we're doing to our victims, the consequences of their
also being ethically akin to human babies or toddlers would be awful;
in fact, almost too ghastly to think about.

When we're confronted with such an emotive parallel, all sorts of
psychological denial and defence-mechanisms are likely to kick in.
Undoubtedly, too, animal-exploitation makes our lives so much
more convenient. Not surprisingly, in view of what we're doing to
them, there is a powerful incentive for us as humans to rationalise
our actions.

Numerous pretexts and rationalisations aimed at legitimating animal
exploitation are certainly available; most of them seek to magnify the
gulf between "us" and "them". Intellectually, however, they prove on
examination to be surprisingly thin.
....
http://www.hedweb.com/animals/degrazia.htm

I'm not letting
anyone do anything, and I'm not keeping them from doing anything, am I
going them to force them to stop eating meat,,,, hell no , that's up to
them, but all they need to do is change their meat consumption from beef
and pork to chicken , fish, and goat. all of which is "good" for ANYONE

You appear to be very keen on promoting it, ignoring studies.

Far From it, I'm ignoring studies that have the answer, before they
asked the questions

You're ignoring valid research.

Do you agree to let them test drugs on animals, and kill the animals,
so your child can live ?

Absolutely not.

BINGO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I got ya, You have been brain washed, you claim compassion, yet you
would let your own child die, so a "rat" could live, you have no
compassion, you have no love, you have no "humanity"
I'm sorry, but your pond scum

You're projecting, and wrong. Testing on animals can't help.

"I cannot name one single case in which experiments on
animals may have led to a useful result."

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Man you have been throughly brain washed

No, you have.

'BMJ 2004;328:514-517 (28 February), doi:10.1136/bmj.328.7438.514

Where is the evidence that animal research benefits humans?
Pandora Pound, research fellow1, Shah Ebrahim, professor1,
Peter Sandercock, professor2, Michael B Bracken, professor3,
Ian Roberts, professor4 Reviewing Animal Trials Systematically
(RATS) Group 1 Department of Social Medicine, University of
Bristol, Bristol BS8 2PR, 2 Department of Clinical Neurosciences,
University of Edinburgh, Western General Hospital, Edinburgh ..,
3 Center for Perinatal, Pediatric, and Environmental Epidemiology,
Yale University School of Medicine, New Haven, CT 06520
USA, 4 London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine,
London WC1B 3DP
...
Clinicians and the public often consider it axiomatic that animal
research has contributed to the treatment of human disease, yet
little evidence is available to support this view. Few methods
exist for evaluating the clinical relevance or importance of basic
animal research, and so its clinical (as distinct from scientific)
contribution remains uncertain.1 Anecdotal evidence or
unsupported claims are often used as justification-for example,
statements that the need for animal research is "self evident"2
or that "Animal experimentation is a valuable research method
which has proved itself over time."3 Such statements are an
inadequate form of evidence for such a controversial area of
research. We argue that systematic reviews of existing and
future research are needed.

Assessing animal research

Despite the lack of systematic evidence for its effectiveness,
basic animal research in the United Kingdom receives much
more funding than clinical research.1 4 5 Given this, and
because the public accepts animal research only on the
assumption that it benefits humans,6 the clinical relevance of
animal experiments needs urgent clarification.
..............'
http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/cgi/conte...l/328/7438/514

Dr med. Philippe Grin, G.P., Video Interview with CIVIS,
July 1 1986.

"I am of the opinion that all experiments on animals should
be abolished because they only lead us to error."
Dr Marie-Louise Griboval, April 1987. Hans Ruesch, One
Thousand Doctors (and many more) Against Vivisection.

"As a physician, I am definitely opposed to animal experiments.
They are totally useless, they don't contribute in any way to
progress of medicine."
Dr med. Jurg Kym, Physicians Have the Word, ATRA,
December 1986. Hans Ruesch, One Thousand Doctors (and
many more) Against Vivisection.

"My own conviction is that the study of human physiology
by way of experiments on animals is the most grotesque and
fantastic error ever committed in the whole range of human
intellectual activity."
Dr G. F. Walker, Medical World, December 1933.

http://www.health.org.nz/foreartl.html
http://www.health.org.nz/contents.html

Adverse reactions to pharmaceutical drugs are -at least-
the fourth leading cause of death in the West. Surprise?

Here are your brain washers,, from 10's of thousands of "real" doctors,
you have a select few that have been laughed out of the profession

'For over 100 years thousands of medical doctors and scientists
have opposed animal experimentation in relation to human medicine:

"IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO MIMIC A CHRONIC HUMAN DISEASE
IN ANIMALS. The reason is that each species is BIOCHEMICALLY,
IMMUNOLOGICALLY, PHYSIOLOGICALLY, AND
ANATOMICALLY UNIQUE."
Brandon Reines , DVM & revisionist medical historian "Psychology
Experiments on Animals" 1982

"ANIMAL MODELS HAVE VIRTUALLY NO STATISTICAL
PREDICTIVE VALUE."
S. Peller, "Quantitative Research in Human Biology and Medicine"
1967

"Vivisection is rooted in error, and when the truth becomes
known it will disappear."
Dr. Max Mader, G.P., Graz, 1908
..............'
http://marcussternum.tripod.com/doctors.htm

Go read what vivisectors say about it at that link.

Ok.. I see you're running away.

Good by,, Looser


--
Rodney Long,
Inventor of the Mojo SpecTastic "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread,
Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, and the EZKnot
http://www.ezknot.com