Tuna salad anyone? Death of a Tuna and Deathof a Whale

"Rodney Long" wrote in message:

You can't reason with a vegetarian, they have lost the protein in their
diet, that allows their brains to function properly. Prime example, they
complain about people killing animals, yet they can no longer, see animals
killing animals, animals even torturing other animals.... (etc., from
earlier message)

and (to pearl);

You have convinced no one on these fishing groups, not a single person, I
have convinced no one on your nut case groups, because you can't reason
with those who's brains fail to function properly due to the lack on
animal protein in their diets, they suffer from a chemical imbalance and
the Prozac, Zanax, and other drugs "all" of you take, can't cure that.
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But what about the "lacto-ovo" vegetarians? Unlike the vegans, they do get
animal protein in their diets. So according to what you say their brains
will not fail to function properly and will not have this "chemical
imbalance" from lack of animal protein in their diets, since they do eat
dairy products and eggs, both good sources of animal proteins - yet these
people still refuse to eat meat. How could that possibly be, if what you
say is correct?

-dr

"Nothing will benefit human health and increase the chances for survival of
life on Earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet." -Albert
Einstein
http://www.quotationspage.com/quote/38115.html

"dangrang" wrote

But what about the "lacto-ovo" vegetarians?

They aren't vegetarians, except according to a sloppy, self-serving
misnomer.

"Dutch" wrote in message
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"dangrang" wrote

But what about the "lacto-ovo" vegetarians?

They aren't vegetarians, except according to a sloppy, self-serving
misnomer.
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For Dutch's sake, my original message (to Rodney) is restated below....

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"Rodney Long" wrote in message:

You can't reason with a vegetarian, they have lost the protein in their
diet, that allows their brains to function properly. Prime example, they
complain about people killing animals, yet they can no longer, see animals
killing animals, animals even torturing other animals.... (etc., from
earlier message)

and (to pearl);

You have convinced no one on these fishing groups, not a single person, I
have convinced no one on your nut case groups, because you can't reason
with those who's brains fail to function properly due to the lack on
animal protein in their diets, they suffer from a chemical imbalance and
the Prozac, Zanax, and other drugs "all" of you take, can't cure that.
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But what about those who follow a meatless diet, yet still consume dairy
products and eggs? Unlike the vegans, they do get animal protein in their
diets. So according to what you say their brains will not fail to function
properly and will not have this "chemical imbalance" from lack of animal
protein in their diets, since they do eat dairy products and eggs, both good
sources of animal proteins - yet these people still refuse to eat meat. How
could that possibly be, if what you say is correct?

-dr

"Nothing will benefit human health and increase the chances for survival of
life on Earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet." -Albert
Einstein
http://www.quotationspage.com/quote/38115.html

"dangrang" wrote in message
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"Dutch" wrote in message
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"dangrang" wrote

But what about the "lacto-ovo" vegetarians?

They aren't vegetarians, except according to a sloppy, self-serving
misnomer.
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For Dutch's sake, my original message (to Rodney) is restated below....

Changing the wording doesn't change anything.

"Dutch" wrote in message
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"dangrang" wrote in message
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"Dutch" wrote in message
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"dangrang" wrote

But what about the "lacto-ovo" vegetarians?

They aren't vegetarians, except according to a sloppy, self-serving
misnomer.
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For Dutch's sake, my original message (to Rodney) is restated below....

Changing the wording doesn't change anything.
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I was following the recommendation you yourself made here some time ago
regarding this:

-Question from Pearl (when discussing diets that don't include meat, but do
include other animal products like dairy / eggs):
"What definition would you prefer to describe a diet excluding meat?"

-Reply from Dutch:
"Meatless"
http://groups.google.ca/group/alt.an...85d6cdd9?hl=en

You complained about the term "lacto-ovo vegetarians" which I used, saying
they aren't vegetarians, so I restated my original message changing
"lacto-ovo vegetarians" to "those who follow a meatless diet, yet still
consume dairy products and eggs", using your preferred word "meatless" to
make you happy. But you nevertheless now say that changing the wording
doesn't change anything. Sheesh! See if I ever do that again....

-dr

"dangrang" wrote in message
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"Dutch" wrote in message
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"dangrang" wrote in message
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"Dutch" wrote in message
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"dangrang" wrote

But what about the "lacto-ovo" vegetarians?

They aren't vegetarians, except according to a sloppy, self-serving
misnomer.
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For Dutch's sake, my original message (to Rodney) is restated below....

Changing the wording doesn't change anything.
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I was following the recommendation you yourself made here some time ago

How would you remember? I don't recall ever seeing your alias. You're not a
scumbag nymshifter are you?

In any case, I am not defending Rodney, as I have said many times, for most
people, in most cases, a vegetarian diet is more than adequate. The primary
problem with it is not poor nutrition, it's the temptation to fall into a
mind-numbing pseudo-moralistic psychosis.

dangrang wrote:


But what about the "lacto-ovo" vegetarians? Unlike the vegans, they do get
animal protein in their diets. So according to what you say their brains
will not fail to function properly and will not have this "chemical
imbalance" from lack of animal protein in their diets, since they do eat
dairy products and eggs, both good sources of animal proteins - yet these
people still refuse to eat meat. How could that possibly be, if what you
say is correct?

Lacking animal fat, in your diet, is not the only reason for mental
illness, yet it is a major cause of it, among those who don't eat meat

--
Rodney Long,
Inventor of the Mojo SpecTastic "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread,
Boomerang Fishing Pro. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, and the EZKnot
http://www.ezknot.com

"Rodney Long" wrote in message ...
dangrang wrote:


But what about the "lacto-ovo" vegetarians? Unlike the vegans, they do get
animal protein in their diets. So according to what you say their brains
will not fail to function properly and will not have this "chemical
imbalance" from lack of animal protein in their diets, since they do eat
dairy products and eggs, both good sources of animal proteins - yet these
people still refuse to eat meat. How could that possibly be, if what you
say is correct?

Lacking animal fat, in your diet, is not the only reason for mental
illness, yet it is a major cause of it, among those who don't eat meat

How many times a week do you recommend that people eat an average
portion of meat (animal protein and fat), in order to enjoy maximum
benefit to brain function and mental health, and avoid mental illness?

"pearl" wrote in message ...
"Rodney Long" wrote in message ...
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Lacking animal fat, in your diet, is not the only reason for mental
illness, yet it is a major cause of it, among those who don't eat meat

How many times a week do you recommend that people eat an average
portion of meat (animal protein and fat), in order to enjoy maximum
benefit to brain function and mental health, and avoid mental illness?

Looks like Rodney's lost his appetite. Guess we'll have to
go by what he says he eats - "I eat MEAT three times a day,
I'm 53 years old," - Rodney Long, 14 November 2006 03:26 .....

'Senile Dementia and Meat Eating
Lumen Foods "Lab Notes" for July 14, 2000

Age concern for meat eaters as new study suggests links
between meat-eating and senile dementia.

Meat-eaters may be more than twice as likely to develop
senile dementia as their vegetarian counterparts, according to
the findings of a study conducted at California's Loma Linda
University.

Dementia is widely recognized as a major medical, social and
economic problem in developed countries where the over 65's
account for an increasingly high percentage of the population.

In the UK, around 20 percent of the total population are aged
over 65. Some five to seven percent of the over 65's are
estimated to suffer moderate or severe dementia; while mild,
early and borderline demented states affect 10 to 50 per cent.
Research has suggested a link between diet and dementia; and
it is possible Alzheimer's Disease and the similar Senile Dementia
of the Alzheimer Type (SDAT) may involve an infectious
component which is spread by an infectious mechanism.

Researchers from the Department of Preventative Medicine
at Loma Linda University investigated the relationship between
animal product consumption and evidence of dementia in two
cohort substudies. The first involved 272 age and postal area
matched Californian residents: 68 vegan, 68 lacto-ovo-vegetarian
and 136 meat-eaters (described as 'heavy' meat-eaters,
consuming meat more than four times weekly). The second
substudy included 2,984 unmatched subjects residing within the
Loma Linda area. All participants were enrolled in the Adventist
Health Study.

In the matched substudy, it was found subjects who ate meat
were more than twice as likely to become demented as their
vegetarian counterparts. This increased to three times as likely
when past meat consumption was taken into account. No
difference was observed between the lacto-ovo-vegetarians
and vegans.

The unmatched substudy found no significant difference in the
incidence of dementia in meat-eaters and vegetarians. It is
suggested that this was due to the unmatched study being unable
to detect the effects of 'heavy' meat consumption. This, in turn,
suggests it is possible that there is minimal or no difference
between the incidence of dementia in vegetarians and occasional
meat-eaters (less than four times/week). Delayed onset of
dementia in vegetarians was detectable in both substudies. In the
unmatched substudy only one person who had been vegetarian
for 30 years developed probable dementia before the age of 75,
whereas nine meat-eaters did. A similar trend was observed in
the matched substudy.

The hypothesis that animal-product consumption may be linked
to senile dementia has previously been proposed by Alzheimer's
researchers. The findings from this preliminary study support
their views and indicates further research is warranted.

Giem, P. et al (1993) The incidence of dementia and intake of
animal products: preliminary findings from the Adventist Health
Study. Neuroepidemiology v. 11 p.28-36

http://www.soybean.com/demen.htm

"Rodney Long" wrote in message
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dangrang wrote:

But what about the "lacto-ovo" vegetarians? Unlike the vegans, they do
get animal protein in their diets. So according to what you say their
brains will not fail to function properly and will not have this
"chemical imbalance" from lack of animal protein in their diets, since
they do eat dairy products and eggs, both good sources of animal
proteins - yet these people still refuse to eat meat. How could that
possibly be, if what you say is correct?

Lacking animal fat, in your diet, is not the only reason for mental
illness, yet it is a major cause of it, among those who don't eat meat
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OK then, let's take a look at a "lacto-ovo" vegetarian diet (for Dutch: a
lacto-ovo meatlessarian diet), that includes, say, 3-4 cups of 2% milk and
1-2 eggs per day. I don't imagine those would be particularly unusual
amounts, there are probably many "lacto-ovo" vegetarians (for Dutch:
lacto-ovo meatlessarians) who consume milk and eggs in that range. 1 cup of
2% milk contains 5 grams of fat and 8 grams of ("complete") protein, and 1
large egg contains 5 grams of fat and 6 grams of ("complete") protein. So
the above dietary range would contain 30 - 44 grams of animal protein and
20 - 30 grams of animal fat per day - and that doesn't even include any
foods like cheese and butter the person may have.

So Rodney, don't you think that such a "lacto-ovo" vegetarian (for Dutch:
lacto-ovo meatlessarian), who consumes 30 - 44 grams of animal protein and
20 - 30 grams of animal fat per day is having enough of those animal
substances to ward off mental illness? If so, how could it be that they
still refuse to eat meat, if what you say is correct, that the lack of
animal protein (and animal fat) in the vegetarian's diet causes their brains
to fail to function properly and have a "chemical imbalance" (causing them
to continue abstaining from meat)?

-dr

"Nothing will benefit human health and increase the chances for survival of
life on Earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet." -Albert
Einstein
http://www.quotationspage.com/quote/38115.html