Bone Fish, Permit etc.

On Tue, 21 Nov 2006 22:40:36 -0000, "Andy Lawson"
wrote:

Hi Guys,

I'm hopefully going for a holiday around next April or May to Cuba and the
Cayos region.

That might not be the best choice. I'd guess that economics plays into
this decision, and depending on when Castro (Fidel) dies, things might
not be as good a deal. I don't see any indications that tourist safety
will be much of an issue, but things are likely to be a bit, um,
unpredictable when he dies and for several months afterward. The short
answer is that I'd offer that the Bahamas and/or Florida Keys might make
a more certain prospect even if hindsight indicates it wasn't the
least-expensive. This is a case where a guide, or at least a boat and
operator, isn't necessary, but perhaps worth considering if time is
short.

I'm a reasonable fly fisherman for Trout on river & lake but I've not done
any fly fishing for Bone Fish or Permit before, so I'd welcome any
recommendations on web pages, good books, DVD's etc. which will help me
research before hand.

I've been talking to my local Orvis shop on tackle, flies, etc but any
advice from the group Bone fisher people as to tactics etc would be really
appreciated as well.

If you don't already have a salt-suitable setup, I'd recommend a good
used Billy Pate reel (with some basic spare parts pre-purchased) and any
decent 9ish weight rod that happens to strike your fancy (and budget).
If the budget allows, a brace might make a good investment, and if it is
a "once in a lifetime" trip, one or both sold off after the adventure.

Thanks in advance,

You're welcome,
R

wrote:
On Tue, 21 Nov 2006 22:40:36 -0000, "Andy Lawson"
wrote:


Hi Guys,

I'm hopefully going for a holiday around next April or May to Cuba and the
Cayos region.


That might not be the best choice.

The summer before last, on a fishing trip in Belize with Willi, we met
two Englishmen who had just come from Cayo Largo:

http://www.cubatravelusa.com/fishing_cayo_largo.htm
http://www.cubatravelusa.com/cayo_largo3.htm

It was, according to them, fantastic bonefishing. They didn't like the
food, however. (These were two very fat brothers from Liverpool -- one
was loquacious and one was taciturn -- I called them Tweedle Dee and
Tweedle Dum.)

It ****es me off to no end that my government, in its infinite wisdom,
and of course considering the influence of the Cuban exile community in
the swing state of Florida, does not permit me to travel to Cuba under
penalty of law. Where do these pipsqueak politicians get off telling me
where I can and can't go?

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

http://www.cubatravelusa.com/fishing_cayo_largo.htmOn Tue, 21 Nov 2006
23:53:03 GMT, rw wrote:

wrote:
On Tue, 21 Nov 2006 22:40:36 -0000, "Andy Lawson"
wrote:


Hi Guys,

I'm hopefully going for a holiday around next April or May to Cuba and the
Cayos region.


That might not be the best choice.

The summer before last, on a fishing trip in Belize with Willi, we met
two Englishmen who had just come from Cayo Largo:

http://www.cubatravelusa.com/fishing_cayo_largo.htm
http://www.cubatravelusa.com/cayo_largo3.htm

It was, according to them, fantastic bonefishing. They didn't like the
food, however. (These were two very fat brothers from Liverpool -- one
was loquacious and one was taciturn -- I called them Tweedle Dee and
Tweedle Dum.)

It ****es me off to no end that my government, in its infinite wisdom,
and of course considering the influence of the Cuban exile community in
the swing state of Florida, does not permit me to travel to Cuba under
penalty of law. Where do these pipsqueak politicians get off telling me
where I can and can't go?

Did you actually _READ_ any of the site you yourself posted? Part of me
is tempted to simply call you a moron, but I don't _really_ think you
are, another part is tempted to make smart-assed remarks, and the
remaining part is just sad that you're spreading bad information even
with better information at your fingertips. So I'm simply asking, "Did
you actually _READ_ any of the site you posted?"

R

On Tue, 21 Nov 2006 19:05:53 -0600, wrote:


It ****es me off to no end that my government, in its infinite wisdom,
and of course considering the influence of the Cuban exile community in
the swing state of Florida, does not permit me to travel to Cuba under
penalty of law. Where do these pipsqueak politicians get off telling me
where I can and can't go?

Did you actually _READ_ any of the site you yourself posted? Part of me
is tempted to simply call you a moron, but I don't _really_ think you
are, another part is tempted to make smart-assed remarks, and the
remaining part is just sad that you're spreading bad information even
with better information at your fingertips. So I'm simply asking, "Did
you actually _READ_ any of the site you posted?"

Well, the Travel Cuba USA site quotes what US citizens can legally go
to Cuba.

"Americans can travel to Cuba legally if you are a Cuban American,
politician, journalist or if you have a research project regarding
Cuba. Others including students, religious groups, and humanitarians
can apply for a license from the U.S. Treasury Department Office of
Foreign Assets Control (OFAC)"

I don't think that covers too many bone fishermen and tourists who
want a tan on the beach.
--

r.bc: vixen
Speaker to squirrels, willow watcher, etc..
Often taunted by trout. Almost entirely harmless. Really.

http://www.visi.com/~cyli

Cyli wrote:
On Tue, 21 Nov 2006 19:05:53 -0600, wrote:



It ****es me off to no end that my government, in its infinite wisdom,
and of course considering the influence of the Cuban exile community in
the swing state of Florida, does not permit me to travel to Cuba under
penalty of law. Where do these pipsqueak politicians get off telling me
where I can and can't go?

Did you actually _READ_ any of the site you yourself posted? Part of me
is tempted to simply call you a moron, but I don't _really_ think you
are, another part is tempted to make smart-assed remarks, and the
remaining part is just sad that you're spreading bad information even
with better information at your fingertips. So I'm simply asking, "Did
you actually _READ_ any of the site you posted?"


Well, the Travel Cuba USA site quotes what US citizens can legally go
to Cuba.

"Americans can travel to Cuba legally if you are a Cuban American,
politician, journalist or if you have a research project regarding
Cuba. Others including students, religious groups, and humanitarians
can apply for a license from the U.S. Treasury Department Office of
Foreign Assets Control (OFAC)"

I don't think that covers too many bone fishermen and tourists who
want a tan on the beach.

It is impossible for anyone under American jurisdiction to travel to
Cuba legally as a tourist, unless perhaps he or she made a substantial
contribution to the Republican Party.

A license is required, and the conditions for a license specifically
exclude tourism.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

"rw" wrote in message
nk.net...
Cyli wrote:
On Tue, 21 Nov 2006 19:05:53 -0600, wrote:



It ****es me off to no end that my government, in its infinite wisdom,
and of course considering the influence of the Cuban exile community in
the swing state of Florida, does not permit me to travel to Cuba under
penalty of law. Where do these pipsqueak politicians get off telling me
where I can and can't go?

Did you actually _READ_ any of the site you yourself posted? Part of me
is tempted to simply call you a moron, but I don't _really_ think you
are, another part is tempted to make smart-assed remarks, and the
remaining part is just sad that you're spreading bad information even
with better information at your fingertips. So I'm simply asking, "Did
you actually _READ_ any of the site you posted?"


Well, the Travel Cuba USA site quotes what US citizens can legally go
to Cuba.

"Americans can travel to Cuba legally if you are a Cuban American,
politician, journalist or if you have a research project regarding
Cuba. Others including students, religious groups, and humanitarians
can apply for a license from the U.S. Treasury Department Office of
Foreign Assets Control (OFAC)"

I don't think that covers too many bone fishermen and tourists who
want a tan on the beach.

It is impossible for anyone under American jurisdiction to travel to Cuba
legally as a tourist, unless perhaps he or she made a substantial
contribution to the Republican Party.

A license is required, and the conditions for a license specifically
exclude tourism.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

If you have relatives in Cuba, you can easily go. Daughters college friend
still has family in Cuba, so the family went to see them. Girl said she
kissed the ground when she returned to the US as Cuba was not very nice
living wise.

Calif Bill wrote:

If you have relatives in Cuba, you can easily go.

I don't have relatives in Cuba.

It used to be that you could enter Cuba illegally through Canada or
Mexico and get away with it, but President Bush, bless his heart,
started really cracking down. Now you face 10 years imprisonment and a
fine of $250,000.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

On Wed, 22 Nov 2006 05:33:11 GMT, rw
wrote:

Cyli wrote:
On Tue, 21 Nov 2006 19:05:53 -0600, wrote:



It ****es me off to no end that my government, in its infinite wisdom,
and of course considering the influence of the Cuban exile community in
the swing state of Florida, does not permit me to travel to Cuba under
penalty of law. Where do these pipsqueak politicians get off telling me
where I can and can't go?

Did you actually _READ_ any of the site you yourself posted? Part of me
is tempted to simply call you a moron, but I don't _really_ think you
are, another part is tempted to make smart-assed remarks, and the
remaining part is just sad that you're spreading bad information even
with better information at your fingertips. So I'm simply asking, "Did
you actually _READ_ any of the site you posted?"


Well, the Travel Cuba USA site quotes what US citizens can legally go
to Cuba.

"Americans can travel to Cuba legally if you are a Cuban American,
politician, journalist or if you have a research project regarding
Cuba. Others including students, religious groups, and humanitarians
can apply for a license from the U.S. Treasury Department Office of
Foreign Assets Control (OFAC)"

I don't think that covers too many bone fishermen and tourists who
want a tan on the beach.

It is impossible for anyone under American jurisdiction to travel to
Cuba legally as a tourist,

Um, excuse me, there, Arthur Frommer, but what you seem to be attempting
to say is wrong - IAC, yes, an American citizen can legally travel to
Cuba as a tourist.

unless perhaps he or she made a substantial
contribution to the Republican Party.

Actually, on this one, the Dems would be the one to bribe if it were
necessary.

A license is required,

No, it isn't.

and the conditions for a license specifically exclude tourism.

AHA! Finally, ya got one...but it's a meaningless one...

HTH,
R

wrote:
On Wed, 22 Nov 2006 05:33:11 GMT, rw
wrote:


Cyli wrote:

On Tue, 21 Nov 2006 19:05:53 -0600, wrote:




It ****es me off to no end that my government, in its infinite wisdom,
and of course considering the influence of the Cuban exile community in
the swing state of Florida, does not permit me to travel to Cuba under
penalty of law. Where do these pipsqueak politicians get off telling me
where I can and can't go?

Did you actually _READ_ any of the site you yourself posted? Part of me
is tempted to simply call you a moron, but I don't _really_ think you
are, another part is tempted to make smart-assed remarks, and the
remaining part is just sad that you're spreading bad information even
with better information at your fingertips. So I'm simply asking, "Did
you actually _READ_ any of the site you posted?"


Well, the Travel Cuba USA site quotes what US citizens can legally go
to Cuba.

"Americans can travel to Cuba legally if you are a Cuban American,
politician, journalist or if you have a research project regarding
Cuba. Others including students, religious groups, and humanitarians
can apply for a license from the U.S. Treasury Department Office of
Foreign Assets Control (OFAC)"

I don't think that covers too many bone fishermen and tourists who
want a tan on the beach.

It is impossible for anyone under American jurisdiction to travel to
Cuba legally as a tourist,


Um, excuse me, there, Arthur Frommer, but what you seem to be attempting
to say is wrong - IAC, yes, an American citizen can legally travel to
Cuba as a tourist.

As usual, you don't know what the **** you're talking about, but that
doesn't stop you from bloviating.

What am I going to believe: what's reported in the South Florida
Sun-Sentinel, what's stated unambiguously as policy by the President and
the Justice Department, or what's claimed by a ROFF ****head who's
famous for being wrong about nearly everything and has the track record
to prove it?

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

rw wrote:

It is impossible for anyone under American jurisdiction to travel to
Cuba legally as a tourist, unless perhaps he or she made a substantial
contribution to the Republican Party.


I got a travel permit back in 1999, no checks were written to either
party. The purpose was specific to "verifying bass fishing
opportunities" as part of a credentialed group. (Good fishing btw).

Didn't you have an article published in a national ff mag a few years
back. Could kind of make you a free lance journalist, even if you
can't go as a tourist. g