hunters and landowners in Pa.- interesting rights and responsibilities under laww

In article . com,
says...
the lying liberal from Lancaster wrote:

...so what's your F-ING problem ?....

NAHAY?

It begins with an expensive education


I dunno about that. I wouldn't be surprised to find Dickie had
attended expensive schools, but I believe he heroically resisted
becoming educated while he was there.

Kevin

Kevin Vang wrote:
In article . com,
says...
the lying liberal from Lancaster wrote:

...so what's your F-ING problem ?....

NAHAY?

It begins with an expensive education


I dunno about that. I wouldn't be surprised to find Dickie had
attended expensive schools, but I believe he heroically resisted
becoming educated while he was there.

Good point. The result does not necessarily provide an accurate
reflection of the expenditure required for someone to make the effort
of delivery.

I wish I'd thought of that.

Wolfgang
who would have......eventually.....seriously.

Wolfgang wrote:
Kevin Vang wrote:
In article . com,
says...
the lying liberal from Lancaster wrote:

...so what's your F-ING problem ?....

NAHAY?

It begins with an expensive education


I dunno about that. I wouldn't be surprised to find Dickie had
attended expensive schools, but I believe he heroically resisted
becoming educated while he was there.

Good point. The result does not necessarily provide an accurate
reflection of the expenditure required for someone to make the effort
of delivery.

I wish I'd thought of that.

Wolfgang
who would have......eventually.....seriously.


and now comes the window dressing that is a futile attempt to retreat
under a smokescreen of infantile insults...

meaning you don't own any land to post, regardless- and can't stand
being told what the law really is

too bad !

"duty-honor-country" wrote in message
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and now comes the window dressing that is a futile attempt to retreat
under a smokescreen of infantile insults...

meaning you don't own any land to post, regardless- and can't stand
being told what the law really is

too bad !

Bottom-line is that hunters need to know the laws of any state that they
intend to hunt. If they don't they deserve whatever they get.

You seem bent on hunting land that isn't yours, just because it isn't
posted? Around these parts, the best way to find out if you can hunt land
that isn't yours and isn't public land, is to ask the land owner for
permission first! Not after he has found you on his land and asked you to
leave and never come back.

Your attitude and logic is detrimental to all hunters. "If it ain't posted,
****'em! I'm gonna hunt it 'til they tell me otherwise!" The only thing
that creates is hostility toward hunters in general. Huntin' land is
becomin' scarce enough as it is, without anonymous ****s trying to stir up
****!

The deer in the link below was taken *on* my families property. The bottom
photo was taken by my game camera. The young man that killed the deer is
the son of a co-worker, who had no where to hunt and I invited him up to our
property. We have a small piece of land in the middle of 58,000 acres of
Pisgah National Forest game lands.

http://tinyurl.com/yzsw9x


Op --who has private property and allows decent hunters to hunt it.--

Opus wrote:
"duty-honor-country" wrote in message
oups.com...


and now comes the window dressing that is a futile attempt to retreat
under a smokescreen of infantile insults...

meaning you don't own any land to post, regardless- and can't stand
being told what the law really is

too bad !

Bottom-line is that hunters need to know the laws of any state that they
intend to hunt. If they don't they deserve whatever they get.

You seem bent on hunting land that isn't yours, just because it isn't
posted? Around these parts, the best way to find out if you can hunt land
that isn't yours and isn't public land, is to ask the land owner for
permission first! Not after he has found you on his land and asked you to
leave and never come back.

Your attitude and logic is detrimental to all hunters. "If it ain't posted,
****'em! I'm gonna hunt it 'til they tell me otherwise!" The only thing
that creates is hostility toward hunters in general. Huntin' land is
becomin' scarce enough as it is, without anonymous ****s trying to stir up
****!

The deer in the link below was taken *on* my families property. The bottom
photo was taken by my game camera. The young man that killed the deer is
the son of a co-worker, who had no where to hunt and I invited him up to our
property. We have a small piece of land in the middle of 58,000 acres of
Pisgah National Forest game lands.

http://tinyurl.com/yzsw9x


Op --who has private property and allows decent hunters to hunt it.--


yo, Zippy- how the hell are you supposed to know who owns what, with
large tracts of hundreds of acres, and no homes in sight ?

that's what the posting statutes were specifically designed to prevent-
the wholesale CLOSING OFF of hunting lands by owners who don't even
live in the area

otherwise the King of England could effectively buy and close all
hunting land in the USA- and not post it either- and not even be a
citizen to boot

think about the abuses of that system, you are proposing

the posting statutes see to it, so that billionaire tycoons don't
effectively choke off hunting from common folk

ever heard of government by the people, for the people ?

that's the USA

On 5 Dec 2006 04:56:25 -0800, "duty-honor-country"
wrote:


Opus wrote:
"duty-honor-country" wrote in message
oups.com...


and now comes the window dressing that is a futile attempt to retreat
under a smokescreen of infantile insults...

meaning you don't own any land to post, regardless- and can't stand
being told what the law really is

too bad !

Bottom-line is that hunters need to know the laws of any state that they
intend to hunt. If they don't they deserve whatever they get.

You seem bent on hunting land that isn't yours, just because it isn't
posted? Around these parts, the best way to find out if you can hunt land
that isn't yours and isn't public land, is to ask the land owner for
permission first! Not after he has found you on his land and asked you to
leave and never come back.

Your attitude and logic is detrimental to all hunters. "If it ain't posted,
****'em! I'm gonna hunt it 'til they tell me otherwise!" The only thing
that creates is hostility toward hunters in general. Huntin' land is
becomin' scarce enough as it is, without anonymous ****s trying to stir up
****!

The deer in the link below was taken *on* my families property. The bottom
photo was taken by my game camera. The young man that killed the deer is
the son of a co-worker, who had no where to hunt and I invited him up to our
property. We have a small piece of land in the middle of 58,000 acres of
Pisgah National Forest game lands.

http://tinyurl.com/yzsw9x


Op --who has private property and allows decent hunters to hunt it.--


yo, Zippy- how the hell are you supposed to know who owns what, with
large tracts of hundreds of acres, and no homes in sight ?

Yeah, that's a toughie...well, you could look around, and if you're not
in your single-wide, you could hazard a guess that you aren't standing
on something that you might someday own, assuming you can eventually
make all the payments...

that's what the posting statutes were specifically designed to prevent-
the wholesale CLOSING OFF of hunting lands by owners who don't even
live in the area

otherwise the King of England could effectively buy and close all
hunting land in the USA- and not post it either- and not even be a
citizen to boot

Wait just a gol-durned minute, here...the King of England? The sneaky
******* - first, pretending to be a woman, and now, she's, er, he's
retaking the colonies by buying up all the hunting land in rural
Pennsylvania...and ya think there's a chance she, oops, he'd not be a
citizen of the USA, do ya?

think about the abuses of that system, you are proposing

Yeah, if the King of England owned all of the hunting land in PA, and
then, didn't post it according to PA law, why **** fire and save
matches, cats would lie down with dogs, and...and...and...OK, so cats
lying down with dogs would be bad enough...

the posting statutes see to it, so that billionaire tycoons don't
effectively choke off hunting from common folk

Yeah, that's a foolproof strategy - hit 'em in the pocketbook...after
buying up all the land, should his royal highness be tempted to sell,
those billionaire tycoons might be too broke to afford any "Posted"
signs...

ever heard of government by the people, for the people ?

ever heard of Zyprexia and clozapine? Talk to your doctor...side
effects such as lunatic USENET postings, nonsensical historical
allusions, and a completely ****ed-up understanding of multiple legal
issues are possible, and if you develop an erection lasting more than
four hours, call Stevie and taunt him...

that's the USA

Ah, it's just like a Lee Greenwood concert...

"duty-honor-country" wrote in message
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yo, Zippy- how the hell are you supposed to know who owns what, with
large tracts of hundreds of acres, and no homes in sight ?


Yo ho, anonymous ****head!

Here in the land of the, at least semi-literate, we have a county government
with offices that handle just such questions. For example,

This is the map of my mother's and uncle's land: http://tinyurl.com/3qc2o

Which can be found by going to this site: http://maps.co.caldwell.nc.us/

You might even check with the register of deeds?

With just the slightest amount of due diligence, you might even find someone
who knows someone, who knows the landowner? You see, you know that you
don't own the land. So, maybe it belong to someone other than you?

Really, it's not that difficult a concept to grasp. Sure the owner might be
required by law to post his or her land, but it never hurts to ask first,
before you go stepping on you dick!

that's what the posting statutes were specifically designed to prevent-
the wholesale CLOSING OFF of hunting lands by owners who don't even
live in the area

What does it matter, if they don't live in the area? If they post the land
and you don't have permission to hunt it, you are trespassing.

From your source:

"The current state of American hunting law reflects the history of the right
to hunt in this nation. Most states now have statutes requiring landowners
to post their land to exclude hunters; the other states have statutes
requiring hunters to get explicit permission from landowners before they
hunt. Even Vermont, which has a constitutional provision granting hunters
the right to hunt on unenclosed private land, has a posting statute."
http://www.law.duke.edu/shell/cite.pl?54+Duke+L.+J.+549
You see things have changed a slight bit since the 1700s.

otherwise the King of England could effectively buy and close all
hunting land in the USA- and not post it either- and not even be a
citizen to boot

Ok, we know that you are a TROLL and that you're not all that bright, but
the last King Of England died in 1952. They now have a Queen. Her name is
Elizabeth II

Be that as it may. Many foreign companies own land in the U.S., and I'd bet
a shiny nickle that Queen Elizabeth II has some land here too. And I bet
that you can't hunt that land either.

think about the abuses of that system, you are proposing

I propose nothing. You on the other hand propose to rush willy nilly on to
someone's land with a firearm, without the decency of asking the landowner
first! If I were proposing anything, and I am not, I would proposr that you
think before you shove you head up your ass, next time.

the posting statutes see to it, so that billionaire tycoons don't
effectively choke off hunting from common folk

No they don't, you dimwitted mutant ****-maggot. Billionaire tycoons, or
raccoons for that matter, would simply pay someone to post their lands for
them and you still couldn't legally hunt that land--dumbass!

Posting statutes give common folk the right to protect their lands from
imbeciles like you!

ever heard of government by the people, for the people ?

Yeah, I'm a student of political science, so I know that "government of the
people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth." is
a the last phrase in Lincoln's Gettysburg Address, and has nothing to do
with posting statutes, but referred to the salvation of the Union.

that's the USA

Well yeah, since Lincoln's armies were able to defeat those of the
Confederate States. However, that's a story for another time, right?

Op

"Opus" wrote in message
...

"duty-honor-country" wrote in message
oups.com...



yo, Zippy- how the hell are you supposed to know who owns what, with
large tracts of hundreds of acres, and no homes in sight ?


Yo ho, anonymous ****head!

Here in the land of the, at least semi-literate, we have a county
government with offices that handle just such questions. For example,

This is the map of my mother's and uncle's land: http://tinyurl.com/3qc2o

Which can be found by going to this site: http://maps.co.caldwell.nc.us/

You might even check with the register of deeds?

With just the slightest amount of due diligence, you might even find
someone who knows someone, who knows the landowner? You see, you know
that you don't own the land. So, maybe it belong to someone other than
you?

Really, it's not that difficult a concept to grasp. Sure the owner might
be required by law to post his or her land, but it never hurts to ask
first, before you go stepping on you dick!

that's what the posting statutes were specifically designed to prevent-
the wholesale CLOSING OFF of hunting lands by owners who don't even
live in the area

What does it matter, if they don't live in the area? If they post the
land and you don't have permission to hunt it, you are trespassing.

From your source:

"The current state of American hunting law reflects the history of the
right to hunt in this nation. Most states now have statutes requiring
landowners to post their land to exclude hunters; the other states have
statutes requiring hunters to get explicit permission from landowners
before they hunt. Even Vermont, which has a constitutional provision
granting hunters the right to hunt on unenclosed private land, has a
posting statute."
http://www.law.duke.edu/shell/cite.pl?54+Duke+L.+J.+549
You see things have changed a slight bit since the 1700s.

otherwise the King of England could effectively buy and close all
hunting land in the USA- and not post it either- and not even be a
citizen to boot

Ok, we know that you are a TROLL and that you're not all that bright, but
the last King Of England died in 1952. They now have a Queen. Her name
is Elizabeth II

Be that as it may. Many foreign companies own land in the U.S., and I'd
bet a shiny nickle that Queen Elizabeth II has some land here too. And I
bet that you can't hunt that land either.

think about the abuses of that system, you are proposing

I propose nothing. You on the other hand propose to rush willy nilly on
to someone's land with a firearm, without the decency of asking the
landowner first! If I were proposing anything, and I am not, I would
proposr that you think before you shove you head up your ass, next time.

the posting statutes see to it, so that billionaire tycoons don't
effectively choke off hunting from common folk

No they don't, you dimwitted mutant ****-maggot. Billionaire tycoons, or
raccoons for that matter, would simply pay someone to post their lands for
them and you still couldn't legally hunt that land--dumbass!

Posting statutes give common folk the right to protect their lands from
imbeciles like you!

ever heard of government by the people, for the people ?

Yeah, I'm a student of political science, so I know that "government of
the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the
earth." is a the last phrase in Lincoln's Gettysburg Address, and has
nothing to do with posting statutes, but referred to the salvation of the
Union.

that's the USA

Well yeah, since Lincoln's armies were able to defeat those of the
Confederate States. However, that's a story for another time, right?

Op


And in California, 1/2 the land is owned by the people. Via government
ownership. So, most likely posting needs to be required. Look at a BLM map
of lots of Northern California woodlands and every other square mile is
public land. Left over from the railroad building days. so if you want the
people to stay off your land, you better post it as yours. With your
contact info. So people can actually check on ownership. A few grazing
lease holders in the West have been slapped down for posting the land. Just
because you have grazing rights, does not infer you have total use of the
land.

duty-honor-country wrote:
Wolfgang wrote:
Kevin Vang wrote:
In article . com,
says...
the lying liberal from Lancaster wrote:

...so what's your F-ING problem ?....

NAHAY?

It begins with an expensive education


I dunno about that. I wouldn't be surprised to find Dickie had
attended expensive schools, but I believe he heroically resisted
becoming educated while he was there.

Good point. The result does not necessarily provide an accurate
reflection of the expenditure required for someone to make the effort
of delivery.

I wish I'd thought of that.

Wolfgang
who would have......eventually.....seriously.


and now comes the window dressing that is a futile attempt to retreat
under a smokescreen of infantile insults...

meaning you don't own any land to post, regardless- and can't stand
being told what the law really is

Oh goody! Yet another anonymous dumbass hall of fame wannabee.

too bad !

Uh uh......too good!

Wolfgang
place your bets, boys and girls.

"Wolfgang" wrote in message
place your bets, boys and girls.

I'd bet he gets in on the first ballot, 'cept the field had been
exceptionally crowded lately.

Joe F.