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Did Al Gore invent newsgroups 30 years ago?
Time flies..


Bill


"Jay Carter" wrote in message
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Wow.. so much hate.

I apologize for trying to open another venue for talking about bass
fishing. I thought, obvioulsy incorrectly, that people might enjoy
having a place better suited for discussions than almost 30 year old
technology.

Again, my apologies.




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"bill allemann" wrote in message
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Did Al Gore invent newsgroups 30 years ago?
Time flies..




I'm gonna have to go look it up now, but I thought usenet was older than the
internet. Atleast older than the internet as we know it. Its an out growth
of the old message relay system of military and university computers.

Here is one history from
http://www.usenet.com/articles/history_of_usenet.htm

Birth of Usenet
Usenet was born approximately 3 decades ago, in 1979. It all began as a
small communication network between a few universities in the United States
used to trade information, news, and research results. It has grown from a
simple design without an official structure, to a logical network linking
millions of people and computers to over 100,000 different newsgroups and
millions of bytes of articles. What began as two or three sites on a single
network in 1979, expanded to 15 in 1980, to 150 in 1981, to 400 in 1982, to
millions in 2003.

Who Created Usenet
Two Duke University graduate students in North Carolina, Tom Truscott and
Jim Ellis, came up with the idea of hooking computers together to exchange
information with the UNIX community. The first news software, called 'A'
News was built by Steve Bellovin, another Duke student. As the news volume
increased exponentially, the limited functionality of 'A' News was replaced
by a newer version called 'B' News in 1981, developed by Mark Horton and
Matt Glickman. 'B' News was followed by an improved version naturally called
'C' News in 1987 which was created by Geoff Collyer and Henry Spencer.
Nowadays, there are numerous software packages for news management. Users
can access the newsgroups and their content using a constantly increasing
number of newsreader applications.

Hmmmm..... Basically it looks like Usenet was started in 1979. According
to these they were just University networks to start.


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I think that was called Arpanet, or something like that.

I don't think computer systems from back then are very relevant to "casual"
usage of recent years, though.

Bill



"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
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"bill allemann" wrote in message
t...
Did Al Gore invent newsgroups 30 years ago?
Time flies..




I'm gonna have to go look it up now, but I thought usenet was older than
the internet. Atleast older than the internet as we know it. Its an out
growth of the old message relay system of military and university
computers.

Here is one history from
http://www.usenet.com/articles/history_of_usenet.htm

Birth of Usenet
Usenet was born approximately 3 decades ago, in 1979. It all began as a
small communication network between a few universities in the United
States used to trade information, news, and research results. It has grown
from a simple design without an official structure, to a logical network
linking millions of people and computers to over 100,000 different
newsgroups and millions of bytes of articles. What began as two or three
sites on a single network in 1979, expanded to 15 in 1980, to 150 in 1981,
to 400 in 1982, to millions in 2003.

Who Created Usenet
Two Duke University graduate students in North Carolina, Tom Truscott and
Jim Ellis, came up with the idea of hooking computers together to exchange
information with the UNIX community. The first news software, called 'A'
News was built by Steve Bellovin, another Duke student. As the news volume
increased exponentially, the limited functionality of 'A' News was
replaced by a newer version called 'B' News in 1981, developed by Mark
Horton and Matt Glickman. 'B' News was followed by an improved version
naturally called 'C' News in 1987 which was created by Geoff Collyer and
Henry Spencer. Nowadays, there are numerous software packages for news
management. Users can access the newsgroups and their content using a
constantly increasing number of newsreader applications.

Hmmmm..... Basically it looks like Usenet was started in 1979. According
to these they were just University networks to start.


--
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Fishing Arizona & The Colorado River
Fishing Forums & Contests
http://www.YumaBassMan.com



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"bill allemann" wrote in message
t...
I think that was called Arpanet, or something like that.

I don't think computer systems from back then are very relevant to
"casual" usage of recent years, though.

Bill



It could just as easily have grown from something newer like Rime-Net or
Relay-Net


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Fishing Arizona & The Colorado River
Fishing Forums & Contests
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"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
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"bill allemann" wrote in message
t...
I think that was called Arpanet, or something like that.

I don't think computer systems from back then are very relevant to
"casual" usage of recent years, though.

Bill



It could just as easily have grown from something newer like Rime-Net or
Relay-Net


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Fishing Arizona & The Colorado River
Fishing Forums & Contests
http://www.YumaBassMan.com



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Was Arpa net and Darpa net. I was on Arpa Net in about 1981 range. We were
fed from Stanford, I think, via another company near us in Milpitas, Ca. We
had sold our Building to Xerox when they bought Shugart Associates as we
were between Building 4 and 5 in Sunnyvale. Dang I is old.

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Was Arpa net and Darpa net. I was on Arpa Net in about 1981 range. We
were
fed from Stanford, I think, via another company near us in Milpitas, Ca. We
had sold our Building to Xerox when they bought Shugart Associates as we
were between Building 4 and 5 in Sunnyvale. Dang I is old."
----------------------

Nah, Bill... you aren't that old. In fact, you're still a cub.

Usenet, Rime-Net, Hair-Net.... they're all light years ahead of what we had
when I entered the workforce -- scratching crude pictures and symbols on
boulders and rolling them from cube to cube! "Rock-n-roll" was fast, cheap,
and required little OJT. For short notes, a fist-size rock would do. My head
still throbs in memory of all the jokes and chain-rocks that whizzed around
our community.

Of course, rock-n-roll found its way from the office to society in general,
and then parents were faced with the challenge of figuring out the rock
symbols their teenagers devised and used among themselves. (There was no
respect for convention even back in the day.)

Once a technology has become entrenched, troglodytes will hold onto to it
forever. As I visit the major cities of the U.S., I'm pleased to note that
the denizens still adhere to the old ways, as evidenced by bricks whizzing
through the air at political rallies and large, flamboyant messages posted
on brick walls, alleyways, bridge pilings, stationary boxcars, subway
tunnels... almost any highly-visible, vertical surface invites
correspondence.

Boy, what excitement filled the place when someone introduced the technique
of using a stylus to press cuneiform patterns pressed into moist clay
tablets. Very neat, but talk about slow! We had to let them cure before we
could send over to the other cubes in our office or to other cave complexes.
And, as we later learned, every technological advance in communications
created a buracracy and new jobs. Cuneiform writing wasn't easy (it took a
while to learn to speak Phoenecian and the Ugarit alphabet), so every
complex ended up with a HRD department for training the workers. Then we had
to develop specialist for archiving. If someone sent you a note and you
wanted to refer to it later, all you had to do was run down to the stacks,
where all the notes were categorized by subject, or by sent date, or by last
update, or by author, or by recipient. (We seem to have not advanced to far
on that evolutionary path, have we?)

As I progressed in my career, we witnessed communication fads come and go.
Smoke signals were pretty cool, and you could send them over long distance
(much easier than rocks!) but when health-nicks caught wind of the risks
involved, they instituted "no smoking in public places" policies, which
damped that technological advance. Pounding on hollow logs and later
skin-covered drums was neat at first. All the nerds who knew how to drum
were snapped up by companies and drumming became "cool," but as that more
and more people jumped into the act and that technology proliferated, the
airwaves became cluttered. We were always having our messages intercepted,
and too many people online simultaneously clogged the network. The feds put
the kibosh on that with HIPPA, since it's hard to maintain confidentiality
in the open forum of drum messaging.

Fads came and went... papyrus, parchment, paper... then along came Guglielmo
Marconi, Claude Chappe and Samuel Morse, Alexander Graham Bell, John Logie
Baird, and all those braniacs who ushered in the paperless workplaces that
we all enjoy today.

Al Gore added structure and elegance to electronic communications when he
and Ali McGraw (or was it Tipper), invented the Internet. And that's where
we find ourselves today. Don't get too settled on this "Internet" thing. I'm
sure it's just a passing fad, and soon we'll all be abuzz with
"simul-thought-casting" or something else.

Joe

"Joe Haubenreich"
"Was Arpa net and Darpa net. I was on Arpa Net in about 1981 range. We
were
fed from Stanford, I think, via another company near us in Milpitas, Ca.
We
had sold our Building to Xerox when they bought Shugart Associates as we
were between Building 4 and 5 in Sunnyvale. Dang I is old."
----------------------

Nah, Bill... you aren't that old. In fact, you're still a cub.

Geez, I thought I was old because I used to drink wine with Gary Kildall.
You got me beat Joe. Gary was way, way after the clay tablets you
developed.

"Joe Haubenreich" wrote in
message

SNIP

And that's where
we find ourselves today. Don't get too settled on this "Internet" thing.
I'm
sure it's just a passing fad, and soon we'll all be abuzz with
"simul-thought-casting" or something else.

Joe



Joe, LOL, you da man!!!
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"Joe Haubenreich" wrote in
message . ..
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Was Arpa net and Darpa net. I was on Arpa Net in about 1981 range. We
were
fed from Stanford, I think, via another company near us in Milpitas, Ca.
We
had sold our Building to Xerox when they bought Shugart Associates as we
were between Building 4 and 5 in Sunnyvale. Dang I is old."
----------------------

Nah, Bill... you aren't that old. In fact, you're still a cub.

Usenet, Rime-Net, Hair-Net.... they're all light years ahead of what we
had
when I entered the workforce -- scratching crude pictures and symbols on
boulders and rolling them from cube to cube! "Rock-n-roll" was fast,
cheap,
and required little OJT. For short notes, a fist-size rock would do. My
head
still throbs in memory of all the jokes and chain-rocks that whizzed
around
our community.

Of course, rock-n-roll found its way from the office to society in
general,
and then parents were faced with the challenge of figuring out the rock
symbols their teenagers devised and used among themselves. (There was no
respect for convention even back in the day.)

Once a technology has become entrenched, troglodytes will hold onto to it
forever. As I visit the major cities of the U.S., I'm pleased to note that
the denizens still adhere to the old ways, as evidenced by bricks whizzing
through the air at political rallies and large, flamboyant messages posted
on brick walls, alleyways, bridge pilings, stationary boxcars, subway
tunnels... almost any highly-visible, vertical surface invites
correspondence.

Boy, what excitement filled the place when someone introduced the
technique
of using a stylus to press cuneiform patterns pressed into moist clay
tablets. Very neat, but talk about slow! We had to let them cure before we
could send over to the other cubes in our office or to other cave
complexes.
And, as we later learned, every technological advance in communications
created a buracracy and new jobs. Cuneiform writing wasn't easy (it took a
while to learn to speak Phoenecian and the Ugarit alphabet), so every
complex ended up with a HRD department for training the workers. Then we
had
to develop specialist for archiving. If someone sent you a note and you
wanted to refer to it later, all you had to do was run down to the stacks,
where all the notes were categorized by subject, or by sent date, or by
last
update, or by author, or by recipient. (We seem to have not advanced to
far
on that evolutionary path, have we?)

As I progressed in my career, we witnessed communication fads come and go.
Smoke signals were pretty cool, and you could send them over long distance
(much easier than rocks!) but when health-nicks caught wind of the risks
involved, they instituted "no smoking in public places" policies, which
damped that technological advance. Pounding on hollow logs and later
skin-covered drums was neat at first. All the nerds who knew how to drum
were snapped up by companies and drumming became "cool," but as that more
and more people jumped into the act and that technology proliferated, the
airwaves became cluttered. We were always having our messages intercepted,
and too many people online simultaneously clogged the network. The feds
put
the kibosh on that with HIPPA, since it's hard to maintain confidentiality
in the open forum of drum messaging.

Fads came and went... papyrus, parchment, paper... then along came
Guglielmo
Marconi, Claude Chappe and Samuel Morse, Alexander Graham Bell, John Logie
Baird, and all those braniacs who ushered in the paperless workplaces that
we all enjoy today.

Al Gore added structure and elegance to electronic communications when he
and Ali McGraw (or was it Tipper), invented the Internet. And that's where
we find ourselves today. Don't get too settled on this "Internet" thing.
I'm
sure it's just a passing fad, and soon we'll all be abuzz with
"simul-thought-casting" or something else.

Joe



LOL!

Oops! It sounds like my main man has been inhaling his bubble pipe again...

Bob
.................................................. .................................................. ...........
"Joe Haubenreich" wrote in
message . ..
"Calif Bill" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Was Arpa net and Darpa net. I was on Arpa Net in about 1981 range. We
were
fed from Stanford, I think, via another company near us in Milpitas, Ca.
We
had sold our Building to Xerox when they bought Shugart Associates as we
were between Building 4 and 5 in Sunnyvale. Dang I is old."
----------------------

Nah, Bill... you aren't that old. In fact, you're still a cub.

Usenet, Rime-Net, Hair-Net.... they're all light years ahead of what we
had
when I entered the workforce -- scratching crude pictures and symbols on
boulders and rolling them from cube to cube! "Rock-n-roll" was fast,
cheap,
and required little OJT. For short notes, a fist-size rock would do. My
head
still throbs in memory of all the jokes and chain-rocks that whizzed
around
our community.

Of course, rock-n-roll found its way from the office to society in
general,
and then parents were faced with the challenge of figuring out the rock
symbols their teenagers devised and used among themselves. (There was no
respect for convention even back in the day.)

Once a technology has become entrenched, troglodytes will hold onto to it
forever. As I visit the major cities of the U.S., I'm pleased to note that
the denizens still adhere to the old ways, as evidenced by bricks whizzing
through the air at political rallies and large, flamboyant messages posted
on brick walls, alleyways, bridge pilings, stationary boxcars, subway
tunnels... almost any highly-visible, vertical surface invites
correspondence.

Boy, what excitement filled the place when someone introduced the
technique
of using a stylus to press cuneiform patterns pressed into moist clay
tablets. Very neat, but talk about slow! We had to let them cure before we
could send over to the other cubes in our office or to other cave
complexes.
And, as we later learned, every technological advance in communications
created a buracracy and new jobs. Cuneiform writing wasn't easy (it took a
while to learn to speak Phoenecian and the Ugarit alphabet), so every
complex ended up with a HRD department for training the workers. Then we
had
to develop specialist for archiving. If someone sent you a note and you
wanted to refer to it later, all you had to do was run down to the stacks,
where all the notes were categorized by subject, or by sent date, or by
last
update, or by author, or by recipient. (We seem to have not advanced to
far
on that evolutionary path, have we?)

As I progressed in my career, we witnessed communication fads come and go.
Smoke signals were pretty cool, and you could send them over long distance
(much easier than rocks!) but when health-nicks caught wind of the risks
involved, they instituted "no smoking in public places" policies, which
damped that technological advance. Pounding on hollow logs and later
skin-covered drums was neat at first. All the nerds who knew how to drum
were snapped up by companies and drumming became "cool," but as that more
and more people jumped into the act and that technology proliferated, the
airwaves became cluttered. We were always having our messages intercepted,
and too many people online simultaneously clogged the network. The feds
put
the kibosh on that with HIPPA, since it's hard to maintain confidentiality
in the open forum of drum messaging.

Fads came and went... papyrus, parchment, paper... then along came
Guglielmo
Marconi, Claude Chappe and Samuel Morse, Alexander Graham Bell, John Logie
Baird, and all those braniacs who ushered in the paperless workplaces that
we all enjoy today.

Al Gore added structure and elegance to electronic communications when he
and Ali McGraw (or was it Tipper), invented the Internet. And that's where
we find ourselves today. Don't get too settled on this "Internet" thing.
I'm
sure it's just a passing fad, and soon we'll all be abuzz with
"simul-thought-casting" or something else.

Joe