Hypothermia/ neoprene waders?

On Fri, 8 Dec 2006 14:04:05 -0800, "Tom Nakashima"
wrote:

I was just curious, has anyone ever had or come close to Hypothermia while
fishing in their waders?

I've never willingly gotten anywhere close to hypothermia doing
anything, and of the few things I would risk getting even close to
hypothermia trying to accomplish, no recreational activities are on the
list. Hypothermia while fishing isn't "an accident," it is the result
of willingly-made poor choice(s), much like the poor ******* who killed
himself and damned near killed his family recently (in Oregon).

All I have is a set of breathable lightweight waders, but I layer pretty
heavily in extreme cold water conditions, and so far the cold hasn't
bothered me to the point of shivering. I usually out of the water before
that, but there were times when I'm in the water for a long period of time.
A few of my friends suggested I should get a good set of neoprene waders,
just haven't forked the bucks yet. Others have told me neoprene is a waste
of money. It might be handy to have a 2nd pair of waders.
Comments on neoprene waders? Good brands?
fwiw,
-tom

Uh, yeah...thank God someone invented Neoprene so that people could
survive fishing in cold weather...

If you simply wish to take advantage of this or that "modern"
technology, fine, but don't lose sight of two things: 1. People managed
to not only survive, but do fairly well without any of it, and 2. If
what you have ain't broke, fixing it really isn't a necessity. IOW,
nobody _needs_ Neoprene waders. If you feel you need "peer approval" to
go buy what you want, if in fact you just _want_ Neoprene waders, why?

TC,
R

wrote:
Hypothermia while fishing isn't "an accident," it is the result
of willingly-made poor choice(s), much like the poor ******* who killed
himself and damned near killed his family recently (in Oregon).


That's not fair unless you equate human error to poor choice. After
missing his turn James Kim accidentally drove up a road that is usually
closed in winter. I say accidentally because it has since emerged that
vandals cut the chains to the gates. And after 9 days of sitting in the
wilderness with your gas gone, tires burned, an infant and child
suckling from their mother, I'd offer that most of us would have made
that attempt to walk out for help. Had he survived long enough to go
one more mile there was food and shelter to last them the whole winter.
Very sad.

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Scott Seidman wrote:


The trick that the die hard steelheaders around here use is BOOTFOOT
neoprene waders. The heavy contiguous bootfoot keeps the water further
away than the stocking foot with a separate boot, and there's usually more
room in there for heavier socks. The boot should be loose to promote
circulation.


I had a bootfoot pair of neoprenes for years. Replaced them with
stockingfoot, and found that if you are doi8ng a great deal of walking,
the stockingfoots are way more comfortable.

Pete Collin

On Sat, 09 Dec 2006 12:57:24 -0500, GM wrote:

wrote:
Hypothermia while fishing isn't "an accident," it is the result
of willingly-made poor choice(s), much like the poor ******* who killed
himself and damned near killed his family recently (in Oregon).


That's not fair unless you equate human error to poor choice. After
missing his turn James Kim accidentally drove up a road that is usually
closed in winter. I say accidentally because it has since emerged that
vandals cut the chains to the gates. And after 9 days of sitting in the
wilderness with your gas gone, tires burned, an infant and child
suckling from their mother, I'd offer that most of us would have made
that attempt to walk out for help. Had he survived long enough to go
one more mile there was food and shelter to last them the whole winter.
Very sad.

It is very sad. But anyone who makes the choice to take a route they
are uncertain about, in those conditions, when other much safer routes
are readily available has made a poor choice, and when they choose to do
it with an infant and a small child, it's another poor choice. It
doesn't make he or he and his wife wrong or "guilty" of anything, but it
was still a poor choice.

TC,
R

wrote:
On Sat, 09 Dec 2006 12:57:24 -0500, GM wrote:

wrote:
Hypothermia while fishing isn't "an accident," it is the result
of willingly-made poor choice(s), much like the poor ******* who killed
himself and damned near killed his family recently (in Oregon).


That's not fair unless you equate human error to poor choice. After
missing his turn James Kim accidentally drove up a road that is usually
closed in winter. I say accidentally because it has since emerged that
vandals cut the chains to the gates. And after 9 days of sitting in the
wilderness with your gas gone, tires burned, an infant and child
suckling from their mother, I'd offer that most of us would have made
that attempt to walk out for help. Had he survived long enough to go
one more mile there was food and shelter to last them the whole winter.
Very sad.

It is very sad. But anyone who makes the choice to take a route they
are uncertain about, in those conditions, when other much safer routes
are readily available has made a poor choice, and when they choose to do
it with an infant and a small child, it's another poor choice. It
doesn't make he or he and his wife wrong or "guilty" of anything, but it
was still a poor choice.

O.k., anybody, what's funnier than dicklet in ROFF bleating about poor
choices?

Wolfgang
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"Peter A. Collin" wrote in
:

Scott Seidman wrote:


The trick that the die hard steelheaders around here use is BOOTFOOT
neoprene waders. The heavy contiguous bootfoot keeps the water
further away than the stocking foot with a separate boot, and there's
usually more room in there for heavier socks. The boot should be
loose to promote circulation.


I had a bootfoot pair of neoprenes for years. Replaced them with
stockingfoot, and found that if you are doi8ng a great deal of
walking, the stockingfoots are way more comfortable.

Pete Collin


That's certainly true. So long as the boots fit loose enough, and you're
wearing the right kind of socks, you should be OK. I don't like or wear
bootfoots myself.

Another trick is to find something besides felt soles, so you're not
walking on ice!


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"Peter A. Collin" wrote in
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Scott Seidman wrote:


The trick that the die hard steelheaders around here use is BOOTFOOT
neoprene waders. The heavy contiguous bootfoot keeps the water
further away than the stocking foot with a separate boot, and there's
usually more room in there for heavier socks. The boot should be
loose to promote circulation.


I had a bootfoot pair of neoprenes for years. Replaced them with
stockingfoot, and found that if you are doi8ng a great deal of
walking, the stockingfoots are way more comfortable.

Pete Collin


That's certainly true. So long as the boots fit loose enough, and you're
wearing the right kind of socks, you should be OK. I don't like or wear
bootfoots myself.

Another trick is to find something besides felt soles, so you're not
walking on ice!


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Scott
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I like my breathable stockingfoot waders, I layer underarmor, poly-pros, and
fleece as necessary for conditions, works well for me. As far as felt soles
go, my wife just bought me a pair of Korkers, I will be testing the
different interchangeable soles as often as she lets me this winter. Anyone
here have any input/opinions on Korkers?

Jeremy Moe

"pete z" wrote in message
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I have both. Fished in 24 degree temp 34 degree water yesterday with
the breathables.
10 to 20 mph winds. Used the neoprenes the day before. It was much
warmer. 26 degrees.
I noticed no difference. The only thing that got cold was my hands. If
you layer the breathbles with under armor, then fleece, they are just
as warm as neoprene. I think the best
would be breathable with attached boots. Hard to find correct size for
me though.


I very much enjoyed reading all the post. Good test Pete, I believe you
summed it up for me.
-tom