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Scott Seidman wrote:

McCain is a has-been before he even starts. He was bitch-slapped by the
Bush campaign during his run for candidacy, and did nothing about it.
Schoolyard rules say this takes him out of contention, and probably should.

You take a guy who the world knows won't stand up for what's right, and
he'll just be jacked up all over the world, kind of like the Sauds are
jacking up GW today by threatening to support the Sunnis in Iraq.



McCain lost me when he said he thought Intelligent Design should be
taught alongside Evolution. I know he was pandering and they all have to
do some of that, but I don't believe he needed to do it then, on that
particular issue. My opinion opinion of him was further diminished when
he folded under pressure on Military Commissions Act 2006.

Giuliano is polling better then McCain right now.

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On Wed, 13 Dec 2006 14:47:39 -0500, GM wrote:

Scott Seidman wrote:

McCain is a has-been before he even starts. He was bitch-slapped by the
Bush campaign during his run for candidacy, and did nothing about it.
Schoolyard rules say this takes him out of contention, and probably should.

You take a guy who the world knows won't stand up for what's right, and
he'll just be jacked up all over the world, kind of like the Sauds are
jacking up GW today by threatening to support the Sunnis in Iraq.



McCain lost me when he said he thought Intelligent Design should be
taught alongside Evolution. I know he was pandering and they all have to
do some of that, but I don't believe he needed to do it then, on that
particular issue. My opinion opinion of him was further diminished when
he folded under pressure on Military Commissions Act 2006.

First, people cannot be "taught evolution" or "intelligent design," they
can only be informed about them (or "taught _about_ them, if you
prefer). That said, I agree that people should be "taught" about both,
as well as about religion. I don't think "intelligent design" is the
way life came about and evolution is the more-reasonable explanation,
but I'm certainly aware of both, and I'd make sure my children were as
well. And I think you'll find that most voters would want their kids as
well-educated as possible, and many of those would truly believe that
intelligent design is the more-reasonable explanation.

Giuliano is polling better then McCain right now.

"Giuliano"...was that the guy in the porno with Paris Hilton, or the guy
Tony, Bruce Springsteen's guitar player, and the guy with the
Fraankenschteen's Bride hairdo whacked in the season finale of the
Sopranos?

HTH,
R

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That said, I agree that people should be "taught" about both,
as well as about religion.

Exactly. Children should learn about evolution in science class, and about
intelligent design in whichever class they learn about Apollo dragging the
sun across the sky with his chariot.

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That said, I agree that people should be "taught" about both,
as well as about religion.

Exactly. Children should learn about evolution in science class, and
about
intelligent design in whichever class they learn about Apollo dragging the
sun across the sky with his chariot.

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I'm not sure I agree with ya here Scott. I believe the courts said that
"intelligent design" belonged on the shelves of comic book stores.

Op

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That said, I agree that people should be "taught" about both,
as well as about religion.

Exactly. Children should learn about evolution in science class, and
about
intelligent design in whichever class they learn about Apollo
dragging the sun across the sky with his chariot.

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Scott

I'm not sure I agree with ya here Scott. I believe the courts said
that "intelligent design" belonged on the shelves of comic book
stores.

Op





I'm particularly sensitive to this issue. History of Science is a hobby
of mine, and I teach it whenever there's an opportunity.

The Scientific Revolution (in the sense of the nickname of the 1450's-
1550's, not the Kuhnian sense) happened because scientists managed to
shed the religious dogma that people like Aquinas managed to wrap around
the Ptolemaic Universe, with its crystalline celestial spheres moving
heavenly bodies in perfectly circular orbits around the earth. Even my
scientific hero, Tycho Brahe (who I named my parrot after, cause his beak
looks a little metallic), fell victim to this dogma, and supported a
geocentric solar system. Read Brahe's wikipedia entry, if so inclined--
he was a real hoot).

Inquisitors teach this kind of intelligent design crap and call it
science. The enlightened do not.


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Inquisitors teach this kind of intelligent design crap and call it
science. The enlightened do not.

That's pretty bold, calling something "crap" when you don't know
anything whatsoever about it.

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Inquisitors teach this kind of intelligent design crap and call it
science. The enlightened do not.

That's pretty bold, calling something "crap" when you don't know
anything whatsoever about it.

Teach us, oh solon. Um.....well, o.k., teach us "about", anyway.
Seriously.

Wolfgang

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On 13 Dec 2006 20:46:43 GMT, Scott Seidman
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Inquisitors teach this kind of intelligent design crap and call it
science. The enlightened do not.

That's pretty bold, calling something "crap" when you don't know
anything whatsoever about it.


Decades of my scientific training, including federal grant review
responsiblities, all teach me that an untestable hypothesis expounded as
"truth"is shoddy science (aka, crap). Therefore, when we teach something
like this, we don't make believe that it is good science. In fact, we try
to make it clear that its not science at all.

Theologans and religious instructors are perfectly free to discuss such
matters all they want, with whoever I want. If its taught as science in a
school system supported by my tax dollars, I'll be at the top of the class
action suit.

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I'm not sure I agree with ya here Scott. I believe the courts said
that "intelligent design" belonged on the shelves of comic book
stores.

Op


I'm particularly sensitive to this issue. History of Science is a hobby
of mine, and I teach it whenever there's an opportunity.

You may or may not have misread my reply. I was serious too and I don't
think many comic book stores consider their products works of science.
Unless we're talking Marvel Comics.

The Scientific Revolution (in the sense of the nickname of the 1450's-
1550's, not the Kuhnian sense) happened because scientists managed to
shed the religious dogma that people like Aquinas managed to wrap around
the Ptolemaic Universe, with its crystalline celestial spheres moving
heavenly bodies in perfectly circular orbits around the earth. Even my
scientific hero, Tycho Brahe (who I named my parrot after, cause his beak
looks a little metallic), fell victim to this dogma, and supported a
geocentric solar system. Read Brahe's wikipedia entry, if so inclined--
he was a real hoot).

Parrot's who fall victim to religious dogma, now that's a hoot!

Inquisitors teach this kind of intelligent design crap and call it
science. The enlightened do not.

Too true.

Op


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You may or may not have misread my reply. I was serious too and I don't
think many comic book stores consider their products works of science.
Unless we're talking Marvel Comics.


Wasn't really at you, Op, so much as just a convenient place to hit the
reply button!

I did have one of them super big comic books of the bible, though. I can't
remember who made it. I had a Howard the Duck comic of the same size, and
a race between Superman and the Flash (that ended in a tie, IIRC)



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