Secret Weapon Sidearm - thanks for your help, ROFB

Joe Haubenreich wrote:
SPAM snipped

I'd like two fried eggs, over easy, with my SPAM.

Thanks.

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Ken Fortenberry

You still eat that stuff?

Myself... I gotta lay off the fat.


"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
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Joe Haubenreich wrote:
SPAM snipped

I'd like two fried eggs, over easy, with my SPAM.

Thanks.

--
Ken Fortenberry

I defer to others' expertise regarding SPAM. Nobody I know is as finely
attuned to the nuances of SPAM or as dedicated to its eradication (good luck
with that, by the way) as a few of our members are, so could I get someone
to explain to me again exactly constitutes SPAM, please?

Is it only SPAM if I post about a product in which I have some sort of
financial interest?

If I post about another company's product (not SWL) that is sold
commercially, is that SPAM? As a hypothetical example, if I write "Wow, I
really like the Bill Dance Porcupine Fish Attractor! I put out three the day
before Christmas on Percy Priest, and I caught bass off them every day last
week!" Is that SPAM?

If I recommend the commercially-sold product (still not Secret Weapon), is
that SPAM? Hypothetical example: "If you're thinking of putting out some
fish attractors to create a milk run for your tournament season, do yourself
a favor and consider the Bill Dance Porcupine Fish Attractor. They're the
best I've ever seen... easy to assemble and place, lures don't hang up on
them, and they attract fish!"

If I mention the price of that product, or where it can be purchased, is
that SPAM? Example: "You can buy the entire Bill Dance Porcupine Fish
Attractor as a set for $42.05, complete with PVC hub and pipe. Or, you can
do what I did -- buy a bag of three hubs at Bass Pro Shops for $47.05 and
use scrap PVC pipe from a construction site to finish them off."

If I let people know about a way to win that product for free, or let them
know about a great deal on products, is that SPAM? Hypothetical example:
"During the fishing tackle show season, look up the fella who came up with
this idea, and you can get a great discount -- up to 33% off -- at the
shows. He's usually in Memphis, Little Rock, Louisville, and other shows
around the mid-South."

If I have become acquainted with a business owner and I recommend his
product and tell where one can buy it and the selling price, but I have no
vested interest, is that SPAM? Hypothetically: "I met the inventor, Larry
Harper, and he is one of the nicest gentlemen you'll ever meet. Listening to
him describe how he came up with the idea and what he went through to
manufacture was fascinating. I'm looking forward to fishing with him this
spring. He told me he's trying to get the fish attractors in Dick's and
Sportsman's Warehouse this spring, so I'll probably stop by there and pick
up a few more before tournaments start."

Say one of our customers uses and recommends Secret Weapon Lures products
and were to learn that we're offering a certain product to ROFB members at a
50% discount, if he posts that information here, is that SPAM?

Is it SPAM when a business owner gives away product and posts an
announcement here? Hypothetically, if I were to write that anyone who comes
to the Northwoods Classic will receive any Secret Weapon Lures of his choice
absolutely free, would that cross the SPAM line?

Would it be SPAM if a buddy of mine posted about it? Like if Chris Rennert
were to write, "I received one of the new Secret Weapon Sidearm Spinnerbaits
at the Northwoods Classic, and it quickly became one of my favorite baits. I
caught fish on it at that event and every time I've thrown it since then
(hypothetical situation, again). Secret Weapon was making and giving these
away at the NWC, as they do every year."

What if the business owner was selling the product at or below his cost (no
profit on the transaction). Would that be SPAM?

If someone else not a part of Secret Weapon Lures learned about the at-cost
sale somehow and passed the information along here, knowing that there would
be people here who would want to take advantage of the opportunity, would
that be SPAM?

In order not to SPAM the group, would it be ok to create a special page on
our Web site and then refer people to the page in a post on ROFB? What would
we have to write (or not write) in order to keep it from being SPAM? If I
put a line in my signature that reads, "Check our special ROFB-Members Only
offers" and include a link to the Web page, would that be SPAM?

Thanks in advance for the clarification.

Regards,

Joe
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Secret Weapon Lures
http://secretweaponlures.com
"Over $3,000 in ROFB Product/Service Donations Since 2001"
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Joe Haubenreich wrote:
I defer to others' expertise regarding SPAM. Nobody I know is as finely
attuned to the nuances of SPAM or as dedicated to its eradication (good luck
with that, by the way) as a few of our members are, so could I get someone
to explain to me again exactly constitutes SPAM, please?

Give up Joe, these members don't want other members to know anything
"new", they want to talk about all the same "old" lures and techniques.

I guess that's why there are no other manufacturers (or their employees)
who would waste their time dealing with individual news groups (not be a
member), because of the self appointed net cops. These net cops don't
understand a manufacturer could not make enough money from news groups
members to justify his time drafting a single post to the group, much
less answer questions. Your doing what you are, as a service, not for
profit.


No spammer can make "any" money posting to "one" news group at a time,
and taking an active roll in the group, that's why the "real" net cops,
don't call what you did as spam, you have nothing to fear about your
news server pulling your plug for spamming, because you didn't.


--
Rodney Long,
Inventor of the Mojo SpecTastic "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread,
Nutri Shield insect repellent. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, and the EZKnot
http://www.ezknot.com

Rodney Long wrote:
Joe Haubenreich wrote:
I defer to others' expertise regarding SPAM. Nobody I know is as
finely attuned to the nuances of SPAM or as dedicated to its
eradication (good luck with that, by the way) as a few of our members
are, so could I get someone to explain to me again exactly constitutes
SPAM, please?

Give up Joe, these members don't want other members to know anything
"new", they want to talk about all the same "old" lures and techniques.
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That's a bunch of hooey, Rodney. What Usenet readers of non-commercial
Usenet newsgroups want is a newsgroup free of commercials, a newsgroup
where they know the information is honest, personal opinion and not
a bunch of marketing hype.

--
Ken Fortenberry

Ken Fortenberry wrote:

That's a bunch of hooey, Rodney. What Usenet readers of non-commercial
Usenet newsgroups want is a newsgroup free of commercials, a newsgroup
where they know the information is honest, personal opinion and not
a bunch of marketing hype.


Sometimes what "sounds" like hype, is honest personal opinion, or even
better than that, controlled test results.

Regular posters to this group, are members of a family, a few of us, do
make our livings from the "topic" of the group, but we share our
knowledge of our products with our family and friends, on the internet
and off the internet. Personally I have not made 20 dollars from my
royalties from years of posting on a few fishing groups. I'm not posting
here to make money, (just one story in Bassmaster is read by over
2,000,000 fishermen, not just a couple hundred that come here). I just
come here to share what I've discovered to a few friends who also like
to "catch" fish. I also like the feed back from those who have bought my
inventions from tackle stores. Few "companies" actually care.

All of "my" products are actually no longer "mine", they have
manufactures that market and sell them, I was just the inventor of them,
and I'm the "expert" in using them properly. I have many "true"
professional bass fishermen who call/email me, and ask for advice in
using them.

I listen to others here, and try to "invent" other products the
fishermen need, without people like me, and Joe, you all would still be
using a cane pole and a safety pin to fish with. The problem here is all
you guys think all the stuff you now use, was always available. People
make money from every lure, and rod , and reel you buy, it's the way the
world works. Would this group not rather have more people who invent and
develop new lures and rigs for their sport on this group ? Why would you
not want to know about the newest stuff available, have an inside tract,
stay a few months, or a year, ahead of all other fishermen ?

P.S.

I have had "many" stories in Bassmaster on my fishing products, as well
as "all" the other national magazines, it took "me" longer to write this
post, than it did to get any of those stories written, and published.
I'm not here to "push my products", it's not worth the effort, but I do
like to share to those who do want to listen, and learn on this group,
just because I love the sport, and using my products is the only way I
fish, they are the only thing I can give expert advice on. I hold back
on it, because of a few on here, who don't like me talking about 50 bass
or 100 trout days, because they think it's B.S./hype, when actually,
it's a normal day on the water for me, I can't share how I do it here,
because it can't be done on a regular bases, without using my
inventions, and the "way" I use them, and telling "how" here, is called
spam, although I'm not personally "selling" the products.
--
Rodney Long,
Inventor of the Mojo SpecTastic "WIGGLE" rig, SpecTastic Thread,
Nutri Shield insect repellent. ,Stand Out Hooks ,Stand Out Lures,
Mojo's Rock Hopper & Rig Saver weights, and the EZKnot
http://www.ezknot.com

Rodney Long wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
That's a bunch of hooey, Rodney. What Usenet readers of non-commercial
Usenet newsgroups want is a newsgroup free of commercials, a newsgroup
where they know the information is honest, personal opinion and not
a bunch of marketing hype.

Sometimes what "sounds" like hype, is honest personal opinion, or even
better than that, controlled test results.
snip
I'm not here to "push my products", it's not worth the effort, but I do
like to share to those who do want to listen, and learn on this group,
just because I love the sport, and using my products is the only way I
fish, they are the only thing I can give expert advice on. I hold back
on it, because of a few on here, who don't like me talking about 50 bass
or 100 trout days, because they think it's B.S./hype, when actually,
it's a normal day on the water for me, I can't share how I do it here,
because it can't be done on a regular bases, without using my
inventions, and the "way" I use them, and telling "how" here, is called
spam, although I'm not personally "selling" the products.

You're right about one thing, it's not worth the effort to SPAM
rofb. It seems to me that Joe & Company are way better at it than
you ever were, I mean you're something of a pariah here because
of your SPAMming and they're not, but all that aside posting
commercials here is quite simply bad for business and no business
person in their right mind would deliberately harm their business.

--
Ken Fortenberry

Rodney Long wrote in news:VwEmh.134$g_7.98
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I listen to others here, and try to "invent" other products the
fishermen need, without people like me, and Joe, you all would still be
using a cane pole and a safety pin to fish with.

It's amazing just how much ego these electronic "rooms" can hold.

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Scott
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That's your Opinion Ken Dont speak for everyone here JUST speak for
yourself. I am my own man and I'll speak for myself thank you very
much........

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"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
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That's a bunch of hooey, Rodney. What Usenet readers of non-commercial
Usenet newsgroups want is a newsgroup free of commercials, a newsgroup
where they know the information is honest, personal opinion and not
a bunch of marketing hype.

--
Ken Fortenberry

Joe Haubenreich wrote:
I defer to others' expertise regarding SPAM. Nobody I know is as finely
attuned to the nuances of SPAM or as dedicated to its eradication (good luck
with that, by the way) as a few of our members are, so could I get someone
to explain to me again exactly constitutes SPAM, please?
snip

ftp://ftp.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/advertising/how-to/part1

HTH

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Ken Fortenberry