Secret Weapon Sidearm - thanks for your help, ROFB

"johnval1" wrote in newsdPmh.11236$ZT3.5493
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"Scott Seidman" wrote in message:
It's amazing just how much ego these electronic "rooms" can hold.

What's wrong with ego Scott? Have you seen any of the things these
guys
have developed?



Did you read the snippet I quoted?

Nothing is particularly wrong with ego, but I find humility to be a more
attractive characteristic. Herter certainly was proud of his stuff--
probably justifiably-- but that doesn't mean I'd like to be locked up in
a room with him while he's spouting off, either.

There are probably millions of bass fisherman who never heard of this
stuff who will never miss it. Others know about it, like me, and choose
not to buy it. If another fishing product weren't invented for another
century, millions of people would still enjoy fishing--even fishing for
bass.

For what its worth, my rig isn't that far away from a cane pole and
safety pin, and I value my recreational (that's the "rec" in ROFB,
remember?) time on the water at least as much, if not more, than many of
the fishermen here.

He's a big boy. If he wants to shill his stuff in a free forum where
some find it objectionable, let him stop whining when people choose to
express their displeasure. Personally, I don't think he's achieving
anything more than a one-line statement in his signature would, and maybe
less.

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Scott
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"Scott Seidman" wrote in message


Did you read the snippet I quoted?

Yes I did read the snippet you quoted. I have read the entire thread. I
think it is a good conversation.


Nothing is particularly wrong with ego, but I find humility to be a more
attractive characteristic. Herter certainly was proud of his stuff--
probably justifiably-- but that doesn't mean I'd like to be locked up in
a room with him while he's spouting off, either.

I'm gratified we both agree that "ego", as used in this conversation is not
so bad.

There are probably millions of bass fisherman who never heard of this
stuff who will never miss it. Others know about it, like me, and choose
not to buy it. If another fishing product weren't invented for another
century, millions of people would still enjoy fishing--even fishing for
bass.

Great. Don't buy the stuff. Use what you like, how you like, and when and
where you like. Sounds to me as though you are a proper contrarian, which I
believe to be a good thing most of the time. However, ascribing negative
attributes to these folks by denegrating their "ego" is snide and salacious
and generally a crappy way of contributing to a conversation.

For what its worth, my rig isn't that far away from a cane pole and
safety pin, and I value my recreational (that's the "rec" in ROFB,
remember?) time on the water at least as much, if not more, than many of
the fishermen here.


Scott, please dispense with the tutorials. Get off your high horse. Not
all of us are mouth-breathers here.


He's a big boy. If he wants to shill his stuff in a free forum where
some find it objectionable, let him stop whining when people choose to
express their displeasure. Personally, I don't think he's achieving
anything more than a one-line statement in his signature would, and maybe
less.


As far as shilling, Joe has placed a considerable amount of his product in
the hands of the pros on this board for beta testing. I don't recall any
complaints about that activity. He happens to make outstanding products,
stands behind them, and has spent time here with good tips and information
in the past. All aspiring pro should read his monograph on sponsorship and
working partnerships with corporate entities. It is a primer for how to get
a fishing career going in the right direction.

As I said before, if you think he is just a shill, don't pay any attention
to his posts. Don't take advantage of his offers.

Joe Haubendreich has been a fixture in his community & with this group for
an extremely long time. I know Joe as well as most, & there is absolutely no
secret side to anything Joe does. His life is an open book. Furthermore,
anyone who has ever met him will agree with this. For the record, I want to
state for the world to see that anyone who would ever question Joe's ethics
or morals would have to be (stop reading now, Joe... you hate this word) an
ignorant, illiterate asshole!

Fortunately, that does not appear to be what this thread is about or
inferring. This thread is about spamming, & is largely featuring the
opinions of Ken Fortenberry. Ken & I go way back on this group. We would
love to spend a day in his canoe fishing together, & I'm positive that, just
on general principle, each would try to throw the other overboard before the
end of the float. We would then end the day laughing together over a cold
drink somewhere. Ken is a good guy with only two major flaws: He demands
that replies to posts be on shown top (a really stupid waste of time) & he
rigidly defines SPAMMING with his own hopelessly wrong & unusable set of
rules. Intelligent folks show really good sense by just ignoring him on
these points. Otherwise, he's an OK guy in my book.

Bob Rickard
Old Geezer & Really Nice Guy
and angling loving Founder & Director of Secret Weapon Lures
.................................................. .................................................. .....................................

"johnval1" wrote in message
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"Scott Seidman" wrote in message


Did you read the snippet I quoted?

Yes I did read the snippet you quoted. I have read the entire thread. I
think it is a good conversation.


Nothing is particularly wrong with ego, but I find humility to be a more
attractive characteristic. Herter certainly was proud of his stuff--
probably justifiably-- but that doesn't mean I'd like to be locked up in
a room with him while he's spouting off, either.

I'm gratified we both agree that "ego", as used in this conversation is
not so bad.

There are probably millions of bass fisherman who never heard of this
stuff who will never miss it. Others know about it, like me, and choose
not to buy it. If another fishing product weren't invented for another
century, millions of people would still enjoy fishing--even fishing for
bass.

Great. Don't buy the stuff. Use what you like, how you like, and when
and where you like. Sounds to me as though you are a proper contrarian,
which I believe to be a good thing most of the time. However, ascribing
negative attributes to these folks by denegrating their "ego" is snide and
salacious and generally a crappy way of contributing to a conversation.

For what its worth, my rig isn't that far away from a cane pole and
safety pin, and I value my recreational (that's the "rec" in ROFB,
remember?) time on the water at least as much, if not more, than many of
the fishermen here.


Scott, please dispense with the tutorials. Get off your high horse. Not
all of us are mouth-breathers here.


He's a big boy. If he wants to shill his stuff in a free forum where
some find it objectionable, let him stop whining when people choose to
express their displeasure. Personally, I don't think he's achieving
anything more than a one-line statement in his signature would, and maybe
less.


As far as shilling, Joe has placed a considerable amount of his product in
the hands of the pros on this board for beta testing. I don't recall any
complaints about that activity. He happens to make outstanding products,
stands behind them, and has spent time here with good tips and information
in the past. All aspiring pro should read his monograph on sponsorship
and working partnerships with corporate entities. It is a primer for how
to get a fishing career going in the right direction.

As I said before, if you think he is just a shill, don't pay any attention
to his posts. Don't take advantage of his offers.

No truer words have ever been posted here... How many more people here will
agree? Come on, let's have a show of hands. Also state if you've ever met
this guy in person, because if you haven't, you're missing out.

"Bob Rickard" wrote in message
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For the record, I want to
state for the world to see that anyone who would ever question Joe's
ethics
or morals would have to be (stop reading now, Joe... you hate this word)
an
ignorant, illiterate asshole!

I stand with Charles and Bob beside Joe. I've never met Joe, but we've
swapped a few emails and I've been reading his posts for years. Joe is
a stand-up guy I would be proud to share a boat with or live next door
to.

Usenet spam isn't just advertisements, it is unwanted posts, whether
the poster is selling anything or not. I've never read a post of Joe's
that I wished I hadn't. On of the greatest things usenet has over
web-based forums is the ability to killfile someone. If you don't like
what Joe has to say, put him in the killfile. What's that you say? You
dont want to killfile him because he contributes some great posts? Then
shut up about his posts being spam! At least he doesn't change his
email every few months to get out of everybody's killfile, like some
others do. He never comes off condescending or outright rude like some
others here, either. He made a friendly offer to all of us because MANY
of us right here love the Secret Weapon Lures products, and I, for one,
am glad that he makes these offers.
Thanks Joe!

On Jan 4, 10:24 am, "Charles Summers" wrote:
No truer words have ever been posted here... How many more people here will
agree? Come on, let's have a show of hands. Also state if you've ever met
this guy in person, because if you haven't, you're missing out.

"Bob Rickard" wrote in messagenews
For the record, I want to
state for the world to see that anyone who would ever question Joe's
ethics
or morals would have to be (stop reading now, Joe... you hate this word)
an
ignorant, illiterate asshole!

"Charles Summers" wrote in message
news
No truer words have ever been posted here... How many more people here
will
agree? Come on, let's have a show of hands. Also state if you've ever met
this guy in person, because if you haven't, you're missing out.

I've known Joe for a number of years now and am proud to call him friend.
Of course that also goes for a number of people on this group that I've
gotten to know attending the various Classics.

That includes the "infamous" Bob Rickard and even you Charles! :-)
--
Steve @ OutdoorFrontiers
http://www.outdoorfrontiers.com
G & S Guide Service and Custom Rods
http://www.herefishyfishy.com

"johnval1" wrote in
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As I said before, if you think he is just a shill, don't pay any
attention to his posts.


And, if you think I have no platform from which to justifiably complain
about what I see is a misuse of a usenet group, then pay no attention to my
posts--or can't you detect a little bit of circularity in telling me to
ignore someone's post when you can't ignore mine?


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Scott
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"Scott Seidman" wrote in message
And, if you think I have no platform from which to justifiably complain
about what I see is a misuse of a usenet group, then pay no attention to
my
posts--or can't you detect a little bit of circularity in telling me to
ignore someone's post when you can't ignore mine?

I do not see Joe's post as a misuse of usernet. Sorry that you do.

I guess this answers the eternal musical question of whether the circle will
be unbroken! As Ronald Reagan said to Jimmy Carter, "There you go again!"
Another tutorial. The difference here is you and I have engaged in somewhat
of a direct exhange of disagreement, especially about "ego" and not usernet
misuse, as opposed to Joe's broadcast offer and subsequent generalized
response to Ken.

On one matter, I will gladly agree with you Scott. No doubt our
conversation has become tedious to many, so we should ignore one another
from this point forward.

"johnval1" wrote in news:EJVmh.14520$Gw4.2437
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I do not see Joe's post as a misuse of usernet. Sorry that you do.

It's "usenet", not "usernet", but that would be another tutorial. Far be
it from me to tell you what usernet protocol is. Obviously, you've been
around long enough to know all the fairly widespread conventions, why
they exist, and even the name of the medium you're communicating in.
Maybe you've even been around long enough to see a few perfectly good
usernet groups killed by spammers.

It wasn't so much the spam for me. Someone posted a question as to
whether people here thought one of his post was spam, and I answered yes,
without comment, as none was needed. Push comes to shove, I couldn't
really care less whether he's hawking his stuff.

It was the silly post dripping with self importance from Rodney that got
the well-deserved reply. I don't care what kind of a guy he is. He made
a stupid post that made him sound arrogent as hell, and I called him on
it. I would call my best friend out for the same thing. Of course,
you'd have us ignore centuries of Greek tragedy and half of Shakespeare's
plays, and assert that there's nothing wrong with too much pride in
oneself.

Again, Rodney is a big boy, and certainly doesn't need you to defend him.
It looks kind of odd, frankly.


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Scott
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"Scott Seidman" wrote in message:

From conventions to Shakespeare, to the self-anointed post of the
Calling-Out-Czar. Thank you for keeping us on the straight and narrow
Scott. Our lives has been so very barren 'till now...

More importantly, just tied on new Yo-Zuri Hybrid 8 lb line onto my go-to
spinning reel. Do you or anyone else recommend a Palomar knot with this
stuff, or should I stick with a Trilene knot?

My disclaimer is that I have absolutely no commercial interest in Yo-Zuri,
its subsidiaries, affiliates, nor alliances. I have not accepted any form
of compensation nor remuneration for the mention of this commercial product
in this or any other venue. My question is prompted solely by my desire to
keep a damned fish from busting a knot loose.