Fishing is Cold-Hearted!

quietguy wrote:
There is an easy test - just stick one of the hooks you use through your
upper lip and give it a good strong pull - if it hurts you it hurts the
fish


Total B.S.

I stick A hook in your lip, and pull, you follow, because if you don't
it hurts MORE

Put one in a fish and pull, he pulls the other way as hard as he can,
because it "does not hurt", he instead feels just trapped, most fish
don't even bleed when hooked in the lip. If fish felt pain, fishing
would not be even fun, they would just swim right up to you, instead of
fighting, (yet you claim this latter kills them, total PETA B.S., not
from any real data.)

Of course they have actually hooked fish up with electronic sensors ,
and proved they lack the part of the brain that senses pain.

I have seen sharks , get "mortally" bitten in a feeding frenzy, and they
two continue to feed until the die, not showing any signs of being bitten.

All this is PETA propaganda, that fish feel pain,, but you know what,
even if they did, I don't CARE, one way, or another, if they would still
fight against the hook, and line, of course they wouldn't, I just hate
people LYING to get their point across.

A baited hook is a very successful means of capturing mammals, yet there
is no one, anywhere, that does that for sport, ever thought of why ?
Sure today, there are laws against it, even for catching "food", but
back when there were no such laws, there is no record of people doing it
for "sport". because there is no "sport" to it. Some did use it, to feed
their families.

Why do you never hear PETA raise all HELL, about the pain caused when a
mountain lion kills a jogger ? Or a shark attacks a swimmer ?, or when
an animal inflicts pain on another animal ? WE "all" know why they don't :-)

If I invented a fish hook that injected Novocain as it stuck the fish,,
do you think PETA would then say fishing with it, would be A OK ?

ASK PETA leaders, hell I could invent it in about 10 min. It would make
me millions as an "approved" PETA fish hook, tell them I'll give them
10% of the profits.

ROTFLMAO

David - who has no probs about fishing for a feed,

What? You you say it's OK to inflict pain, just so people can "enjoy"
fish, and chips ????????????????

WHAT a Moron, the pleasure of eating something, is more pleasure that
catching something, so then the "pain is OK" ? Well nothing to fear,
there was no pain , even in the fish you eat, so you can eat that fish
without guilt .


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quietguy writes:

There is an easy test - just stick one of the hooks you use through your
upper lip and give it a good strong pull - if it hurts you it hurts the
fish

Assuming the mammalian nervous system is the same as the piscine.
--
Joseph J. Pfeiffer, Jr., Ph.D. Phone -- (505) 646-1605
Department of Computer Science FAX -- (505) 646-1002
New Mexico State University http://www.cs.nmsu.edu/~pfeiffer

quietguy wrote:
There is an easy test - just stick one of the hooks you use through your
upper lip and give it a good strong pull - if it hurts you it hurts the
fish

David - who has no probs about fishing for a feed, but has no time for
those who think sticking sharp hooks into some poor creature is 'fun'

wrote:

fishing is not crule!!!!!!! i have fished for 10 years and i have never
kill a fish, fishing is not crule if you use barbless hooks and un
hooking mats.

This is typical of those who learned everything they know about animal
life from Walt Disney.

The mouth of most fish is all, or mostly, bone. That's because many of
the fish they eat to survive have fins with sharp spines on the end.
Those fish that have fleshy mouths have very tough mouths as well. I've
been shark fishing many times, seen sharks hooked, fought to the boat,
released, only to see the same fish swim over to the next bait and hook
themselves again. Bluefish will do the same. Remember, we're talking
about fish here, not characters from "Finding Nemo" (sorry, but that is
"make beleave", so is the Easter Bunny, someone had to break the news
to you). Most fish are not very smart, and their memory isn't very
long. So all that pain and suffering you think they feel is very
quickly forgotten, if it was ever there in the first place. No need for
months of therapy here.

You should watch fish feed in the wild sometime (not covered in Finding
Nemo or by Walt Disney), their quite barbaric, to say the least. I'm
afraid their not the cuddly peaceful creatures you thought they were.
In fact, when they grow large enough, just jump in the water with them,
and you to might become part of the food chain.

On Thu, 11 Jan 2007 12:06:06 +0000, Derek Moody
wrote:

In article .com, Radium
wrote:
Fishing is a very cruel sport that slowly and painfully kills the fish.
The fish dies in the water before it is brought out to air. Thats
right, it is not an easy bloodless death by suffocation, but rather a
brutal, blood-spurting death caused by shock, profuse bleeding, and
excruciating pain. The sharp objects on the fish-hook kill the fish by
causing severe pain, hemmorhaging, and shock. This is very cruel and
sadistic.

Suffocation is not what kills the fish. Its the sharp stuff on the hook
that slowly, painfully, yet surely kills the poor fish

Bully boy sport, if you can call it a sport, looking like a garden
gnome!

Research before you rant.

X-posting trolls is a very cruel sport that slowly and painfully kills
usenet. Reasoned debate dies in the thread before the issues are brought to
light.

Free speech, something you and your bully boy friends try hard to
suppress.
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On Fri, 12 Jan 2007 01:38:19 +0000, Derek Moody
wrote:

In article om, Radium
wrote:

Radium, we know your reputation in the sci groups but we don't seem to have
seen you before in these anti-sport and anti-animal-husbandry x-posts.
Please be aware that our own low life trolls have already done these topics
to death and, mirabilu dictu, they are better informed than you.

JT wrote:

That's why I make sure my hooks are extra sharp...

I lay a curse on you!

In your next incarnation, you'll be a fish who suffers the hellish fate
of being fished.

As those sharp knife-life barbs of the fish hooks slash through the
gums and roof of your mouth. You'll find yourself in excruciating
agony. After this, you'll be spurring blood out of those nasty cuts in
your palate and gums. You'll suffer this slow painful death.

Google for previous corrections to these misconceptions. You are right in
one tiny aspect - Yes, fishing -is- cruel -

Yet you persist. Hurting children is cruel, yet you persist. Hurting
wildlife is cruel, yet you persist. That's extremism for you.
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The research on the survivability of fish that have been caught and released
simply does not support this claim. Most of those fish survive. Many of the
deeply hooked fish even survive because the strong acid in the digestive
system dissolves the hook. Today, all of the fishermen that I know release
most of the fish that they catch. The fish are not harmed. Since most fish
are lip hooked, there is usually no loss of blood. The statements made below
by "Radium" are refuted by the current research and are simply not true!

Have a Great Day!

Fishinprof


"Radium" wrote in message
oups.com...
Fishing is a very cruel sport that slowly and painfully kills the fish.
The fish dies in the water before it is brought out to air. Thats
right, it is not an easy bloodless death by suffocation, but rather a
brutal, blood-spurting death caused by shock, profuse bleeding, and
excruciating pain. The sharp objects on the fish-hook kill the fish by
causing severe pain, hemmorhaging, and shock. This is very cruel and
sadistic.

Suffocation is not what kills the fish. Its the sharp stuff on the hook
that slowly, painfully, yet surely kills the poor fish

Stop fishing!!!!

Shooting a deer is not nearly as sadistic as fishing.

Those who fish are commiting a grave sin and will burn in hell after
their deaths. Karma is a bitch!

On Apr 7, 7:13 pm, "Nick" wrote:
Since most fish
are lip hooked, there is usually no loss of blood.

Okay, but extremely painful tears occur on the fish's lip. The fish
may not die but it sure will suffer extreme agony while victimized by
the sadistic sport of fishing.

In article .com,
Radium writes
On Apr 7, 7:13 pm, "Nick" wrote:
Since most fish
are lip hooked, there is usually no loss of blood.

Okay, but extremely painful tears occur on the fish's lip. The fish
may not die but it sure will suffer extreme agony while victimized by
the sadistic sport of fishing.


It is also a fact that many fish once released ,and swim away, may well
die soon after.
--
Bill Grey

On Apr 10, 2:52 pm, "W. D. Grey" wrote:

It is also a fact that many fish once released ,and swim away, may well
die soon after.

Exactly.

On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 22:52:12 +0100, "W. D. Grey"
wrote:

In article .com,
Radium writes
On Apr 7, 7:13 pm, "Nick" wrote:
Since most fish
are lip hooked, there is usually no loss of blood.

Okay, but extremely painful tears occur on the fish's lip. The fish
may not die but it sure will suffer extreme agony while victimized by
the sadistic sport of fishing.


It is also a fact that many fish once released ,and swim away, may well
die soon after.


Whose fact is it that"...many fish once released ,and swim away, may
well die soon"? Do have some remotely scientific data to support your
wild-eyed claim or do you have a dedicated group of observers who
report to you on a regular schedule?