the OSCARS!

On Mar 1, 2:05 pm, "Opus" wrote:
" wrote in message

FWIW, I have no real feelings pro/con about Gore...the hypocrisy
is funny nonetheless.
- Ken

You're bordering on obsession, what with two exact posts :~^ )

You do it again, and folks may et the impression that you are trying to
start a movement!

I made fun of him for inventing the internet back in the 90's, so
I guess it might be 3 posts now.....wait does this post count
too? DAMN!
- Ken

On 1 Mar 2007 16:59:36 -0800, "
wrote:

On Mar 1, 2:05 pm, "Opus" wrote:
" wrote in message

FWIW, I have no real feelings pro/con about Gore...the hypocrisy
is funny nonetheless.
- Ken

You're bordering on obsession, what with two exact posts :~^ )

You do it again, and folks may et the impression that you are trying to
start a movement!

I made fun of him for inventing the internet back in the 90's, so
I guess it might be 3 posts now.....wait does this post count
too? DAMN!
- Ken

Only if you retain that stupid attitude about Gore and the 'Net, which
has been disproven so many times. You know that all he claimed was
aiding in the legislation and funding for it, not inventing it, as it
had already been invented. He never claimed to do more than smooth
the way forward.
--

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Minnow goddess, Speaker to squirrels, willow watcher.
Almost entirely harmless. Really.

http://www.visi.com/~cyli

On Mar 3, 9:03 pm, Cyli wrote:
Only if you retain that stupid attitude about Gore and the 'Net, which
has been disproven so many times. You know that all he claimed was
aiding in the legislation and funding for it, not inventing it, as it
had already been invented. He never claimed to do more than smooth
the way forward.

I can only assume by "disproven", you mean that someone told
you that he didn't say it? You really shouldn't take people's
word for things if you are going to call others stupid.

Fortunately transcripts of all the dumb things people say on
CNN get kept forever and ever.

Lest you accuse me of quoting him out of context, here's the
entire transcript:
http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stori...anscript.gore/

And the relevant statements:

BLITZER: Why should Democrats, looking at the Democratic nomination
process,
support you instead of Bill Bradley, a friend of yours, a former
colleague in the
Senate? What do you have to bring to this that he doesn't necessarily
bring to
this process?

GO Well, I will be offering -- I'll be offering my vision when my
campaign
begins. And it will be comprehensive and sweeping. And I hope that it
will be
compelling enough to draw people toward it. I feel that it will be.

But it will emerge from my dialogue with the American people. I've
traveled to
every part of this country during the last six years. During my
service in the
United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the
Internet. I took
the initiative in moving forward a whole range of initiatives that
have proven
to be important to our country's economic growth and environmental
protection, improvements in our educational system.

Best Wishes,
- Ken

" wrote in message
"During my service in the
United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the
Internet.

Yep, it was those words that stirred up the right-wing **** storm. Those
words, however, are generally accepted by those in the industry and relevent
political arena as being essentially valid. Most promienently, by Vinton
Cerf and Robert Kahn, who personally bebunked the "I invented the Internet"
baloney. Their statement, in part, reads,

"No one person or even small group of persons exclusively "invented" the
Internet. It is the result of many years of ongoing collaboration among
people in government and the university community. But as the two people
who designed the basic architecture and the core protocols that make the
Internet work, we would like to acknowledge VP Gore's contributions as a
Congressman, Senator and as Vice President. No other elected official, to
our knowledge, has made a greater contribution over a longer period of
time."

"Last year the Vice President made a straightforward statement on his
role. He said: "During my service in the United States Congress I took the
initiative in creating the Internet." We don't think, as some people have
argued, that Gore intended to claim he "invented" the Internet. Moreover,
there is no question in our minds that while serving as Senator, Gore's
initiatives had a significant and beneficial effect on the still-evolving
Internet. The fact of the matter is that Gore was talking about and
promoting the Internet long before most people were listening."

Their entire statement can be viewed at http://tinyurl.com/28h23. Of
course, you are free to discount the opinions of Cerf & Kahn. I mean, what
the hell do they know, eh?

Then there's that persky Lifetime Achievement Award from the International
Academy of Digital Artsa and Sciences given for his "three deacdes of
contributions to the internet."

But screw all that, let's accept the ridicule of a misquoted T-shirt slogan
as the actual facts, that'll be a lot simpler.

Joe F.

rb608 typed:
" wrote in message
"During my service in the
United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the
Internet.

Yep, it was those words that stirred up the right-wing **** storm.

That seems to be what it's all about for both sides on the extremes.
There is no thought given as to the intent of the message, but just the
exact words - and parsing them endlessly. Not that this would ever
happen on ROFF. ;-)
--
TL,
Tim
---------------------------
http://css.sbcma.com/timj/

"Tim J." wrote in message
That seems to be what it's all about for both sides on the extremes. There
is no thought given as to the intent of the message, but just the exact
words - and parsing them endlessly. Not that this would ever happen on
ROFF. ;-)

No, never on ROFF. g But yeah, I agree with that as an assessment of the
spin machines of both the right & left. Sometimes, one unguarded slip of
the tongue is a view into hidden, personal, and ugly attitudes (e.g. Allen's
"macaca" gaffe); and sometimes its just a benign and poorly worded
off-the-cuff statement of an actual truth.

In the present discussion, the facts are clear (IMHO) that Gore's statement
was both reasonable and misquoted. Anybody with a search engine could
easily verify that; but we search for and find what we want to see, not for
facts that disagree with staunchly held opinions. And though I'm citing the
present discussion, I do not excuse myself or anybody else from that
accusation.

Joe F.

rb608 wrote:
In the present discussion, the facts are clear (IMHO) that Gore's statement
was both reasonable and misquoted.

Huh? Gore's statement was grandiose self-serving BS. He no more
created
the internet than you did. By misquoted I can only guess you are
trying to slip out by my use of the word "invented". If it somehow
makes you feel better....

"During my service in the United States Congress, I took the
initiative in
creating the Internet. "

HA HA HA HA, Al Gore claimed that he created the internet. What
a maroon.
- Ken

rb608 wrote:
" wrote in message
"During my service in the
United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the
Internet.

Yep, it was those words that stirred up the right-wing **** storm. Those
words, however, are generally accepted by those in the industry and relevent
political arena as being essentially valid.

Wrong. Only a couple of his closest cronies have accepted it. Their
slanted remarks follow:


Most promienently, by Vinton
Cerf and Robert Kahn, who personally bebunked the "I invented the Internet"
baloney. Their statement, in part, reads,

"No one person or even small group of persons exclusively "invented" the
Internet. It is the result of many years of ongoing collaboration among
people in government and the university community. But as the two people
who designed the basic architecture and the core protocols that make the
Internet work, we would like to acknowledge VP Gore's contributions as a
Congressman, Senator and as Vice President. No other elected official, to
our knowledge, has made a greater contribution over a longer period of
time."

"Last year the Vice President made a straightforward statement on his
role. He said: "During my service in the United States Congress I took the
initiative in creating the Internet." We don't think, as some people have
argued, that Gore intended to claim he "invented" the Internet. Moreover,
there is no question in our minds that while serving as Senator, Gore's
initiatives had a significant and beneficial effect on the still-evolving
Internet. The fact of the matter is that Gore was talking about and
promoting the Internet long before most people were listening."



Yeah, they attenpted to spin the statement. But Gore still thinks that
he was responsible for creating something that not only existed, but was
running on a fast track regardless of ANYTHING he did.


Their entire statement can be viewed at http://tinyurl.com/28h23. Of
course, you are free to discount the opinions of Cerf & Kahn. I mean, what
the hell do they know, eh?

Then there's that persky Lifetime Achievement Award from the International
Academy of Digital Artsa and Sciences given for his "three deacdes of
contributions to the internet."

His award was to bring attention to the organization.


But screw all that, let's accept the ridicule of a misquoted T-shirt slogan
as the actual facts, that'll be a lot simpler.

Joe F.

No misquotes about it. Just spin.

"Cal Vanize" wrote in message
bunch o' delusional stuff snipped
No misquotes about it. Just spin.

I ordinarily eschew responses to the cowardly anonymous, but I appreciate
your providing a strong data point to both Tim's & my hypotheses. :-)

Joe F.

On Mar 4, 6:01 am, "rb608" wrote:
" wrote in message
"During my service in the
United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the
Internet.

Yep, it was those words that stirred up the right-wing **** storm.

There you go with that partisan crap again.

Those
words, however, are generally accepted by those in the industry and relevent
political arena as being essentially valid.

I won't speak for any "political arena"....I'm sure making inflated
claims
about what you have done is perfectly acceptable in political circles.

As far as "in the industry" that's complete hogwash. Cerf and Kahn
would have caught crap by industry people if they had claimed to
have created the internet.....and they contributed far more than
Al Gore ever did.

Most defense of Gore tries to rely on word spinning. That somehow
"creating the internet" is better than "inventing the internet."
I'll stick to the actual word he used if that makes you feel better.
(I'll admit my bias, as a hardware person, creating ~= inventing)

I design microprocessors for a living. If I went around saying that I
created microprocessor xyz, even though I might have had a huge
part in it's design, I would rightfully catch crap from the several
thousand other people who created that microprocessor. If it was
created before I even got there someone might even say that I
was full of it.

"During my service in the United States Congress, I took the
initiative in creating the Internet."

Yes, I'm a technical person and maybe politicians or other
simpletons can't see through unadulterated BS, but that
statement no matter how you try to justify it is BS......
.....and it's got nothing to do with right vs left vs middle.
- Ken