the OSCARS!

On 3 Mar 2007 22:33:24 -0800, "
wrote:

On Mar 3, 9:03 pm, Cyli wrote:
Only if you retain that stupid attitude about Gore and the 'Net, which
has been disproven so many times. You know that all he claimed was
aiding in the legislation and funding for it, not inventing it, as it
had already been invented. He never claimed to do more than smooth
the way forward.

I can only assume by "disproven", you mean that someone told
you that he didn't say it? You really shouldn't take people's
word for things if you are going to call others stupid.

Fortunately transcripts of all the dumb things people say on
CNN get kept forever and ever.

Lest you accuse me of quoting him out of context, here's the
entire transcript:
http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stori...anscript.gore/

And the relevant statements:

BLITZER: Why should Democrats, looking at the Democratic nomination
process,
support you instead of Bill Bradley, a friend of yours, a former
colleague in the
Senate? What do you have to bring to this that he doesn't necessarily
bring to
this process?

GO Well, I will be offering -- I'll be offering my vision when my
campaign
begins. And it will be comprehensive and sweeping. And I hope that it
will be
compelling enough to draw people toward it. I feel that it will be.

But it will emerge from my dialogue with the American people. I've
traveled to
every part of this country during the last six years. During my
service in the
United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the
Internet. I took
the initiative in moving forward a whole range of initiatives that
have proven
to be important to our country's economic growth and environmental
protection, improvements in our educational system.

Best Wishes,
- Ken

Well, I do quibble over the 'invented', but 'created' does come close
enough to label him as someone careless with taking credit for a work
accomplished by a lot of people, when he should have shared the
credit.

However, the Internet as it was when he made that statement had been
greatly changed from the days before he pushed for the legislation. If
you had used it back in the 80s, you'd know that the difference was
astounding. It was a difficult to use toy for techies back in the
day, with not much to offer, say an ordinary housewife, other than a
game of D & D with people of other countries and some sorts of
official government blah blah, which you could get as easily and
probably as quickly (except in the middle of the night) by calling and
asking that the info be mailed to you or given you verbally.

Not to say that I like Gore a lot. I didn't like or approve of him
enough to vote for him (nor did I vote for Bush. Probably Libertarian
party that year.), but I hate to see him put down for the careless use
of phrasing that was then changed by those claiming to quote him and a
greed that didn't make sure to share a lot of credit.

I looked down the thread a ways and there's a lot of interesting stuff
posted there. Time to run through it and see what's new.

BTW, whose word did you take when you said 'invented'?
--

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Almost entirely harmless. Really.

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On Mar 5, 11:22 pm, Cyli wrote:
On 3 Mar 2007 22:33:24 -0800, "
wrote:
During my
service in the
United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the
Internet.


Well, I do quibble over the 'invented', but 'created' does come close
enough to label him as someone careless with taking credit for a work
accomplished by a lot of people, when he should have shared the
credit.

Like I said, I'm an engineer, I read invented and created as nearly
the
same.

However, the Internet as it was when he made that statement had been
greatly changed from the days before he pushed for the legislation. If
you had used it back in the 80s, you'd know that the difference was
astounding.

I am "somwhat" familiar with computing from ~1980 onwards. :-)

Not to say that I like Gore a lot. I didn't like or approve of him
enough to vote for him (nor did I vote for Bush. Probably Libertarian
party that year.), but I hate to see him put down for the careless use
of phrasing that was then changed by those claiming to quote him and a
greed that didn't make sure to share a lot of credit.

I'm pretty much ambivalent on Gore as a politician. I probably
voted for the same person you did in 2000. He is quite the
blowhard.

On this quote, it's probably a techie thing. To a technical person
it's blatantly obvious that Gore did almost nothing to create the
internet. It's not a matter of him not sharing the credit, it's that
he's taking credit for something he had nothing to do with.
It'd be like me taking credit for landing a man on the moon.

Maybe a bit of a history lesson here. I'd suggest the
Computer History museum's "Internet History" page:

http://www.computerhistory.org/exhib...ernet_history/

For those who want to skip ahead, it ends with
"1990 ARPANET formally shuts down. In twenty years,
'the net' has grown from 4 to over 300,000 hosts. "

"By 1992, when this timeline ends,
* the Internet has one million hosts
* the ARPANET has ceased to exist
"

Gore's bill "creating the internet" was passed in December
1991.

BTW, whose word did you take when you said 'invented'?

I didn't take anyone's word for it. I heard about it, couldn't
believe
that even a politician would be that stupid, looked up the transcripts
and read them myself. Confirmed that apparently he is that
stupid.
- Ken

On Mar 6, 12:22 pm, " wrote:
To a technical person
it's blatantly obvious that Gore did almost nothing to create the
internet. It's not a matter of him not sharing the credit, it's that
he's taking credit for something he had nothing to do with.

As a technical person myself (that's right, I'm an engineer too); one
thing blatantly obvious to me is that I'm wasting my time discussing
this with someone who believes the above to be true.

It's been fun; but EOT for me,
Joe F.

"rb608" wrote in message
oups.com...

It's been fun; but EOT for me,

Too bad. It's always a riot to watch kennie tweaking somebody.

Wolfgang
well, that's the way it is for us chronic victims of bullying......sometimes
it's nice to see someone else get it.

During my
service in the
United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the
Internet.

I remember sometime back in 1991 when Physicist Paul Kunz called me into his
office and wanted me to take a picture of his what was on his monitor. He
called it; "www" and told me this will be one of the major break-throughs
for researching with a
computer. I photographed a lot of screen photos here at
the Stanford Linear Accelerator Center. Paul also hinted to me that I should
start thinking of attaching my name to a few www domains like ATT.com or
IBM.com., sky was the limit back then, heck I thought he was just another
mad physicist off his rocker.
Here's a link to the article:
http://www.slac.stanford.edu/history.../history.shtml

Of course Paul has now made his + millions.
I also just emailed publications to see if they could dig
up that picture I took of Dr. Kunz. with his monitor back in '91.
fwiw,
-tom