Ground-up tires?

There are a fair amount of knowledgeable (and, well, imaginative) folks
here, and I'm looking for help.

A tire recycler in Gulfport. MS got Katrina'ed, and there are tires out
the wazoo (that's a whole bunch of tires) on his property. Long story
short is that there are tires, a problem with them, and I figured good
ol' ROFF is as good a place as any to ask if anyone has any ideas,
contacts, wants to Google beyond what we've done, or ???

And for the record, I have no interest in the problem directly beyond
that as a concerned citizen. And to go even further, if someone knows
something that results in money being made, and I somehow wind up being
able to direct any of it, it goes to charity.

Thanks in advance, and all ideas welcome,
R

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There are a fair amount of knowledgeable (and, well, imaginative) folks
here, and I'm looking for help.

A tire recycler in Gulfport. MS got Katrina'ed, and there are tires out
the wazoo (that's a whole bunch of tires) on his property. Long story
short is that there are tires, a problem with them, and I figured good
ol' ROFF is as good a place as any to ask if anyone has any ideas,
contacts, wants to Google beyond what we've done, or ???

And for the record, I have no interest in the problem directly beyond
that as a concerned citizen. And to go even further, if someone knows
something that results in money being made, and I somehow wind up being
able to direct any of it, it goes to charity.

Thanks in advance, and all ideas welcome,
R

Since it is near a port, may be economically feasible to ship them to a
recyling facility somewhere else. Look at cogeneration power plants and
roadway surface manufacturers.

On Mar 14, 12:16 pm, wrote:
There are a fair amount of knowledgeable (and, well, imaginative) folks
here, and I'm looking for help.

A tire recycler in Gulfport. MS got Katrina'ed, and there are tires out
the wazoo (that's a whole bunch of tires) on his property. Long story
short is that there are tires, a problem with them, and I figured good
ol' ROFF is as good a place as any to ask if anyone has any ideas,
contacts, wants to Google beyond what we've done, or ???

And for the record, I have no interest in the problem directly beyond
that as a concerned citizen. And to go even further, if someone knows
something that results in money being made, and I somehow wind up being
able to direct any of it, it goes to charity.

Thanks in advance, and all ideas welcome,
R

Google 'Crumb rubber' to find all sorts of businesses that consume
ground up tires.

--riverman

On 14 Mar 2007 00:45:18 -0700, "riverman" wrote:

On Mar 14, 12:16 pm, wrote:
There are a fair amount of knowledgeable (and, well, imaginative) folks
here, and I'm looking for help.

A tire recycler in Gulfport. MS got Katrina'ed, and there are tires out
the wazoo (that's a whole bunch of tires) on his property. Long story
short is that there are tires, a problem with them, and I figured good
ol' ROFF is as good a place as any to ask if anyone has any ideas,
contacts, wants to Google beyond what we've done, or ???

And for the record, I have no interest in the problem directly beyond
that as a concerned citizen. And to go even further, if someone knows
something that results in money being made, and I somehow wind up being
able to direct any of it, it goes to charity.

Thanks in advance, and all ideas welcome,
R

Google 'Crumb rubber' to find all sorts of businesses that consume
ground up tires.

Thanks, but oops...maybe I should be more specific, or at least as
specific as the information I have.

The "common" uses are known - this was a tire recycling facility. What
happened, generally and as I understand it, is that the equipment was
Katrina'ed, but the tires weren't. The owner apparently thought
insurance would replace/repair the equipment, and on that basis, he kept
accepting tires after the storm (there were tires everywhere, plus cars
being wrecked out). When the pile got too high, the city shut him down
and yanked his recycling permit. There are now some 400-500,000 tires
at the site, his insurance company has not ponied up, and it's become a
local issue. Apparently, there's no effective way to move them to
another (distant) area, and given the on-coming fire and mosquito
seasons, it's an obvious concern. There was a company that had talked
about coming in, but apparently, that fell apart.

TC,
R



--riverman

On Mar 14, 12:16 am, wrote:

Thanks in advance, and all ideas welcome,

I was going to suggest an idea that I recalled reading about- sinking
tires to create reefs-, but a quick check of the news suggests it
isn't such a great idea:

http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/02/18/news/tires.php

There are some green builders who use recycled tires for wall
building, but I think it is a pretty small niche, even for green
building.

Maybe they could be used for levee construction?
http://orion.csuchico.edu/Pages/vol4...7.recycle.html

Hmmm... http://www.deantires.com/ You SURE you have no interest?
Maybe they could be turned into sausages? Or milk? "Oh, Mr. Johnny
Verbeck how could you be so mean..."

:-)

Hope the problem gets solved.

Bill

I've not googled this, so take it FWIW.

I know there is a movement to use old tires in the production of
concrete, they burn them and turn them into something called fly ash,
which is used in the manufacuring of concrete. I'm not sure how the
process works exactly in fact the tires might not turn into fly ash,
but may just be used as fuel?

Secondly there are companies who turn tires in rubber flooring.

On Mar 14, 10:04 pm, wrote:
On 14 Mar 2007 00:45:18 -0700, "riverman" wrote:





On Mar 14, 12:16 pm, wrote:
There are a fair amount of knowledgeable (and, well, imaginative) folks
here, and I'm looking for help.

A tire recycler in Gulfport. MS got Katrina'ed, and there are tires out
the wazoo (that's a whole bunch of tires) on his property. Long story
short is that there are tires, a problem with them, and I figured good
ol' ROFF is as good a place as any to ask if anyone has any ideas,
contacts, wants to Google beyond what we've done, or ???

And for the record, I have no interest in the problem directly beyond
that as a concerned citizen. And to go even further, if someone knows
something that results in money being made, and I somehow wind up being
able to direct any of it, it goes to charity.

Thanks in advance, and all ideas welcome,
R

Google 'Crumb rubber' to find all sorts of businesses that consume
ground up tires.

Thanks, but oops...maybe I should be more specific, or at least as
specific as the information I have.

The "common" uses are known - this was a tire recycling facility. What
happened, generally and as I understand it, is that the equipment was
Katrina'ed, but the tires weren't. The owner apparently thought
insurance would replace/repair the equipment, and on that basis, he kept
accepting tires after the storm (there were tires everywhere, plus cars
being wrecked out). When the pile got too high, the city shut him down
and yanked his recycling permit. There are now some 400-500,000 tires
at the site, his insurance company has not ponied up, and it's become a
local issue. Apparently, there's no effective way to move them to
another (distant) area, and given the on-coming fire and mosquito
seasons, it's an obvious concern. There was a company that had talked
about coming in, but apparently, that fell apart.

TC,
R


Ahh, got it. You're really looking to see if anyone knows of any
recyclers who are interested in obtaining a mountain of used tires.
Hmm....that might be a challenge. Like you said, transporting them
cost-effectively would be the problem.

Considering that much is getting rebuilt there and (I assume) little
is being currently exported, possibly something could be negotiated
with a shipping company that brings things in to bring out some tires
in each ship as ballast or something. Or as a freebie to fill an empty
hold.

OTOH, I bet FEMA could build some dikes out of them. Or if some
inventive soul could come up with an effective way to build dikes out
of used tires, they'd make a fortune.

--riverman

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On 14 Mar 2007 00:45:18 -0700, "riverman" wrote:

On Mar 14, 12:16 pm, wrote:
There are a fair amount of knowledgeable (and, well, imaginative)
folks here, and I'm looking for help.

A tire recycler in Gulfport. MS got Katrina'ed, and there are tires
out the wazoo (that's a whole bunch of tires) on his property.
Long story short is that there are tires, a problem with them, and
I figured good ol' ROFF is as good a place as any to ask if anyone
has any ideas, contacts, wants to Google beyond what we've done, or
???

And for the record, I have no interest in the problem directly
beyond that as a concerned citizen. And to go even further, if
someone knows something that results in money being made, and I
somehow wind up being able to direct any of it, it goes to charity.

Thanks in advance, and all ideas welcome,
R

Google 'Crumb rubber' to find all sorts of businesses that consume
ground up tires.

Thanks, but oops...maybe I should be more specific, or at least as
specific as the information I have.

The "common" uses are known - this was a tire recycling facility.
What happened, generally and as I understand it, is that the
equipment was Katrina'ed, but the tires weren't. The owner
apparently thought insurance would replace/repair the equipment, and
on that basis, he kept accepting tires after the storm (there were
tires everywhere, plus cars being wrecked out). When the pile got
too high, the city shut him down and yanked his recycling permit.
There are now some 400-500,000 tires at the site, his insurance
company has not ponied up, and it's become a local issue.
Apparently, there's no effective way to move them to another
(distant) area, and given the on-coming fire and mosquito seasons,
it's an obvious concern. There was a company that had talked about
coming in, but apparently, that fell apart.

There was a business up here in MA that ran into a similar problem about
10-12 years ago. After a zoning change, the owner was told he's have to
remove the tires he'd been collecting for more than a decade because of the
fire hazard, about the same number you mentioned, or go to jail. You would
think with all the claimed uses for ground up old tires he wouldn't have had
a problem with the task, but all the companies interested in the tires
wanted *him* to pay for the hauling and removal. Faced with paying many
hundreds of thousands of dollars he didn't have, he ended up serving time
and losing the business.

I hope the company you mention has better luck.
--
TL,
Tim
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"Tim J."

There was a business up here in MA that ran into a similar problem about
10-12 years ago. After a zoning change, the owner was told he's have to
remove the tires he'd been collecting for more than a decade because of
the fire hazard, about the same number you mentioned, or go to jail.

.. Faced with paying many
hundreds of thousands of dollars he didn't have, he ended up serving time
and losing the business.

whoa, nellie! that would be unconstitutional on more than one basis,
imo. most obviously, the imposition of a criminal penalty against conduct
that was not criminal at the time it was initiated would be a clear
violation of the "ex post facto" clause.

i don't get it. any details on this "prosecution"? news articles? the
guy's name?

yfitons
wayno(not that i don't believe you--i just think there's something missing)

Wayne Harrison typed:
"Tim J."

There was a business up here in MA that ran into a similar problem
about 10-12 years ago. After a zoning change, the owner was told
he's have to remove the tires he'd been collecting for more than a
decade because of the fire hazard, about the same number you
mentioned, or go to jail.

. Faced with paying many
hundreds of thousands of dollars he didn't have, he ended up serving
time and losing the business.

whoa, nellie! that would be unconstitutional on more than one
basis, imo. most obviously, the imposition of a criminal penalty
against conduct that was not criminal at the time it was initiated
would be a clear violation of the "ex post facto" clause.

i don't get it. any details on this "prosecution"? news
articles? the guy's name?

The business name was Trant (Steel? Salvage?) in either Brimfield or Palmer,
MA. George Adams is the resident expert in all things local to Western MA,
so he can probably fill us in.

yfitons
wayno(not that i don't believe you--i just think there's something
missing)

It's probably one of my loose screws that finally fell out. I'm sure there's
probably a LOT more to the story that my memory has omitted. Again, I'd bet
good money Mr. Adams or Mr. Gula could fill us in.

old_guy "Well, that's the way *I* remember it!" \old_guy

Good to see you, BTW.
--
TL,
Tim
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