How much fly line?

wrote:
... MOST
LINES WHICH ARE RATED AT THE SAME
AFTM# AS YOUR ROD WILL NOT MATCH AT ALL!!!!
snip

Must be a European problem. All my fly rods match up just fine
with the flylines of the same weight.

Note to newbies: I would take Mr. Connor's "articles" with a
large measure of salt, anybody who tells you to cast a 6wt or
heavier line on your 3wt has got a screw loose.

--
Ken Fortenberry

On Mar 19, 6:27 pm, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:
wrote:
... MOST
LINES WHICH ARE RATED AT THE SAME
AFTM# AS YOUR ROD WILL NOT MATCH AT ALL!!!!
snip

Must be a European problem. All my fly rods match up just fine
with the flylines of the same weight.

Note to newbies: I would take Mr. Connor's "articles" with a
large measure of salt, anybody who tells you to cast a 6wt or
heavier line on your 3wt has got a screw loose.

--
Ken Fortenberry

60 feet of #3 weight line weighs ~ 200 grains
30 feet of #6 weight line weighs ~ 160 grains
30 feet of #8 weight line weighs ~ 210 grains

You may cast any of these lines at those lengths on a #3 weight rod.
All that happens is that the rod loads sooner with the heavier line,
but as the casting capacity of the rod is not exceeded, it makes no
difference to the rod itself.

Indeed, several top casters tried casting #12 weight lines on # 3
weight rods. The rods felt like noodles with more than a certain
amount of line out, but nothing happened, no rods broke, or were
otherwise damaged, despite those involved trying their hardest.

The actual weight of a line is important, not the AFTM #. The weight
is a factor of the length, and the line size. So in point of fact, you
can cast 90 feet of DT#3 line on a #3 weight, which weighs 300 grains,
or you can just as easily cast 30 feet of #10 weight, which weighs 280
grains.

MC

wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
wrote:
... MOST
LINES WHICH ARE RATED AT THE SAME
AFTM# AS YOUR ROD WILL NOT MATCH AT ALL!!!!
snip
Must be a European problem. All my fly rods match up just fine
with the flylines of the same weight.

Note to newbies: I would take Mr. Connor's "articles" with a
large measure of salt, anybody who tells you to cast a 6wt or
heavier line on your 3wt has got a screw loose.

snip
The actual weight of a line is important, not the AFTM #. The weight
is a factor of the length, and the line size. So in point of fact, you
can cast 90 feet of DT#3 line on a #3 weight, which weighs 300 grains,
or you can just as easily cast 30 feet of #10 weight, which weighs 280
grains.

Like I said, a screw loose and mad as a hatter too.

Your fly fishing pronouncements remind me of nothing more than
the bombast the late George Gehrke used to pitch here. No harm,
no foul I guess, so long as no one actually believes your silly
"theories". I'm tempted to ask why on earth the AFTMA would
deliberately mislead the fly fishing public about line weights
leaving the one and only truth to be discovered and taught to
us mere mortals by the great Mike Connor but I'm afraid you might
actually try to answer. ;-)

--
Ken Fortenberry

On Mar 19, 8:05 pm, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:
wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
wrote:
... MOST
LINES WHICH ARE RATED AT THE SAME
AFTM# AS YOUR ROD WILL NOT MATCH AT ALL!!!!
snip
Must be a European problem. All my fly rods match up just fine
with the flylines of the same weight.

Note to newbies: I would take Mr. Connor's "articles" with a
large measure of salt, anybody who tells you to cast a 6wt or
heavier line on your 3wt has got a screw loose.

snip
The actual weight of a line is important, not the AFTM #. The weight
is a factor of the length, and the line size. So in point of fact, you
can cast 90 feet of DT#3 line on a #3 weight, which weighs 300 grains,
or you can just as easily cast 30 feet of #10 weight, which weighs 280
grains.

Like I said, a screw loose and mad as a hatter too.

Your fly fishing pronouncements remind me of nothing more than
the bombast the late George Gehrke used to pitch here. No harm,
no foul I guess, so long as no one actually believes your silly
"theories". I'm tempted to ask why on earth the AFTMA would
deliberately mislead the fly fishing public about line weights
leaving the one and only truth to be discovered and taught to
us mere mortals by the great Mike Connor but I'm afraid you might
actually try to answer. ;-)

--
Ken Fortenberry

What´s the matter dumbo, can´t you read a simple table?

MC

There are no theories involved, merely the weights given for lines in
the AFTM table.

MC

wrote:
There are no theories involved, merely the weights given for lines in
the AFTM table.

Your theory seems to be that the only thing that matters
is the weight of the flyline, that is since 30 ft. of 10wt
weighs the same as 90 ft. of 3wt then both will cast just
fine on a 3wt fly rod. Which is, of course, hooey.

--
Ken Fortenberry

On Mar 19, 2:00 pm, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:
wrote:
There are no theories involved, merely the weights given for lines in
the AFTM table.

Your theory seems to be that the only thing that matters
is the weight of the flyline, that is since 30 ft. of 10wt
weighs the same as 90 ft. of 3wt then both will cast just
fine on a 3wt fly rod. Which is, of course, hooey.

Why?

Wolfgang

On Mar 19, 9:00 pm, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:
wrote:
There are no theories involved, merely the weights given for lines in
the AFTM table.

Your theory seems to be that the only thing that matters
is the weight of the flyline, that is since 30 ft. of 10wt
weighs the same as 90 ft. of 3wt then both will cast just
fine on a 3wt fly rod. Which is, of course, hooey.

--
Ken Fortenberry

Well now dumbo, it will doubtless be extremely interesting seeing how
you manage to prove that particular bit of idiocy. In point of fact,
most people will find it far easier to cast 30 ft of ten weight, than
90 ft of #3 weight on an accurately rated #3 weight rod. Most will
also be able to cast it a great deal further.

Purely a matter of physics, but of course since you can´t even read a
simple weight table, it is probably beyond you.

Do you even know what keeps a fly line in the air when one is casting?

MC

"Ken Fortenberry" wrote


large measure of salt, anybody who tells you to cast a 6wt or
heavier line on your 3wt has got a screw loose.



Although I agree that Mike's comments might confuse a newbie, I HAVE fished,
successfully and many times, using a 2 wt and a cut down '8wt' shooting
head. Now, obviously ( I think) when you cut most of the 8wt head off what
is left is no longer an '8wt line' ... it is simply a very short 2wt
shooting head.
Backed with Amnesia running line it is somewhat like a spin casting/fly
casting hybrid but gets the fly out there rather well.

I, personally, only used this system years ago on putentake stillwaters
around home here when I silly enough to think I wanted more sense of "fight"
from these sluggish fish. Two weight heads weren't available and a
shooting head is the way to fish stillwaters, imho, 99.874% of the time.
So I experimented starting with a 'retired" 8wt head and it surprised me how
well it worked. The system worked better and was more pleasant to cast (
for me ) than most shot/bobber/weighted nymph/standard line combinations
I've used.

I no longer use the 2wt/8wt marrage because I no longer fish a 2wt
....period. But I still buy 10wt heads and cut them down for my 8wt striper
rod ( balancing to feel, cutting off a little at a time and testing ) and
have fished this 10/8 combo and an 8/8 combo both enough to be able to
declare the shorter head works better for me, most times and situations.

You've mentioned fishing for Pike ( or something new for you, maybe not
Pike ) and shopping for a 9wt .... when you get one ... try cutting back a
11 or 12 head until you feel it balances the rod with a couple feet of
overhang ... it might surprise you how well it tosses a big fly


NOTE: I am a ****poor caster and no expert ... just a guy who "has done
that"