How much fly line?

Larry L wrote:
"Tom Littleton" wrote
... "casting skill" accounts for a VERY small percentage of angling
success. Presentation involves so much more than distance casting or show
casting. Mostly, it involves getting to the sweet spot where the actual
cast is EASY, and avoiding being seen or heard by the fish.

...
Imagine my surprise to find thought of value in these murky depths !!

I post, again having read only 3 or 4 entries in this thread ( I quit
following when I see certain names more than twice in a thread ), only to
say that MY experience is exactly what the quoted passage above says. A
FEW times each year I wish for better casting skills, and even then almost
always better accuracy not distance, I'd kill for better approach and wading
ability and need them every single day of fishing. ...

Well, in Mike's defense he's talking about a whole different ballgame.
I'd imagine when you're standing waist deep in the Baltic casting big
streamers to small sea trout distance is more important than it is in
the kind of fishing me and you Tom usually do. Stealth isn't an issue
and wading ability means being able to stay on your feet when a wave
hits. Not my cup of tea, I prefer little trout streams, but different
strokes ... literally.

--
Ken Fortenberry

On Thu, 22 Mar 2007 16:45:11 GMT, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

Larry L wrote:
"Tom Littleton" wrote
... "casting skill" accounts for a VERY small percentage of angling
success. Presentation involves so much more than distance casting or show
casting. Mostly, it involves getting to the sweet spot where the actual
cast is EASY, and avoiding being seen or heard by the fish.

...
Imagine my surprise to find thought of value in these murky depths !!

I post, again having read only 3 or 4 entries in this thread ( I quit
following when I see certain names more than twice in a thread ), only to
say that MY experience is exactly what the quoted passage above says. A
FEW times each year I wish for better casting skills, and even then almost
always better accuracy not distance, I'd kill for better approach and wading
ability and need them every single day of fishing. ...

Well, in Mike's defense he's talking about a whole different ballgame.
I'd imagine when you're standing waist deep in the Baltic casting big
streamers to small sea trout distance is more important than it is in
the kind of fishing me and you Tom usually do. Stealth isn't an issue
and wading ability means being able to stay on your feet when a wave
hits. Not my cup of tea, I prefer little trout streams, but different
strokes ... literally.

Well, a large percentage of the FFing down on the Gulf Coast involves
standing waist-deep in water, flats fishing, or otherwise "distance
casting" in the context of fishing, and none of what I've seen from his
lairdship (I've not read ALL of it) is particularly applicable to much
of anything or even correct. I can assure one and all that one can
successfully fish for any species, any place, by simply matching line
weight to rod marked weight. Sure, shooting heads/lines have there
place in fishing, but even there, simply "matching labels" will work for
anyone, anywhere, for any quarry.

I suspect Mike has gotten on some tournament kick and/or otherwise
thinks he is some real innovator, but he simply doesn't appear to know
WTF he is talking about. And I readily invite anyone still reading to
do as much research on the subject as they wish. I'd start by looking
at what those with a vested interest in selling more stuff have already
spent many years doing. IOW, look at what the various line companies
offer, both in information and product.

TC,
R

wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Larry L wrote:
"Tom Littleton" wrote
... "casting skill" accounts for a VERY small percentage of angling
success. Presentation involves so much more than distance casting or show
casting. Mostly, it involves getting to the sweet spot where the actual
cast is EASY, and avoiding being seen or heard by the fish.
...
Imagine my surprise to find thought of value in these murky depths !!

I post, again having read only 3 or 4 entries in this thread ( I quit
following when I see certain names more than twice in a thread ), only to
say that MY experience is exactly what the quoted passage above says. A
FEW times each year I wish for better casting skills, and even then almost
always better accuracy not distance, I'd kill for better approach and wading
ability and need them every single day of fishing. ...

Well, in Mike's defense he's talking about a whole different ballgame.
I'd imagine when you're standing waist deep in the Baltic casting big
streamers to small sea trout distance is more important than it is in
the kind of fishing me and you Tom usually do. Stealth isn't an issue
and wading ability means being able to stay on your feet when a wave
hits. Not my cup of tea, I prefer little trout streams, but different
strokes ... literally.

Well, a large percentage of the FFing down on the Gulf Coast involves
standing waist-deep in water, flats fishing, or otherwise "distance
casting" in the context of fishing, and none of what I've seen from his
lairdship (I've not read ALL of it) is particularly applicable to much
of anything or even correct. I can assure one and all that one can
successfully fish for any species, any place, by simply matching line
weight to rod marked weight. Sure, shooting heads/lines have there
place in fishing, but even there, simply "matching labels" will work for
anyone, anywhere, for any quarry.

Oh yeah, I agree, His Royal Mikeness is as much full of **** as full
of himself and his "theories" are laughable, I'm just saying distance
can be a more important element of "presentation" in some situations.

I suspect Mike has gotten on some tournament kick and/or otherwise
thinks he is some real innovator, but he simply doesn't appear to know
WTF he is talking about. And I readily invite anyone still reading to
do as much research on the subject as they wish. I'd start by looking
at what those with a vested interest in selling more stuff have already
spent many years doing. IOW, look at what the various line companies
offer, both in information and product.

I suspect he's just an opinionated iconoclast, basically harmless
and easily dismissed as a loony.

--
Ken Fortenberry

On Thu, 22 Mar 2007 17:38:10 GMT, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Larry L wrote:
"Tom Littleton" wrote
... "casting skill" accounts for a VERY small percentage of angling
success. Presentation involves so much more than distance casting or show
casting. Mostly, it involves getting to the sweet spot where the actual
cast is EASY, and avoiding being seen or heard by the fish.
...
Imagine my surprise to find thought of value in these murky depths !!

I post, again having read only 3 or 4 entries in this thread ( I quit
following when I see certain names more than twice in a thread ), only to
say that MY experience is exactly what the quoted passage above says. A
FEW times each year I wish for better casting skills, and even then almost
always better accuracy not distance, I'd kill for better approach and wading
ability and need them every single day of fishing. ...

Well, in Mike's defense he's talking about a whole different ballgame.
I'd imagine when you're standing waist deep in the Baltic casting big
streamers to small sea trout distance is more important than it is in
the kind of fishing me and you Tom usually do. Stealth isn't an issue
and wading ability means being able to stay on your feet when a wave
hits. Not my cup of tea, I prefer little trout streams, but different
strokes ... literally.

Well, a large percentage of the FFing down on the Gulf Coast involves
standing waist-deep in water, flats fishing, or otherwise "distance
casting" in the context of fishing, and none of what I've seen from his
lairdship (I've not read ALL of it) is particularly applicable to much
of anything or even correct. I can assure one and all that one can
successfully fish for any species, any place, by simply matching line
weight to rod marked weight. Sure, shooting heads/lines have there
place in fishing, but even there, simply "matching labels" will work for
anyone, anywhere, for any quarry.

Oh yeah, I agree, His Royal Mikeness is as much full of **** as full
of himself and his "theories" are laughable, I'm just saying distance
can be a more important element of "presentation" in some situations.

It can be, but "real distance" to a fisher is "don't even bother showing
up" in a (absolute) distance tournament. Fishing distances, even
extreme ones (in a fishing context) are readily reachable by standard,
off-the-shelf stuff from any number of places - match up labels/weights
and get after it. Tournament distances and those games are strenuous
things and the distances reached are reached with specialized equipment
that has no (real) use in fishing (even the "Angling distance" game
isn't really like fishing for most, but it's closer). Heck, even if you
_could_ use it fishing, only loons would _choose_ to. You'd have more
fun digging a 10-foot deep, 10-foot around hole in hard ground with a
old miner's pick.

TC,
R