Fly Patterns: East vs. West

Tom Nakashima wrote:
"Larry L" wrote:

"Refusals" ... i.e.
the fish clearly looks and considers but doesn't eat, are probably pattern
problems, but not always.

For me, "refusal" is if the fish takes the fly then immediately ejects it.
And I've seen it happen within tenths of a second.

First time I've heard that definition. I've always thought of a
"refusal" in Larry's sense.

- JR

Tom Nakashima wrote:

For me, "refusal" is if the fish takes the fly then immediately ejects it.
And I've seen it happen within tenths of a second.
A few times it's hard to distinguish between a missed strike and a refusal.
fwiw,
-tom

For me, a refusal is when a fish -- usually an actively feeding one --
comes to the surface, inspects the fly, and decides "Uh uh, I'm not
eating that."

If a fish take the fly and then ejects it, I'd call that a missed strike.

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Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

On Mar 26, 5:57 pm, rw wrote:
Tom Nakashima wrote:

For me, "refusal" is if the fish takes the fly then immediately ejects it.
And I've seen it happen within tenths of a second.
A few times it's hard to distinguish between a missed strike and a refusal.
fwiw,
-tom

For me, a refusal is when a fish -- usually an actively feeding one --
comes to the surface, inspects the fly, and decides "Uh uh, I'm not
eating that."

If a fish take the fly and then ejects it, I'd call that a missed strike.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

absolutely.

yfitons
wayno

rw wrote:

the truth about refusals, snipped

So, how was the Mexico trip?

- JR

On 26 Mar 2007 15:23:13 -0700, "
wrote:

On Mar 26, 5:57 pm, rw wrote:
Tom Nakashima wrote:

For me, "refusal" is if the fish takes the fly then immediately ejects it.
And I've seen it happen within tenths of a second.
A few times it's hard to distinguish between a missed strike and a refusal.
fwiw,
-tom

For me, a refusal is when a fish -- usually an actively feeding one --
comes to the surface, inspects the fly, and decides "Uh uh, I'm not
eating that."

If a fish take the fly and then ejects it, I'd call that a missed strike.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

absolutely.

yfitons
wayno

Same here...

/daytripper (Eureka! Something we can (almost) agree on :-)

"Tom Nakashima" wrote in message
...

For me, "refusal" is if the fish takes the fly then immediately ejects it.
And I've seen it happen within tenths of a second.
A few times it's hard to distinguish between a missed strike and a
refusal.

No, that's the fish putting your fly in the killfile, or you being too slow
to set the hook.

"Larry L" wrote in message
...
Truly "selective" feeding is rare. I spend the season trying to find it
as
I enjoy that type fishing above all others and it ain't that easy to come
by.

come to Penn's, Larry. I think you will find selective feeding to be the
rule. These trout seldom are put off by clumsy casts for more than a few
minutes when food is plentiful(and it often is from April-June), and will
feed within a few feet of active anglers, bringing new meaning to the
concept of mockery by trout.
Tom

Tom Nakashima wrote:
"Larry L" wrote in message news:7mTNh.194986


"Refusals" ... i.e.
the fish clearly looks and considers but doesn't eat, are probably pattern
problems, but not always.


Larry,
if you could read the mind of a fish I envy you.

For me, "refusal" is if the fish takes the fly then immediately ejects it.
And I've seen it happen within tenths of a second.
A few times it's hard to distinguish between a missed strike and a refusal.
fwiw,
-tom



for me...a refusal is anytime the fish takes a look, or follows the fly,
or otherwise takes a pass at it, without taking it. if a fish takes the
fly, he takes it...that's not a refusal in my opinion. i've just failed
to set the hook.

"jeff" wrote in message
...
..that's not a refusal in my opinion. i've just failed to set the hook.

Why am I thinking about Roger O, while reading this thread?
Tom

"Danl" danlfinn@*remove this*intergate.com wrote in message
...

So, care to share your pattern recipes? I'd be beholden to you.

All of them, are specific patterns? I don't think I tie anything *special*
except I am a clumsy oaf with my fingers and often use elk, moose, or deer
hairs instead of feathers for tail materials when the recipe calls for
sparce or split tails.