Tying in sunlight

On 28 Mar 2007 23:58:11 GMT, Scott Seidman
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sseidman wrote
I haven't heard any Ott complaints, and certainly never experienced
any.

If I may, what makes these bulbs any "better" than any other such
K-range bulbs? IOW, why are these "better" than another 5500K (or
xxxxK, apples to apples) bulb?

TC,
R



I don't know about better or worse, but there are differences: the ott
is flourescent, and the solux is an incandescent bulb, or at least looks
like one, so is likely easier to package in a variety of assorted ways.
Solux claims, and I believe (http://www.solux.net/Ott_lite.htm), that it
has a spectrum closer to daylight than Ott-light. Whether this makes a
difference to fly tiers, I don't know.

A big plus for Solux, though, is that they are a local Rochester company,
and the head guy is working on a project with some of our undergrads.
Seems to be a nice guy, a hard worker, and generous with his time for the
undergrads. I'd probably buy a Solux today if I needed another lamp, and
go out of my way to do it if I needed to, but not because I have a real
problem with Ott reliability.

A big plus for the Ott, by the way, is that Joanne's Fabrics sells them,
thus if you join the Joanne club, and wait till you get the coupon book
mailed to you, as they will periodically do, you can get an Ott lite at
40% or 50% off!

Oops...I don't mean the _fixture_, I mean the lamp/bulb. I understand
one is CFL and one is halogen, but Solux seems to tell you what the bulb
actually is, whereas OTT doesn't. Solux gives color temp, etc., OTT
didn't seem to.

The Solux lamp/bulb will fit into a standard old Home Depot/Lowes "low
voltage"/MR-16 fixure (about 15.00 USD or so). I have them on boats (if
you saw the thread with Larry, myself, etc. on solar systems, I talked
about them) as aux lighting, galley lighting, chart lighting, etc. If
you want to use them with 120vac, keep the transformer attached, if
12vdc, wire without the transformer.

IAC, Google "5100K compact fluorescent" and you oughta find plenty CFLs,
and Google "full spectrum MR-16" and you'll get lots of halogens.

And I'm still interested in opinions as to why OTT or Solux are "better"
- they may be, but I can't find anything that would convince me they are
- it all seems to be salespitch.

TC,
R

wrote in news:834m035ca8khg0dcvaickl9p0vq9lepeqs@
4ax.com:

And I'm still interested in opinions as to why OTT or Solux are "better"
- they may be, but I can't find anything that would convince me they are
- it all seems to be salespitch.


Are you wondering about "better than a standard task light", "better than a
standard CFL", or such? Try http://www.solux.net/comparison.htm, and they
have a pretty good comparison. The standard solux uses is basically a
spectral comparison to daylight, and they claim they're better than the
products they compare too, which seem pretty representative.

So far as "is it better to use a light source that's close to daylight?"
who really knows? They try to address some of this stuff in the solux faq,
http://www.solux.net/faq.htm, but its still somewhat subjective.

I find my ott to be pretty convenient and portable, and I got it at a
reasonable price. I most definitely prefer to tie with it instead of with
ambient light, or even with "standard" flourescent task lights like the one
in my circular magnifier.


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Scott
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reasonable price. I most definitely prefer to tie with it instead of with
ambient light, or even with "standard" flourescent task lights like the
one
in my circular magnifier.




Absolutely ... I have a couple "free to good home" circular magnifiers
around here someplace, I never use em ..want em?


oh, and MY "better" was simply that the Solux seemed closer to natural light
.... ( that is the ads make it seem thus ... but then I really want one of
those "self casting submarine parts" fly rods too ... me be a sucker )


but, NOTE: I'm trying to find a WHITE aquarium net ( BRF used to sell em,
but not last year ) although I have a perfectly good GREEN one .... why?
because I find bugs caught in the green net take on it's color in my view of
them ... i.e. the net's color makes color evaluation difficult

There, I'm out of the closet ... I'm a color guy, ..... pathetic, I know,
but true And damnit, I simply don't care if Mr Trout sees color the same
as me, it's part of what I want "to say" when I "sculpt" a bug impression
G


Did van Gogh or Claude Monet care if you see color the same as them? I bet
not G

On Thu, 29 Mar 2007 00:59:50 GMT, "Larry L"
wrote:


"Scott Seidman" wrote



reasonable price. I most definitely prefer to tie with it instead of with
ambient light, or even with "standard" flourescent task lights like the
one
in my circular magnifier.




Absolutely ... I have a couple "free to good home" circular magnifiers
around here someplace, I never use em ..want em?

Before you trash 'em, you might wish to check and see if tubes (bulbs)
more to your liking are available. I checked a couple of our CFLs, and
found what I expected - they aren't OTT, which I knew, but they are
5500K, etc., etc., and were about 5-6USD each.


oh, and MY "better" was simply that the Solux seemed closer to natural light
... ( that is the ads make it seem thus ... but then I really want one of
those "self casting submarine parts" fly rods too ... me be a sucker )

"Natural light," as a term used by itself, is somewhat hard to pin down
as such - are we talking dawn in Mexico City, noon on the Gulf of
Mexico, or midnight on the floor of a rain forest? Google up color
temperature of "daylight" and I think you'll find some info. If you
mean, generally, pretty close to daylight/sunlight, look for something
"full spectrum." But also keep the "brightness" in mind. I don't think
you'd be too comfortable tying under an arc light or a big ol' PAR64 can
with a 1000 watter in it (picture a stage light).

Something else, what about the "color" (blue, green, etc.) - I don't
find it easier, but some swear by those colored "gel" sheets for reading
because, IIRC, of the change in contrast from black type on white paper.
Supposedly (and I say "supposedly" because I don't know much about it,
not because I doubt its veracity) some folks are really helped by
differing colors of light, so either a true lamp gel or a colored lamp
might help, but ???

TC,
R

On 29 Mar 2007 00:33:33 GMT, Scott Seidman
wrote:

wrote in news:834m035ca8khg0dcvaickl9p0vq9lepeqs@
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And I'm still interested in opinions as to why OTT or Solux are "better"
- they may be, but I can't find anything that would convince me they are
- it all seems to be salespitch.

First, I'm not talking about "lamps" in the sense of the fixture, the
thing that you put the "bulb" into, I'm talking about the "lamp" in the
sense of the "bulb" itself.

Are you wondering about "better than a standard task light", "better than a
standard CFL", or such? Try http://www.solux.net/comparison.htm, and they
have a pretty good comparison. The standard solux uses is basically a
spectral comparison to daylight, and they claim they're better than the
products they compare too, which seem pretty representative.

Thanks for that, but what I'm wondering is what, if anything, makes an
OTT "bulb" better than any other CFL with what would seem to be the same
specs (I say "seem" because I didn't see any real specs on the OTT
"bulb"). Look at the comparison of the Solux to the Osram and the OTT -
the Osram and the OTT seem pretty close. If that's the case, then the
OTT isn't any "better" than a 10-12.00USD CFL. As to the Solux, it
appears it is a pretty good "bulb" at a more-or-less reasonable price,
pretty much in line with other such lamps, er, "bulbs."

So far as "is it better to use a light source that's close to daylight?"
who really knows?

And it would depend on what you wish to light, and how.

TC,
R