R L Winston Fly Rods

Is anyone familiar with R L Winston Fly Rods? I'm an Illustrator and
I specialize in Sportfishing Art. An ad company has offered me a
trade in return for some new artwork. (funny how few people have any
real $$ to offer in the ad business). I've done a lot of fishing but
never taken up fly fishing. Any review or opions of their rods would
be appreciated. Apparently it's their new Boron IIx Sal****er Series,
they are offering (3) as well as $$. Thanks www.chartworksart.com

On Mar 30, 8:08 am, "Chartworksart"
wrote:
Is anyone familiar with R L Winston Fly Rods? I'm an Illustrator and
I specialize in Sportfishing Art. An ad company has offered me a
trade in return for some new artwork. (funny how few people have any
real $$ to offer in the ad business). I've done a lot of fishing but
never taken up fly fishing. Any review or opions of their rods would
be appreciated. Apparently it's their new Boron IIx Sal****er Series,
they are offering (3) as well as $$. Thanks www.chartworksart.com

Well, if you're living in Nebraska, I'd pass. If you're on the coast,
grab all three. Check their selling price on Ebay and see if the
value makes up for your work. They are nice rods (I've casted them,
but don't own one). Very fast. Also, look at your time. You get
into serious fly fishing in the salt and you'll be using your artwork
to support your habit. Gotta buy lines, reels, a boat, flies,
beer, .... more beer.... Vicious descending spiral, that.
Frank Reid

On Mar 30, 8:08 am, "Chartworksart"
wrote:
Is anyone familiar with R L Winston Fly Rods? I'm an Illustrator and
I specialize in Sportfishing Art. An ad company has offered me a
trade in return for some new artwork. (funny how few people have any
real $$ to offer in the ad business). I've done a lot of fishing but
never taken up fly fishing. Any review or opions of their rods would
be appreciated. Apparently it's their new Boron IIx Sal****er Series,
they are offering (3) as well as $$. Thanks www.chartworksart.com

By the way, I've seen your artwork before. Awesome stuff.
Frank Reid

On Mar 30, 7:08 am, "Chartworksart"
wrote:
Is anyone familiar with R L Winston Fly Rods? I'm an Illustrator and
I specialize in Sportfishing Art. An ad company has offered me a
trade in return for some new artwork. (funny how few people have any
real $$ to offer in the ad business). I've done a lot of fishing but
never taken up fly fishing. Any review or opions of their rods would
be appreciated. Apparently it's their new Boron IIx Sal****er Series,
they are offering (3) as well as $$. Thanks www.chartworksart.com

Your artwork is fantastic. Top of the line stuff.
Just thought I'd mention though that the html/javascript/css and php
that generates your website does not look so good in Firefox on a Mac,
nor in Safari on Mac. I'll bet it looks just fine in Internet Explorer
on Windows........but that's just a guess. I try hard to live life
without
ever booting a windows machine.

The matrix of thumnail images on your main page (links as an image
map, it looks like)
covers up the text of the page, so I can't read it.

On 30 Mar 2007 06:08:25 -0700, "Chartworksart"
wrote:

Is anyone familiar with R L Winston Fly Rods? I'm an Illustrator and
I specialize in Sportfishing Art. An ad company has offered me a
trade in return for some new artwork. (funny how few people have any
real $$ to offer in the ad business). I've done a lot of fishing but
never taken up fly fishing. Any review or opions of their rods would
be appreciated. Apparently it's their new Boron IIx Sal****er Series,
they are offering (3) as well as $$. Thanks www.chartworksart.com

Heck, you might be able to "rebarter" them...for example, if Wayne
Knight wants another rod...oh, hell, look what I'm saying...Wayne Knight
wants another rod, and if you need some taxes done...just a thought.

IAC, they are decent rods and Winston has a decent reputation, but the
"worth it" is up to you, based on your valuation of the work you'll do
versus the "market value" (or the value to you) of the rods. If you just
want opinions, here's mine: If it'll take you an hour or three in your
spare time, it's worth it. If you'll be slaving for 12 hours a day for
10 days, it isn't worth it.

TC,
R

"Chartworksart" wrote in message
oups.com...
Is anyone familiar with R L Winston Fly Rods? I'm an Illustrator and
I specialize in Sportfishing Art. An ad company has offered me a
trade in return for some new artwork. (funny how few people have any
real $$ to offer in the ad business). I've done a lot of fishing but
never taken up fly fishing. Any review or opions of their rods would
be appreciated. Apparently it's their new Boron IIx Sal****er Series,
they are offering (3) as well as $$. Thanks www.chartworksart.com


My take is that you do professional quality work and to be accepted as a pro
you have to expect to be treated as one.... pros get paid. "Barter" is
only worth it when YOU want the item ( not maybe, sorta, might like, I
hope ) AND suggest the barter ( not let yourself be talked down to it ) AND
the net value you receive is GREATER than what you would charge in cold hard
cash. If nothing else, add the TIME that selling the rods will take to your
calculations of value received.


And Sandy is right, your website has some problems but your art is nice (
I'm on Windows and Forefox and would 'guess" you need to put another div
tag around the text that tells about your biz )

wrote


That makes no sense. IIRC, you are a professional dog trainer (and if
not, the example still holds). Let's say you charge $100USD per hour
for your time and the training Joe Prospect requests will take 2 hours
of your time. If he offers to trade you readily-saleable, legal
merchandise with a market value of $1000USD that'll take you 2 hours to
sell, it wouldn't make good economic sense to refuse. "Pros" look at
the numbers. And why, in your opinion, would the party making the
suggestion make a difference or would the value need to be "GREATER"?


OK some more of my "train of thought" and, yes, largely based on real world
"would ya train Ol Blue in trade fer" experiences.

First, I made some assumptions .... and that is always risky and may
instantly devalue what I say.

Assumption ONE: this lady wants to make her living as an artist
Assumption TWO: her current paying work load is not using up her available
time
Assumption THREE: she has no real desire or use for the rods
Assumption FOUR: and this is the key one AND the most 'iffy" ... she wants
to be PERCEIVED as a pro not as a hobbiest


Given ONLY the first three .... your points are probably valid ... income is
income


BUT, my experience is that, Joe almost never offers a barter that is "fair."
Try this on Joe, "It costs about $4,000 to have Ole Blue trained." Likely
reply, "Oh this English over and under I'm offering you is worth WAY more
than that!" Me again, "Then you should be able to easily sell it for the
4K and pay me in cash." Likely reply, "Ah, Um, ah ... I'm thinking here,
give me a minute." Joe has something he wants to get rid of, not
something he values.

Now a bit of AssFour overlay on this: IF you work for something Joe wants
to get rid of, you deminish your work's value in Joe's eyes ( and very
likely in your own ?) You 'feel' less professional, and he treats you
less professional ... maybe even in his 'word of mouth' about you to
others.

Business that has as it's only 'product' a person and that person's
abilities should have, imho, this attitude. I AM what I sell, and I AM
worth what I charge, you can NOT go to WalMart and get the same thing
cheaper, you can't get the same thing elsewhere..period. To believe in
yourself is a big part of being a true 'pro' when you are the product.

There could be more, but I'm getting bored with the typing ... SO, I'll only
add this .... IME, the people that try to "talk ya down in price" and the
ones always a bit "behind in paying their bills" are both the ones with the
most money and the ones that appreciate your efforts the least. Trying
to build a business you are better off with 6 clients that value your work
and make suggestions that you should raise your fees ( I've had this happen
many times ), than 12 that begrudge paying ... in a year or two you'll be a
whole lot better off.

Oh, I will mention one other thing .... Warren that used to be here offered
to guide me for "a six pack" .... I declined. Why? Not any of the
"Larry is anti-humanity" stuff that might come to mind. I didn't think it
fair to Warren OR his paying customers .... if you want to call yourself a
pro, you gotta act the part .... charge what you are worth, .... and keep
that PT job until you prove you're right in your self assessment. If I
charge Joe "an old gun" to train and Russ, $4K .... Russ has every right to
see me as dishonest to him, yet Russ is the customer I want to cultivate.

On Fri, 30 Mar 2007 17:58:07 GMT, "Larry L"
wrote:


"Chartworksart" wrote in message
roups.com...
Is anyone familiar with R L Winston Fly Rods? I'm an Illustrator and
I specialize in Sportfishing Art. An ad company has offered me a
trade in return for some new artwork. (funny how few people have any
real $$ to offer in the ad business). I've done a lot of fishing but
never taken up fly fishing. Any review or opions of their rods would
be appreciated. Apparently it's their new Boron IIx Sal****er Series,
they are offering (3) as well as $$. Thanks www.chartworksart.com


My take is that you do professional quality work and to be accepted as a pro
you have to expect to be treated as one.... pros get paid. "Barter" is
only worth it when YOU want the item ( not maybe, sorta, might like, I
hope ) AND suggest the barter ( not let yourself be talked down to it ) AND
the net value you receive is GREATER than what you would charge in cold hard
cash.

That makes no sense. IIRC, you are a professional dog trainer (and if
not, the example still holds). Let's say you charge $100USD per hour
for your time and the training Joe Prospect requests will take 2 hours
of your time. If he offers to trade you readily-saleable, legal
merchandise with a market value of $1000USD that'll take you 2 hours to
sell, it wouldn't make good economic sense to refuse. "Pros" look at
the numbers. And why, in your opinion, would the party making the
suggestion make a difference or would the value need to be "GREATER"?

If nothing else, add the TIME that selling the rods will take to your
calculations of value received.

Now with this I agree.

TC,
R

wrote:

Winston doesn't have $3000.00 in the rods.

That's true enough. They have maybe $300 in the rods. Cheapskates.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

On Fri, 30 Mar 2007 19:12:59 GMT, "Larry L"
wrote:


wrote


That makes no sense. IIRC, you are a professional dog trainer (and if
not, the example still holds). Let's say you charge $100USD per hour
for your time and the training Joe Prospect requests will take 2 hours
of your time. If he offers to trade you readily-saleable, legal
merchandise with a market value of $1000USD that'll take you 2 hours to
sell, it wouldn't make good economic sense to refuse. "Pros" look at
the numbers. And why, in your opinion, would the party making the
suggestion make a difference or would the value need to be "GREATER"?


OK some more of my "train of thought" and, yes, largely based on real world
"would ya train Ol Blue in trade fer" experiences.

First, I made some assumptions .... and that is always risky and may
instantly devalue what I say.

Assumption ONE: this lady wants to make her living as an artist
Assumption TWO: her current paying work load is not using up her available
time
Assumption THREE: she has no real desire or use for the rods
Assumption FOUR: and this is the key one AND the most 'iffy" ... she wants
to be PERCEIVED as a pro not as a hobbiest


Given ONLY the first three .... your points are probably valid ... income is
income


BUT, my experience is that, Joe almost never offers a barter that is "fair."
Try this on Joe, "It costs about $4,000 to have Ole Blue trained." Likely
reply, "Oh this English over and under I'm offering you is worth WAY more
than that!" Me again, "Then you should be able to easily sell it for the
4K and pay me in cash." Likely reply, "Ah, Um, ah ... I'm thinking here,
give me a minute." Joe has something he wants to get rid of, not
something he values.

Now a bit of AssFour overlay on this: IF you work for something Joe wants
to get rid of, you deminish your work's value in Joe's eyes ( and very
likely in your own ?) You 'feel' less professional, and he treats you
less professional ... maybe even in his 'word of mouth' about you to
others.

Business that has as it's only 'product' a person and that person's
abilities should have, imho, this attitude. I AM what I sell, and I AM
worth what I charge, you can NOT go to WalMart and get the same thing
cheaper, you can't get the same thing elsewhere..period. To believe in
yourself is a big part of being a true 'pro' when you are the product.

There could be more, but I'm getting bored with the typing ... SO, I'll only
add this .... IME, the people that try to "talk ya down in price" and the
ones always a bit "behind in paying their bills" are both the ones with the
most money and the ones that appreciate your efforts the least. Trying
to build a business you are better off with 6 clients that value your work
and make suggestions that you should raise your fees ( I've had this happen
many times ), than 12 that begrudge paying ... in a year or two you'll be a
whole lot better off.

Oh, I will mention one other thing .... Warren that used to be here offered
to guide me for "a six pack" .... I declined. Why? Not any of the
"Larry is anti-humanity" stuff that might come to mind. I didn't think it
fair to Warren OR his paying customers .... if you want to call yourself a
pro, you gotta act the part .... charge what you are worth, .... and keep
that PT job until you prove you're right in your self assessment. If I
charge Joe "an old gun" to train and Russ, $4K .... Russ has every right to
see me as dishonest to him, yet Russ is the customer I want to cultivate.

All well and good, but in the case of the OP, "Joe" is Winston offering
Winston rods, which 1) have a readily-determinable market value, 2)
willing buyers, and most importantly, 3) Winston, should they wish to do
so and its corporate structure allow, can easily trade rods that the OP
can sell for, to use your number, $4000.00, for artwork/services that
the OP would charge $3000.00 "in cash" (and likely, it would be
something like "net 30," and clients that understand "net 30" to REALLY
mean "net eventually" are rampant in Ad/PR), and everyone can come out a
winner because Winston doesn't have $3000.00 in the rods.

TC,
R