A little "what the pros use" story...

On Fri, 11 May 2007 23:42:14 GMT, "Tom Littleton"
wrote:

You, my man, ARE tough on waders.....I will vouch for you. IIRC, your
Bailey's cost a wee bit less than $400, let alone $700. The cost of the
Simms are ludicrous, and I don't care how tough they are, unless perhaps
bulletpro

Why would anyone buy G7 for $700 when G3s can be had for 400? Seems
like a bad move to me by Simms, even if they do have a fly.

On 11 May 2007 16:00:21 -0700, Flytyer37 wrote:

I own no "Sevile Row" anything, but I have no doubt that anyone would
look just as good in Haggar as they would in anything from good ol'
"Sevile Row"...or Harts, Shaefer, and Marx...

Don't knock HS&M. That stuff looks good and lasts forever.

Yeah, and Rolux and Omayga make some fine watches, too...

....now, if you're talking about Hart, Schaffner & Marx, that's a
different company...they aren't bespoke, but at least they aren't on
"Sevile" Row...

Frank Reid
(oopsy, think I just started another one)

Well, there's always Oxxford...

HTH,
R

On Fri, 11 May 2007 17:34:26 -0400, Dave LaCourse
wrote:

On Fri, 11 May 2007 16:03:13 -0500, wrote:

I own no "Sevile Row" anything, but I have no doubt that anyone would
look just as good in Haggar as they would in anything from good ol'
"Sevile Row".

Oh, golly, excuse me, I left off an l. Seville Row? Is that better.

Oh, much, much...more amusing...

Do they really make 46 portlies at the tailors on Seville Row?

I have no idea.

They must, otherwise you wouldn't shop there.

Well, amongst other reasons...including the biggest reason of all...

Don't wear double breasted,
Richard. It'll make you look *twice* as big as you are. d;o(

If you say so...you're obviously a man who nose klothes...

And yeah, this is still fun.

I'd say it's more amusing for some than others...

If it'll help, you're REALLY unsavilized,
R



d;o)

On Fri, 11 May 2007 23:42:14 GMT, "Tom Littleton"
wrote:


"Flytyer37" wrote in message
roups.com...
Okay, how 'bout this one. I wear Dan Baileys with the lifetime
warrantee. I've been told I'm tough on gear (blew out two sets of new
waders within 3 days of each other). Ended up with the Baileys and
haven't looked back. Comfortable, they wear well, and they've yet to
leak on me.
Frank Reid


You, my man, ARE tough on waders.....I will vouch for you. IIRC, your
Bailey's cost a wee bit less than $400, let alone $700. The cost of the
Simms are ludicrous, and I don't care how tough they are, unless perhaps
bulletproof.


I, proud owner of the same pair of Orvis lightweights for 8 years, and
another no-name brand of breathables for like the past 6 years, figure that
14 years of pretty solid fishing time, for less than $200, left me a lot of
money for other things. As Rick is fond of saying, YMMV.

Yeah, but you're fat, can't ride a bike, and fish for what, an hour a
year or something...if actually fished once in a while, those Orvis
waders would be in tatters before you got your second foot in
them...just check last month's issue of "Brian Keith's Outdoor
Ruggedness" for proof...it's the review right across from the Simms ad -
the one showing Charles Nelson Reilly benchpressing a '73 Buick in his
waders...

TC,
R
Tom

On Fri, 11 May 2007 19:21:43 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 11 May 2007 17:34:26 -0400, Dave LaCourse
wrote:

On Fri, 11 May 2007 16:03:13 -0500, wrote:

I own no "Sevile Row" anything, but I have no doubt that anyone would
look just as good in Haggar as they would in anything from good ol'
"Sevile Row".

Oh, golly, excuse me, I left off an l. Seville Row? Is that better.

Oh, much, much...more amusing...

Do they really make 46 portlies at the tailors on Seville Row?

I have no idea.

They must, otherwise you wouldn't shop there.

Well, amongst other reasons...including the biggest reason of all...

Don't wear double breasted,
Richard. It'll make you look *twice* as big as you are. d;o(

If you say so...you're obviously a man who nose klothes...

And yeah, this is still fun.

I'd say it's more amusing for some than others...

If it'll help, you're REALLY unsavilized,
R


Yeah, but I have more TRs than you. You do fish, don't you?

On Fri, 11 May 2007 18:53:19 -0500, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

There was a time however when you had Orvis everywhere and I would have
been somewhat skeptical of an Orvis endorsement. ;-)

Yes, those were the days of $200 waders for 20 days of fishing. And
in one case, $250 for 3 days. Nothing worse than a catostrophic wader
failure when you're in Labrador. Well, maybe a stick in the eye is
worse, cttoi.

On Fri, 11 May 2007 20:33:21 -0400, Dave LaCourse
wrote:

On Fri, 11 May 2007 19:21:43 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 11 May 2007 17:34:26 -0400, Dave LaCourse
wrote:

On Fri, 11 May 2007 16:03:13 -0500, wrote:

I own no "Sevile Row" anything, but I have no doubt that anyone would
look just as good in Haggar as they would in anything from good ol'
"Sevile Row".

Oh, golly, excuse me, I left off an l. Seville Row? Is that better.

Oh, much, much...more amusing...

Do they really make 46 portlies at the tailors on Seville Row?

I have no idea.

They must, otherwise you wouldn't shop there.

Well, amongst other reasons...including the biggest reason of all...

Don't wear double breasted,
Richard. It'll make you look *twice* as big as you are. d;o(

If you say so...you're obviously a man who nose klothes...

And yeah, this is still fun.

I'd say it's more amusing for some than others...

If it'll help, you're REALLY unsavilized,
R


Yeah, but I have more TRs than you. You do fish, don't you?

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Hey, maybe it'll help, maybe it won't,
R

"Scott Seidman" wrote in message
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Dave LaCourse wrote in
news
On 11 May 2007 22:25:03 GMT, Scott Seidman
wrote:

I know plenty of guides, and held the price sheet from Simms in my own
hot little hands about two years ago. I'm not sure if it was 40% or
50%, but it was one of those. So far as I know, just about every
major manufacturer in the industry, rods, reels, waders, etc., offers
substantial discounts to guides, as each guide is essentially a
walking advertisement.

In fact, the guy who showed me the price list was trying to talk me
into getting a NY guiding license, and pulled out a stack of price
lists to make his argument more compelling.

That may be true for NY, Scott, but as Joe has said, it doesn't really
matter. It is WHAT you get that counts. If Simms does it, I'm
betting that Patagonia, Dan Baily, LLBean, et al do it, and I know
Orvis does it, yet most of the guides I see are using G3s, including
the guides at Orvis lodges. Why? Because the things are so damn
good. Pay 400 bucks for more than 400 days of use. Such a deal.




I'm not disagreeing, Dave, but you seemed rather impressed that the
guides were paying $200 more for the Simms waders rather than buying
heavily discounted Orvis waders. The price difference for the guides
really isn't that big. Yeah, Simms does make really good waders, and to
many folks, the extra money is money well spent.

I don't suppose there's a GOOD place to inject the observation that price,
performance and durability are not the only possible explanations for high
demand for a particular piece of consumer goods among a particular subset of
the population, so I'll just do it here.

A GOOD guide will tell me where the fish are and what they want to eat.
Then, he or she will shut the **** up and sit on his or her well-tailored
ass and become VERY silent, invisible.....and immobile. In short, a GOOD
guide can probably find a way to make Simms G3 waders last just about as
long as my eight year old unpatched $60 Hodgman whateverthe****s.

In any case, a guide's livelihood doesn't depend on good waders. It depends
on good service. Well, actually, it depends on convincing the sport that
good service was rendered.....which amounts to roughly the same thing. So,
why do the majority of guides were Simms waders (assuming, against one's
better judgment, that this is in fact the case)? Who knows? Who ****ing
cares? The bottom line is this: anyone who can't make a set of waders last
for several years and is concerned about it should give up whatever costly
and undoubtedly dangerous activity he or she is engaged in and take up
something gentler and more contemplative......like, fishing, for example.

Wolfgang
i mean, good god, people!

"Dave LaCourse" wrote in message
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On Fri, 11 May 2007 16:26:25 -0500, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

Dave LaCourse wrote:
Forgot to add that the April issue of Fly Rod & Reel has this to say
about the Simms G3s:

".......This is top-of-the-line stuff - possible the best waders that
have been made to date -for anglers whose gear sees unremitting use
you know, Richard, 400 days in 4 years! and who'd rather pay top
dollar once than buy new waders every year or two."

Buy new waders every year or two? Sounds familiar. Could be because
they have been patched so many times that a new pair is necessary, or
the person is tired of getting wet and cold. Yeah, I can understand
that.

Gee, that do sound like one of dem dare endorsement thingies.

d;o)

If I spent over 100 grand a year buying advertising space in their
magazine like Simms does _Fly Rod & Reel_ would lay one of dem dare
endorsement thingies on my beer farts. "For anglers who demand the
very best, possibly the best beer farts ever cut." LOL !!

That's not to say they aren't good waders, (or beer farts ;-), just
that an "endorsement" from a fly fishing rag ain't worth the paper
it's written on.

You're just jealous because Bud farts don't smell as good as Sleman
farts.

They gave Cabela's, Patagonia, and William Joseph good reviews and
they all advertise in the magazine (full page). However, there is NO
Simms ad. One other wader manufacturer, Rivendell, advertises but
didn't get a write-up. They are supposed to have "new for 2007 -
zippered breathable waders."

However, the latest issue has a full page ad by Simms, but so does
Reddington and they didn't review Reddington's waders. Hodgman has a
1/3 page ad with no review. Hmm.

They do have an ad by Winston which I consider the best rod on the
market. New thread material. What is the best off-the-shelf fly rod?
And I bet it's not made on Seville Row, or Sevile Row for that matter.
Just checked - there *is* a Sevile Row. Imagine that?

I just checked. The only rod on the shelf was made by Joel Axelrad. Damned
fine rod. Caught fish with it just five days ago. Would certainly have
done so again today.....if I had used it.....and will undoubtedly do so
again when next I unsheathe it in less than a week. If anyone has a rod
that will do better than that.....well, he's a liar.

It has been said that the unexamined life is not worth living. It does not
follow as implicit that taking a good long hard look in the mirror should be
taken as sufficient cause for you guys to refrain from eating a bullet.

Morons.

Wolfgang
o.k., yeah, i'm a bit testy this evening. all this philosophy has
distracted me from a long and achingly anticipated musing on the best knot
for attaching fly line to leader.

Wolfgang wrote:

In any case, a guide's livelihood doesn't depend on good waders. It depends
on good service. Well, actually, it depends on convincing the sport that
good service was rendered.....which amounts to roughly the same thing. So,
why do the majority of guides were Simms waders (assuming, against one's
better judgment, that this is in fact the case)? Who knows? Who ****ing
cares?

Wolfgang
i mean, good god, people!



I guide, on occasion. I usually wade wet in the summer, so don;t usually
wear wades when guiding. I still get guide prices on waders (just bought
a pair, in fact). I doubt any of my clients will see them. Still, they
are nice waders, and I was happy to accept the discount. I also get
guide pricing on reels and rods. Clients rarely see those either. Still,
I like the discount. Why do I get the discounts? Don't know, don't care.
I also don't think most of the people I take fishing care either.
Can;tr imagine why any of them would. They seem to care moire about what
I have to tell them about catching fish.

Tim Lysyk