Put and Kill -so disgusting

Steve,
Most of California's lakes and streams are capable of natural reproduction.
The ones that aren't are usually because man screwed them up with logging,
mining, damming, and overgrazing.
The Department of Fish and Game spends a huge percentage of their budget
on fish hatcheries, but they should be restoring the habitat. There are
miles and miles of mountain streams where cattle, sheep and horses have
overgrazed the National Forests and trampled the streams into mud, yet
nothing is done about it. It wouldn't be difficult or expensive to install
electric fences powered by solar batteries to keep the livestock back.from
the edges of the streams.
There is a stream in Northern California named Yellow Creek by Lake
Almanor. I went there and found a shallow stream with small trout. They
did an experiment where they fenced the cattle back. I went there again
three years after the installation and found a deep clear cold running
stream full of big natural trout. There were waist high wild flowers along
the stream. It was a joy to see.
For some reason our nearsighted Fish and Game and National Forest Service
can't see the advantage of having clear running streams with stable banks
and clean water with natural reproducing fish. It would beat the hell out
of fishing for finless rubber hatchery trout.
Ernie


slenon" wrote in message
I'd be curious to know the exact number of states which have naturally
reproducing trout populations. Of that number, how many had to have trout
introduced into them to establish that population?
Stev Lenon 91B20 '68-'69

For some reason our nearsighted Fish and Game and National Forest Service
can't see the advantage of having clear running streams with stable banks
and clean water with natural reproducing fish. It would beat the hell out
of fishing for finless rubber hatchery trout.
Ernie

I whole-heartedly agree with you. Cattle do not make good foresters. I'd
love to see more land protected and kept wild.

Not to play devil's advocate, really curious, do you think CA could manage a
trout fishery that would meet the needs of its populace without using some
hatchery stocking procedures?

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Stev Lenon 91B20 '68-'69
Drowning flies to Darkstar

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Steve,
If they only planted hatchery fish in waters that couldn't reproduce, used
catch and release in waters that could, kept livestock back from the
streams, stopped loggers from destroying the habitat, kept mining under
control, stopped pollution and restricted water projects from taking the
water needed for the fisheries, this state would be one great fishing
statye.
Ernie

"slenon" wrote
Not to play devil's advocate, really curious, do you think CA could manage
a
trout fishery that would meet the needs of its populace without using some
hatchery stocking procedures?
Stev Lenon 91B20 '68-'69

If they only planted hatchery fish in waters that couldn't reproduce, used
catch and release in waters that could, kept livestock back from the
streams, stopped loggers from destroying the habitat, kept mining under
control, stopped pollution and restricted water projects from taking the
water needed for the fisheries, this state would be one great fishing
statye.
Ernie

I agree. Now what do you plan to do with all the people who live there?

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Stev Lenon 91B20 '68-'69
Drowning flies to Darkstar

http://web.tampabay.rr.com/stevglo/i...age92kword.htm

"Ernie" wrote in message
y.com...

.....For some reason our nearsighted Fish and Game and National Forest
Service
can't see the advantage of having clear running streams with stable banks
and clean water with natural reproducing fish......

The problem goes well beyond the auspices of a few federal or state
agencies, all the way back to the institution of a form of government that
allows the putative elected representatives of ranchers, loggers, miners,
professional guides, and sundry other multi-generational welfare parasites
to have a voice equal to (and all too often greater than) that of rational
human beings. It ain't gonna go away soon......or, not without some much
needed bloodshed, anyway.

Wolfgang
but hell, that ain't ****....just wait till the water wars start!

Ernie wrote:

Steve,
Most of California's lakes and streams are capable of natural reproduction.
The ones that aren't are usually because man screwed them up with logging,
mining, damming, and overgrazing.
The Department of Fish and Game spends a huge percentage of their budget
on fish hatcheries, but they should be restoring the habitat.

In Colorado, a positive aspect to the introduction of whirling disease
was the end of stocking catchables in streams and rivers. "All" the
hatcheries were infected with WD and they decided to halt stocking in
streams and rivers with natural reproduction.

Now that they have clean hatcheries again, they have started stocking
some streams and rivers, but the numbers are WAY down. Charlie W. and I
have talked about this and we both feeling that fish populations (and
the quality of fish) have increased when stocking halted. I hope our DOW
doesn't go back to their old ways.

Willi

Willi,
Now is your chance to get them to spend the money on improving habitat
instead of spending it on hatcheries.
Montana studies show that stocking hatchery trout will reduce the overall
number of stocked and non stocked trout that will live in the stream.
California Fish & Game is too dense to accept this, but perhaps Colorado DOW
will.
I would like to see an electric fence unit which ran on solar cells. It
should have a built in radio transmitter that would transmit an occasional
coded radio signal to show that the unit was operating ok, or was in trouble
(line went open, became grounded, had low batteries). This would alert
someone to come and fix it. The unit should be maintenance free and easily
replaced.
One man with a Jeep and pulling a trailer full of wire and metal fence
posts could easily set the posts, string the wire and install the units. Two
strands of barbed wire should be about right. Livestock should be kept
fifty feet from the stream. This would let the banks stabilize, improve
water quality, and provide good habitat for fish and small game.
Ernie

"Willi" wrote in message
...
In Colorado, a positive aspect to the introduction of whirling disease
was the end of stocking catchables in streams and rivers. "All" the
hatcheries were infected with WD and they decided to halt stocking in
streams and rivers with natural reproduction.

Now that they have clean hatcheries again, they have started stocking
some streams and rivers, but the numbers are WAY down. Charlie W. and I
have talked about this and we both feeling that fish populations (and
the quality of fish) have increased when stocking halted. I hope our DOW
doesn't go back to their old ways.
Willi

Ernie wrote:


For some reason our nearsighted Fish and Game and National Forest Service
can't see the advantage of having clear running streams with stable banks
and clean water with natural reproducing fish. It would beat the hell out
of fishing for finless rubber hatchery trout.
Ernie

Montana's division of wildlife did a series of studies on the effects of
stocking catchable trout in rivers with populations of naturally
reproducing fish. They found that stocking "catchables" actually reduced
the overall fish carrying capacity of the sections of rivers they studied.

Willi